psionic weapon/psionic meditation [Archive] - Wizards Community

psionic weapon/psionic meditation [Archive] - Wizards Community

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dnddreamer
03-10-07, 12:23 AM Is the method of use Psionic Weapon (or Greater Psionic Weapon) with Psionic Meditation a good attack option for melee focused psionic classes? With a long sword...your basically doing 1d8+4d6(w/GPW) plus strength modifiers each round. Or is it better to jack up your attack modifier and use Power Attack with a two-handed weapon?

Or is there a better why to do damage each round with your weapon psionically?
runestar
03-10-07, 12:38 AM Deep impact + power attack all the way.:)
dnddreamer
03-10-07, 07:19 AM Deep impact + power attack all the way.:)

but also with that combo your still only getting one attack each round if you have to use your move action to refocus your Psionic Focus.
Fargren
03-10-07, 08:00 AM Bassically it depnds on how much damge do your attacks do, and how many of them do you have. If you have a lot of attacks and/or you have a few(but more than one) that deal a lot of damage, then it's better to make a full attack. If the damage you deal if all your attacks hit is close to the damage you deal with one psionic weapon attack, then is a chioce between power and consistency: one very powerfull attack, or many smalll ones.
QuarianRex
03-10-07, 11:40 PM It also depends on what your actual class is as well. If you are a class from the TOB then most of your maneuvers will be standard actions and deep impact will give you something to do with your left over move actions.
kelvinaw273
03-11-07, 12:11 AM I considered this from the point of view of a monk with the Psionic Fist feat tree. Against an attacker with high AC, using Unavaoidable Attack may be the only way you can score damage at all. Against an attacker with a high damage resistance, you use Greater Psionic Fist for the same reason (or possibly Aligned Attack). But against anything else using ordinary Flurry of Blows was more effective. Great for those particular occasions, but not a method of running every fight.
runestar
03-11-07, 12:37 AM but also with that combo your still only getting one attack each round if you have to use your move action to refocus your Psionic Focus.
How different is this from your combo? Since you are only getting 1 attack/round, might as well maximize the damage it deals...
dnddreamer
03-12-07, 12:40 AM How different is this from your combo? Since you are only getting 1 attack/round, might as well maximize the damage it deals...

I'm sorry...that's is what I meant. That both combo are the same 1 attack a round.

I guess what I'm fishing for is what you guys use for a psionic melee focused character like what kelvinaw273 gave in example of above.
TheMagister
03-12-07, 10:45 AM Dealing 60+ points of damage/round with deep impact + power attack is pretty good.

When you throw in the leap attack-type feats, it outpaces full attacking pretty quickly.

I always figured on taking a fighter/psywar build up to 20th or so level.

With all those bonus feats, it's conceivable to have the power attack/leap attack tree, the spring attack tree, and the deep impact tree.

That's a lot of pain for relatively little risk.

Personally, (if you took the psicrystal containment feat) I don't recommend "wasting" a focus on GPW. I'd rather be expanded and use the extra one on a deep impact/power attack/stand still AoO. Sit. Stay.

Just my 2cp.
dnddreamer
03-12-07, 11:59 AM Dealing 60+ points of damage/round with deep impact + power attack is pretty good.

So...say a PsiWarr at 20th level with a 24STR

Weapon (Greatsword): 2d6
Magical Weapon: +5
Strength damage: +9
Power Attack (15): +30
14PP Prescience, Offensive: +6

That's 2d6+50 with a Attack Bonus of +11 (+12 WF Greatsword).

Did I miss anything in there?

I know that you can up that Attack bonus to +16 with a 14PP Precognition (Offensive) and also get another point of damage and another +1d6 onto the greatsword with Expansion. +16 Attack with a touch attack is cool...but we talking about 20th level here.

What about Midlevel (10th)...there is no why to do that type of damage at that level...is there?...possibly 2d6+26ish?
Psyrus
03-12-07, 01:24 PM A Deep Crystal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/specialMaterials.htm#crystalDeep) weapon may come in handy as well. Spending 2psp as a free action to do an extra +2d6 damage is a nice option. It'll stack with Psionic Weapon damage too.
dnddreamer
03-12-07, 04:11 PM A Deep Crystal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/specialMaterials.htm#crystalDeep) weapon may come in handy as well. Spending 2psp as a free action to do an extra +2d6 damage is a nice option. It'll stack with Psionic Weapon damage too.

