Undead Psion [Archive] - Wizards Community

Undead Psion [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Pezz
01-21-08, 09:37 PM How would this work? if a psion became an intelligent undead, thus losing his CON score, would he lose all access to CON based powers?
AntiDjinn
01-21-08, 09:39 PM What Con-based powers would those be? Please tell me you are not using 3.0 psionics and wandering around at large.
Fafnir
01-21-08, 09:41 PM CON based powers?

There's no such thing. You're thinking about 3.0 Psionics.
Tempest Stormwind
01-21-08, 10:01 PM Even in 3.0 psionics, take a look at the Monsters chapter. They clearly explain what happens when you deal with an undead psionic creature: No Psychometabolism, but use Charisma for Psychokinesis.

However, drop that **** right now, wash your hands, and call a priest. Then, once he's through, pick up the Expanded Psionics Handbook and watch for any residual side effects, calling your doctor if they persist. (The sudden euphoria you will feel upon reading the XPH is not a side effect; it is perfectly natural and to be expected.)
CrimsonDeath
01-21-08, 10:16 PM Even in 3.0 psionics, take a look at the Monsters chapter. They clearly explain what happens when you deal with an undead psionic creature: No Psychometabolism, but use Charisma for Psychokinesis.

If that's what happens, why didn't they just base Psychometabolism on Constitution and Psychokinesis on Strength?
Tempest Stormwind
01-21-08, 11:37 PM If that's what happens, why didn't they just base Psychometabolism on Constitution and Psychokinesis on Strength?

It's 3.0 psionics.

For that ruleset, "Why did they anything?!?" remains a perfectly valid and open question no matter how you ask it.
AntiDjinn
01-21-08, 11:40 PM If that's what happens, why didn't they just base Psychometabolism on Constitution and Psychokinesis on Strength?
They were that way at some point during development, but were changed shortly before the book was released. This was evident due to legacy text errors such as undead not being able to use psychometabolic powers due to their lack of Con score (it would have been just as easy to attribute it to their lack of metabolism). There was a time when BC used to turn up here regularly and field questions, and that was one of them.
Garandene_Lyrandar
01-22-08, 12:13 AM GET OUT
CrimsonDeath
01-22-08, 03:20 AM It's 3.0 psionics.

For that ruleset, "Why did they anything?!?" remains a perfectly valid and open question no matter how you ask it.

Actually, I think the feats that require a minimum PP reserve to function weren't too bad. Sort of a precursor both to Psionic feats that require the character to maintain focus and to Reserve feats.
McPoyo
01-22-08, 10:48 AM ...I liked 3.0 psionics...

>.>

<.<

>.>
Psionx
01-22-08, 12:12 PM So I guess it wouldn't be a good thing if I still have my 3.0 psionics handbook? I did like that in 3.0 psionics you didn't need focus for the feats. On the attack and defense modes though, couldn't you just be a monster with all of them at will and build character levels from there?
AntiDjinn
01-22-08, 01:01 PM So I guess it wouldn't be a good thing if I still have my 3.0 psionics handbook? I did like that in 3.0 psionics you didn't need focus for the feats. On the attack and defense modes though, couldn't you just be a monster with all of them at will and build character levels from there?

Except only monsters had any use for attack and defense modes. No PC whose player did not have brain damage ever willingly used the psionic combat system. It was written just to see who failed 6th grade math.
Lycanthromancer
01-22-08, 01:03 PM Except only monsters had any use for attack and defense modes. No PC whose player did not have brain damage ever willingly used the psionic combat system. It was written just to see who failed Kindergarten finger-painting. Fixed.
CrimsonDeath
01-22-08, 01:33 PM Except only monsters had any use for attack and defense modes. No PC whose player did not have brain damage ever willingly used the psionic combat system. It was written just to see who failed 6th grade math.

Well, defense modes at will would've been nice, with all those monsters out there that had at-will attack modes.
jbsaff
01-22-08, 07:26 PM So I guess it wouldn't be a good thing if I still have my 3.0 psionics handbook?

No. No it wouldn't. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that's a Bad Thing TM.

I tried reading the 3.0 book after researching the 3.5 SRD. Took me about 10 minutes to realize I needed to convince my DM to NOT go with the books just this once. It was even a 3.5 game.
CryoSilver
01-22-08, 07:30 PM ...I liked 3.0 psionics...

>.>

<.<

>.>

Burn the witch! :mage:
The_Mess
01-22-08, 07:44 PM 3.0 Psionics turned me into a newt!
CrimsonDeath
01-22-08, 07:52 PM 3.0 Psionics turned me into a newt!

