Question on Phrenic Template [Archive] - Wizards Community

Question on Phrenic Template [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Half_Dragon_Infernal
02-16-08, 11:14 AM Why is it considered overpowered? Highlight what is overpowered

Creating A Phrenic Creature

“Phrenic” is an inherited template that can be added to any nonmindless creature that does not already have the psionic subtype (referred to hereafter as the “base creature”). A phrenic creature uses all the base creature’s statistics and special abilities except as noted here.
Size and Type

The creature’s type does not change, unless it is an animal (in which case it becomes a magical beast [augmented animal]). It gains the psionic subtype.

Psi-Like Abilities (Sp)

A phrenic creature possesses the psi-like abilities indicated below, depending on its Hit Dice. The abilities are cumulative. Unless otherwise noted, an ability is usable once per day. Manifester level is equal to the creature’s HD. The save DCs for a phrenic creature’s psi-like abilities are Charisma-based.

HD Abilities
1-2 3/day—defensive precognition; 1/day—force screen
3-4 3/day—empty mind, mind thrust
5-6 1/day—body adjustment, brain lock
7-8 1/day—aversion, psionic blast
9-10 3/day—intellect fortress; 1/day—psychic crush
11-12 1/day—psionic dominate
13-14 1/day—energy current, tower of iron will
15-16 3/day—psionic teleport
17-18 1/day—fission
19-20 1/day—ultrablast

Special Qualities

A phrenic creature has all the special qualities of the base creature, plus the following special qualities.

Naturally Psionic

A phrenic creature gains 1 bonus power point.

Power Resistance (Ex)

A phrenic creature has power resistance equal to its Hit Dice +10.

Abilities

Increase from the base creature as follows: Int +2 (if Int is 3 or greater), Wis +2, Cha +4.

Feats

A phrenic creature can take psionic feats, if it meets the prerequisites for such feats.

Challenge Rating

Up to 5 HD, same as base creature +1; 6-10 HD, same as base creature +2; 11+ HD, same as base creature +3.

Level Adjustment

Same as base creature +2.
InkBlot
02-16-08, 11:47 AM What? Who ever said the phrenic template was overpowered? I've heard that the psionic template was overpowered, but that was 3.0 and the phrenic template replaced it in 3.5.
Half_Dragon_Infernal
02-16-08, 06:03 PM Why the XPH isn't overpowered. They were saying it was op and that's not enough of reason to say the XPH is overpowered.
hogarth
02-16-08, 06:59 PM It's not so much that it's overpowered, per se. But it's probably better than 85% of other +2 LA templates. That could just mean that other +2 LA templates are underpowered, though.
Half_Dragon_Infernal
02-17-08, 10:38 AM oh, thanks for the clarification. The PR seems pretty high though if you gave it to a "brute".

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Half_Dragon_Infernal 02-16-08, 11:14 AM	Why is it considered overpowered? Highlight what is overpowered Creating A Phrenic Creature “Phrenic” is an inherited template that can be added to any nonmindless creature that does not already have the psionic subtype (referred to hereafter as the “base creature”). A phrenic creature uses all the base creature’s statistics and special abilities except as noted here. Size and Type The creature’s type does not change, unless it is an animal (in which case it becomes a magical beast [augmented animal]). It gains the psionic subtype. Psi-Like Abilities (Sp) A phrenic creature possesses the psi-like abilities indicated below, depending on its Hit Dice. The abilities are cumulative. Unless otherwise noted, an ability is usable once per day. Manifester level is equal to the creature’s HD. The save DCs for a phrenic creature’s psi-like abilities are Charisma-based. HD Abilities 1-2 3/day—defensive precognition; 1/day—force screen 3-4 3/day—empty mind, mind thrust 5-6 1/day—body adjustment, brain lock 7-8 1/day—aversion, psionic blast 9-10 3/day—intellect fortress; 1/day—psychic crush 11-12 1/day—psionic dominate 13-14 1/day—energy current, tower of iron will 15-16 3/day—psionic teleport 17-18 1/day—fission 19-20 1/day—ultrablast Special Qualities A phrenic creature has all the special qualities of the base creature, plus the following special qualities. Naturally Psionic A phrenic creature gains 1 bonus power point. Power Resistance (Ex) A phrenic creature has power resistance equal to its Hit Dice +10. Abilities Increase from the base creature as follows: Int +2 (if Int is 3 or greater), Wis +2, Cha +4. Feats A phrenic creature can take psionic feats, if it meets the prerequisites for such feats. Challenge Rating Up to 5 HD, same as base creature +1; 6-10 HD, same as base creature +2; 11+ HD, same as base creature +3. Level Adjustment Same as base creature +2.
InkBlot 02-16-08, 11:47 AM	What? Who ever said the phrenic template was overpowered? I've heard that the psionic template was overpowered, but that was 3.0 and the phrenic template replaced it in 3.5.
Half_Dragon_Infernal 02-16-08, 06:03 PM	Why the XPH isn't overpowered. They were saying it was op and that's not enough of reason to say the XPH is overpowered.
hogarth 02-16-08, 06:59 PM	It's not so much that it's overpowered, per se. But it's probably better than 85% of other +2 LA templates. That could just mean that other +2 LA templates are underpowered, though.
Half_Dragon_Infernal 02-17-08, 10:38 AM	oh, thanks for the clarification. The PR seems pretty high though if you gave it to a "brute".