I don't have my books with me right now...but can you charge the deep crystal weapon with 2PP as a free action and also expend your PsiFocus during the same round. Something in the back of my mind is also telling me that a Deep Crystal weapon stays charged for 1 minute or until it is expelled through the hit. I'm I correct on that?
PrinceCurtis
03-12-07, 04:24 PM It also depends on what your actual class is as well. If you are a class from the TOB then most of your maneuvers will be standard actions and deep impact will give you something to do with your left over move actions.

if you talking ToB, there's also a feat that let's you gain you psionic focus as a swift action (or is move....) after a manuever 3 times a day.....
TheMagister
03-12-07, 04:55 PM So...say a PsiWarr at 20th level with a 24STR

Weapon (Greatsword): 2d6
Magical Weapon: +5
Strength damage: +9
Power Attack (15): +30
14PP Prescience, Offensive: +6

That's 2d6+50 with a Attack Bonus of +11 (+12 WF Greatsword).

Did I miss anything in there?

I know that you can up that Attack bonus to +16 with a 14PP Precognition (Offensive) and also get another point of damage and another +1d6 onto the greatsword with Expansion. +16 Attack with a touch attack is cool...but we talking about 20th level here.

What about Midlevel (10th)...there is no why to do that type of damage at that level...is there?...possibly 2d6+26ish?

I'm sorry, I thought I was relating the combination of Leap Attack and Deep Impact+Power Attack.

Expansion takes you up to huge w/a 7 pp expenditure: you can get larger than large, if you get my meaning.

Supercheese is a huge greatclub with Shillelagh on it (your DM may or may not allow greatclubs to qualify as "clubs").

Coupled with a leap attack, the damage is pretty insane. But, then again, leap attack is pretty insane all by itself...

TM
Psyrus
03-12-07, 04:57 PM I don't have my books with me right now...but can you charge the deep crystal weapon with 2PP as a free action and also expend your PsiFocus during the same round. Something in the back of my mind is also telling me that a Deep Crystal weapon stays charged for 1 minute or until it is expelled through the hit. I'm I correct on that?

