target:self and dorjes [Archive] - Wizards Community

target:self and dorjes [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Oregwath
02-15-08, 09:07 AM Okay, this is probably easy, and I shouldn't even have to ask... but my mind is taking a few years off and I have to ask. If you put a target:self power in a dorje, can you use it on other people? I made a psywar with a dorje of body adjustment for the healing, and I want to make sure I can hit, I mean heal, the rest of my party with it.
TheKeyofE
02-15-08, 09:28 AM It's target:self as opposed to target:touch, like a cure X wounds spell. In this case they could use it on themselves (assuming they either had Use Psionic Device or the power on their class list), but you couldn't use it on them.

I don't want to look for the quote but the DMG says casting a spell from a wand works the same as casting the spell normally, and I think the XPH says something similar about dorjes. So even though touching someone with a dorje of body adjustment seems like it should work, by the rules it won't.
Bacris
02-15-08, 09:41 AM Here's the pertinent rules.

Power Trigger: This is the activation method for dorjes and psicrowns. It requires the special knowledge of power manifestation that a character of the appropriate class would know, and the formation of the appropriate command thought. If a power is on a character’s power list, the character knows how to use a power trigger item that stores that power. The user must still determine what power is stored in the item before she can activate it. Activating a power trigger item is a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity.
Powers stored in power trigger items are not augmented. Such powers are assumed to be stored in the item at the minimum manifester level necessary to manifest the power. However, certain items may specify a higher manifester level than necessary. If such an item holds a power that deals hit point damage, the power is assumed to be augmented to the maximum allowed by the power and the manifester level.

DORJES
A dorje is a slender crystal that contains a single power. Each dorje has 50 charges when created, and each charge expended allows one use of that power. A dorje that runs out of charges is just a simple crystal.
Physical Description: A typical dorje is an elongated crystal of one color (or colorless), between 8 inches and 10 inches long and about 1/2 inch thick, which can weigh up to 1/4 pound. Occasionally, a dorje is decorated with carvings or inscribed runes along a face of the crystal. A typical dorje has AC 7, 7 hit points, a hardness of 8, and a break DC of 18.
Activation: Dorjes use the power trigger activation method, so manifesting a power from a dorje is usually a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity. (If the power being manifested has a manifesting time longer than 1 standard action, however, it takes that long to manifest the power from a dorje.) The user must have the power on his class list, even if he knows the command thought. Additionally, to activate a dorje, a character must hold it in hand and point it in the general direction of the target or area to be affected.
Dorjes are normally created at the minimum manifester level required to manifest the power, and powers that can be augmented are not augmented when stored in a dorje. A dorje’s wielder cannot augment the power contained within the dorje. However, dorjes can be created at a higher manifester level than required to manifest the power. In this case, the dorje that holds an augmentable power is augmented, to the limit of the manifester level and the power’s augmentation maximums, if any. The manifester level of a dorje cannot be more than five higher than the minimum manifester level to use the power it contains.

Nothing in those rules specifies a power in a dorje can violate the targeting restrictions of a power, so the targeting restrictions of the power still apply.
Oregwath
02-15-08, 10:54 AM Okay, thank you very much. I think I will keep it though, never know when a little healing is needed and I am out of PP.
Nabuchadnezzar
02-15-08, 11:55 AM Make a dorje of empathic transfer too and you are set

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Oregwath 02-15-08, 09:07 AM	Okay, this is probably easy, and I shouldn't even have to ask... but my mind is taking a few years off and I have to ask. If you put a target:self power in a dorje, can you use it on other people? I made a psywar with a dorje of body adjustment for the healing, and I want to make sure I can hit, I mean heal, the rest of my party with it.
TheKeyofE 02-15-08, 09:28 AM	It's target:self as opposed to target:touch, like a cure X wounds spell. In this case they could use it on themselves (assuming they either had Use Psionic Device or the power on their class list), but you couldn't use it on them. I don't want to look for the quote but the DMG says casting a spell from a wand works the same as casting the spell normally, and I think the XPH says something similar about dorjes. So even though touching someone with a dorje of body adjustment seems like it should work, by the rules it won't.
Bacris 02-15-08, 09:41 AM	Here's the pertinent rules. Power Trigger: This is the activation method for dorjes and psicrowns. It requires the special knowledge of power manifestation that a character of the appropriate class would know, and the formation of the appropriate command thought. If a power is on a character’s power list, the character knows how to use a power trigger item that stores that power. The user must still determine what power is stored in the item before she can activate it. Activating a power trigger item is a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity. Powers stored in power trigger items are not augmented. Such powers are assumed to be stored in the item at the minimum manifester level necessary to manifest the power. However, certain items may specify a higher manifester level than necessary. If such an item holds a power that deals hit point damage, the power is assumed to be augmented to the maximum allowed by the power and the manifester level. DORJES A dorje is a slender crystal that contains a single power. Each dorje has 50 charges when created, and each charge expended allows one use of that power. A dorje that runs out of charges is just a simple crystal. Physical Description: A typical dorje is an elongated crystal of one color (or colorless), between 8 inches and 10 inches long and about 1/2 inch thick, which can weigh up to 1/4 pound. Occasionally, a dorje is decorated with carvings or inscribed runes along a face of the crystal. A typical dorje has AC 7, 7 hit points, a hardness of 8, and a break DC of 18. Activation: Dorjes use the power trigger activation method, so manifesting a power from a dorje is usually a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity. (If the power being manifested has a manifesting time longer than 1 standard action, however, it takes that long to manifest the power from a dorje.) The user must have the power on his class list, even if he knows the command thought. Additionally, to activate a dorje, a character must hold it in hand and point it in the general direction of the target or area to be affected. Dorjes are normally created at the minimum manifester level required to manifest the power, and powers that can be augmented are not augmented when stored in a dorje. A dorje’s wielder cannot augment the power contained within the dorje. However, dorjes can be created at a higher manifester level than required to manifest the power. In this case, the dorje that holds an augmentable power is augmented, to the limit of the manifester level and the power’s augmentation maximums, if any. The manifester level of a dorje cannot be more than five higher than the minimum manifester level to use the power it contains. Nothing in those rules specifies a power in a dorje can violate the targeting restrictions of a power, so the targeting restrictions of the power still apply.
Oregwath 02-15-08, 10:54 AM	Okay, thank you very much. I think I will keep it though, never know when a little healing is needed and I am out of PP.
Nabuchadnezzar 02-15-08, 11:55 AM	Make a dorje of empathic transfer too and you are set