Psions and The Master of The Unseen Hand Prestige Class [Archive] - Wizards Community

Psions and The Master of The Unseen Hand Prestige Class [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ronaldf
07-10-07, 02:35 PM Ok, the Master of the Unseen Hand Prestige class need only two things to get into; 8 ranks in Knowledge arcana and the ability to use Telekenesis as the spell or Telekenesis through spell-like abilities or supernatural abilities.

So does a Psion get a Telekenesis power that acts just like the arcane spell? and can it be used for the prestige class since it doesnt say Telekenesis power on it?

If a psion cant become a prestige class that masters a "psionic" ability that would just not make sense. In fact, it makes more sense that a psion should get that prestige class instead of the sorcerers and wizards!

- Jesus saves, the rest of you take full damage.
InkBlot
07-10-07, 02:45 PM Psions are already better at telekinesis than wizards. Psions get three telekinesis power: telekinetic thrust, telekinetic force, and telekinetic manuever. TK thrust and TK force are both 2 levels lower than arcan telekinesis. TK maneuver is one level lower. So a psion gets to manifest them all more often than a wizard could, and only has to pay for the effect he wants.

Also, Master Of The Unseen Hand is poorly written. It assumes things about telekinesis that aren't true. You don't have to take a prestige class to be able to throw people into the sky with TK thrust, neither do you have to do that to pick yourself up with TK force (just target your clothes).

I once worked out the math for how often a psion/MotuH and a wizard/MotuH could TK people. It turned out a wizard couldn't do it as often, but when he was out of telekinesis he would still have all his 1st-4th level spell slots left to back him up.
ronaldf
07-10-07, 02:49 PM OOOHHHHH!!!

I see, Master of the Unseen Hand is ment for wizards, and a Psion gets better stuff. Now that makes sense to me.
InkBlot
07-10-07, 02:53 PM Also, Complete Warrior was written before Expanded Psionics Handbook.

Here's a good homebrew Master Of The Unseen Hand conversion for you. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=829493)
AntiDjinn
07-10-07, 03:53 PM If you adapt the PrC, then psions can enter it two levels earlier than a wizard. You can have all 3 of the basic TK powers by level 7 (you don't even have to be a kineticist). A wizard can't learn the TK spell until level 9. After taking levels in the PrC, a wizard has to burn a 5th level slot to use any of the specials, while a psion-MotUH just pays for the effects he uses and can get away with just spending 5 points (base cost for a 3rd level power) to activate any of the PrC special abilities.

But read the PrC carefully. When you are of a level where it is available you will find that more levels of psion make you better at TK combat than levels of MotUH.

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ronaldf 07-10-07, 02:35 PM	Ok, the Master of the Unseen Hand Prestige class need only two things to get into; 8 ranks in Knowledge arcana and the ability to use Telekenesis as the spell or Telekenesis through spell-like abilities or supernatural abilities. So does a Psion get a Telekenesis power that acts just like the arcane spell? and can it be used for the prestige class since it doesnt say Telekenesis power on it? If a psion cant become a prestige class that masters a "psionic" ability that would just not make sense. In fact, it makes more sense that a psion should get that prestige class instead of the sorcerers and wizards! - Jesus saves, the rest of you take full damage.
InkBlot 07-10-07, 02:45 PM	Psions are already better at telekinesis than wizards. Psions get three telekinesis power: telekinetic thrust, telekinetic force, and telekinetic manuever. TK thrust and TK force are both 2 levels lower than arcan telekinesis. TK maneuver is one level lower. So a psion gets to manifest them all more often than a wizard could, and only has to pay for the effect he wants. Also, Master Of The Unseen Hand is poorly written. It assumes things about telekinesis that aren't true. You don't have to take a prestige class to be able to throw people into the sky with TK thrust, neither do you have to do that to pick yourself up with TK force (just target your clothes). I once worked out the math for how often a psion/MotuH and a wizard/MotuH could TK people. It turned out a wizard couldn't do it as often, but when he was out of telekinesis he would still have all his 1st-4th level spell slots left to back him up.
ronaldf 07-10-07, 02:49 PM	OOOHHHHH!!! I see, Master of the Unseen Hand is ment for wizards, and a Psion gets better stuff. Now that makes sense to me.
InkBlot 07-10-07, 02:53 PM	Also, Complete Warrior was written before Expanded Psionics Handbook. Here's a good homebrew Master Of The Unseen Hand conversion for you. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=829493)
AntiDjinn 07-10-07, 03:53 PM	If you adapt the PrC, then psions can enter it two levels earlier than a wizard. You can have all 3 of the basic TK powers by level 7 (you don't even have to be a kineticist). A wizard can't learn the TK spell until level 9. After taking levels in the PrC, a wizard has to burn a 5th level slot to use any of the specials, while a psion-MotUH just pays for the effects he uses and can get away with just spending 5 points (base cost for a 3rd level power) to activate any of the PrC special abilities. But read the PrC carefully. When you are of a level where it is available you will find that more levels of psion make you better at TK combat than levels of MotUH.