Since it's a free action to charge a Deep Crystal weapon, you can do it in the same round you expend your focus to use Psionic Weapon. If you have multiple attacks, you can even charge your Deep Crystal weapon before each swing. If your swing misses, your weapon stays charged.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
dnddreamer 03-10-07, 12:23 AM	Is the method of use Psionic Weapon (or Greater Psionic Weapon) with Psionic Meditation a good attack option for melee focused psionic classes? With a long sword...your basically doing 1d8+4d6(w/GPW) plus strength modifiers each round. Or is it better to jack up your attack modifier and use Power Attack with a two-handed weapon? Or is there a better why to do damage each round with your weapon psionically?
runestar 03-10-07, 12:38 AM	Deep impact + power attack all the way.:)
dnddreamer 03-10-07, 07:19 AM	Deep impact + power attack all the way.:) but also with that combo your still only getting one attack each round if you have to use your move action to refocus your Psionic Focus.
Fargren 03-10-07, 08:00 AM	Bassically it depnds on how much damge do your attacks do, and how many of them do you have. If you have a lot of attacks and/or you have a few(but more than one) that deal a lot of damage, then it's better to make a full attack. If the damage you deal if all your attacks hit is close to the damage you deal with one psionic weapon attack, then is a chioce between power and consistency: one very powerfull attack, or many smalll ones.
QuarianRex 03-10-07, 11:40 PM	It also depends on what your actual class is as well. If you are a class from the TOB then most of your maneuvers will be standard actions and deep impact will give you something to do with your left over move actions.
kelvinaw273 03-11-07, 12:11 AM	I considered this from the point of view of a monk with the Psionic Fist feat tree. Against an attacker with high AC, using Unavaoidable Attack may be the only way you can score damage at all. Against an attacker with a high damage resistance, you use Greater Psionic Fist for the same reason (or possibly Aligned Attack). But against anything else using ordinary Flurry of Blows was more effective. Great for those particular occasions, but not a method of running every fight.
runestar 03-11-07, 12:37 AM	but also with that combo your still only getting one attack each round if you have to use your move action to refocus your Psionic Focus. How different is this from your combo? Since you are only getting 1 attack/round, might as well maximize the damage it deals...
dnddreamer 03-12-07, 12:40 AM	How different is this from your combo? Since you are only getting 1 attack/round, might as well maximize the damage it deals... I'm sorry...that's is what I meant. That both combo are the same 1 attack a round. I guess what I'm fishing for is what you guys use for a psionic melee focused character like what kelvinaw273 gave in example of above.
TheMagister 03-12-07, 10:45 AM	Dealing 60+ points of damage/round with deep impact + power attack is pretty good. When you throw in the leap attack-type feats, it outpaces full attacking pretty quickly. I always figured on taking a fighter/psywar build up to 20th or so level. With all those bonus feats, it's conceivable to have the power attack/leap attack tree, the spring attack tree, and the deep impact tree. That's a lot of pain for relatively little risk. Personally, (if you took the psicrystal containment feat) I don't recommend "wasting" a focus on GPW. I'd rather be expanded and use the extra one on a deep impact/power attack/stand still AoO. Sit. Stay. Just my 2cp.
dnddreamer 03-12-07, 11:59 AM	Dealing 60+ points of damage/round with deep impact + power attack is pretty good. So...say a PsiWarr at 20th level with a 24STR Weapon (Greatsword): 2d6 Magical Weapon: +5 Strength damage: +9 Power Attack (15): +30 14PP Prescience, Offensive: +6 That's 2d6+50 with a Attack Bonus of +11 (+12 WF Greatsword). Did I miss anything in there? I know that you can up that Attack bonus to +16 with a 14PP Precognition (Offensive) and also get another point of damage and another +1d6 onto the greatsword with Expansion. +16 Attack with a touch attack is cool...but we talking about 20th level here. What about Midlevel (10th)...there is no why to do that type of damage at that level...is there?...possibly 2d6+26ish?
Psyrus 03-12-07, 01:24 PM	A Deep Crystal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/specialMaterials.htm#crystalDeep) weapon may come in handy as well. Spending 2psp as a free action to do an extra +2d6 damage is a nice option. It'll stack with Psionic Weapon damage too.
dnddreamer 03-12-07, 04:11 PM	A Deep Crystal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/specialMaterials.htm#crystalDeep) weapon may come in handy as well. Spending 2psp as a free action to do an extra +2d6 damage is a nice option. It'll stack with Psionic Weapon damage too. I don't have my books with me right now...but can you charge the deep crystal weapon with 2PP as a free action and also expend your PsiFocus during the same round. Something in the back of my mind is also telling me that a Deep Crystal weapon stays charged for 1 minute or until it is expelled through the hit. I'm I correct on that?
PrinceCurtis 03-12-07, 04:24 PM	It also depends on what your actual class is as well. If you are a class from the TOB then most of your maneuvers will be standard actions and deep impact will give you something to do with your left over move actions. if you talking ToB, there's also a feat that let's you gain you psionic focus as a swift action (or is move....) after a manuever 3 times a day.....
TheMagister 03-12-07, 04:55 PM	So...say a PsiWarr at 20th level with a 24STR Weapon (Greatsword): 2d6 Magical Weapon: +5 Strength damage: +9 Power Attack (15): +30 14PP Prescience, Offensive: +6 That's 2d6+50 with a Attack Bonus of +11 (+12 WF Greatsword). Did I miss anything in there? I know that you can up that Attack bonus to +16 with a 14PP Precognition (Offensive) and also get another point of damage and another +1d6 onto the greatsword with Expansion. +16 Attack with a touch attack is cool...but we talking about 20th level here. What about Midlevel (10th)...there is no why to do that type of damage at that level...is there?...possibly 2d6+26ish? I'm sorry, I thought I was relating the combination of Leap Attack and Deep Impact+Power Attack. Expansion takes you up to huge w/a 7 pp expenditure: you can get larger than large, if you get my meaning. Supercheese is a huge greatclub with Shillelagh on it (your DM may or may not allow greatclubs to qualify as "clubs"). Coupled with a leap attack, the damage is pretty insane. But, then again, leap attack is pretty insane all by itself... TM
Psyrus 03-12-07, 04:57 PM	I don't have my books with me right now...but can you charge the deep crystal weapon with 2PP as a free action and also expend your PsiFocus during the same round. Something in the back of my mind is also telling me that a Deep Crystal weapon stays charged for 1 minute or until it is expelled through the hit. I'm I correct on that? Since it's a free action to charge a Deep Crystal weapon, you can do it in the same round you expend your focus to use Psionic Weapon. If you have multiple attacks, you can even charge your Deep Crystal weapon before each swing. If your swing misses, your weapon stays charged.