A newt?!
CryoSilver
01-22-08, 08:11 PM He got better...
Tempest Stormwind
01-22-08, 09:59 PM http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/monty_python.jpg
CryoSilver
01-22-08, 10:12 PM How many surrealists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Fish.
jbsaff
01-23-08, 12:30 AM Wait! I thought the answer was haberdashery.
CrimsonDeath
01-23-08, 02:09 AM How many surrealists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

At least two, but they'd have to be pretty small.

No, wait, that's Freudians.
The_Mess
01-23-08, 02:26 AM He got better...
I did, indeed, get better. Being a newt ROCKS! I can regenerate limbs, I only have to eat once a week or so. Sure, I have to keep my skin moist, but I live in Florida, where if the humidity falls below 90%, we call it a drought.
Tempest Stormwind
01-23-08, 02:39 AM No, wait, that's Freudians.

One better. (http://www.pvponline.com/2004/11/29/november-29-2004/)
Belabras
01-23-08, 03:12 AM Not that I don't agree on the 3.0 complaints, but it's possible he could have been talking about D20 Psionics. That's multiple ability dependant as well...
CrimsonDeath
01-23-08, 04:05 AM One better. (http://www.pvponline.com/2004/11/29/november-29-2004/)

I dunno, I kinda like hinging the joke on the use of an alternative definition of "screw in a lightbulb".
Ryuu_Tenshi
01-23-08, 11:59 AM I did, indeed, get better. Being a newt ROCKS! I can regenerate limbs, I only have to eat once a week or so. Sure, I have to keep my skin moist, but I live in Florida, where if the humidity falls below 90%, we call it a drought.

Hey, did you get to keep your INT score?

'cause you might have something there if you go into Egoist.'

(... see what you've done to me, boards? I'm STILL THINKING ABOUT BUILDS.)
The_Mess
01-23-08, 12:16 PM I'm typing, aren't I? Do you know any other newts that can type? Of course I kept my INT score!
Otakkun
01-23-08, 01:16 PM Just hoping in to say hi to AntiDjinn. Now we only need to get back Psi_SeveredHead and the whole gang would be back and posting. So much nostalgia :cool:
AntiDjinn
01-23-08, 02:03 PM ((Otakkun!)). Psi_SeveredHead is still around. Only missing a few of the old ones.
Jeez, now I feel old.
CrimsonDeath
01-23-08, 03:49 PM I'm typing, aren't I? Do you know any other newts that can type? Of course I kept my INT score!

No, but I have met a gecko who can talk.
Ryuu_Tenshi
01-23-08, 05:49 PM No, but I have met a gecko who can talk.

Pfft, they've just got a guy using Ventriloquism off to the side for those!
Tempest Stormwind
01-23-08, 07:41 PM Pfft, they've just got a guy using Ventriloquism off to the side for those!

OH SHI--

*hides*

Note to self: Ventriloquism lasts longer than Invisibility.

AntiDjinn, Otakkun: FWIW, I recall most of the 3e crowd from my lurker days (it took the XPH hitting my FLGS to convince me to register). Seeing as you haven't chased younger punks offa yer lawn with yer stick yet, I doubt you can claim "old" status. (Mind you, after the ordeal that was 3.0 psionics, "veteran" may be more appropriate.)
AntiDjinn
01-23-08, 08:03 PM I doubt you can claim "old" status. (Mind you, after the ordeal that was 3.0 psionics, "veteran" may be more appropriate.)
How about recovering victim of 3.0, who has found a way to cope with the horror? This thread almost gave me flashbacks.
Pezz
01-24-08, 09:04 PM <_<
sorry?

yeah, i know the book i was using was 3.0, ive ordered the expanded book and am waiting for it to come in. i just
a) hadn't read the SRD about psionics (did after reading the first replies though)
b) didnt realize that psionics had such a major overhaul between the versions.
jbsaff
01-24-08, 11:48 PM <_<
sorry?

Don't sweat it. You'll find that the majority of people on the Psionics forum:
a) Dislike the 3.0 Psionics Handbook, and...
b) Are happy to help point folks in the right direction. (Said direction being pretty much "Anywhere away from the 3.0 Psionics Handbook".)

;)
Ecalsneerg
01-26-08, 06:10 PM Or the alternative of 'run towards the 3.0 Psionics handbook and set it alight, then run a few feet to watch the flames.'
Ryuu_Tenshi
01-26-08, 07:23 PM Or the alternative of 'run towards the 3.0 Psionics handbook and set it alight, then run a few feet to watch the flames.'

No, no, what you do is, direct the newbie away to avoid the newbie being tainted, then set it on fire yourself. Preferably with a maximized, overchanneled Energy Ray.
CrimsonDeath
01-26-08, 08:31 PM No, no, what you do is, direct the newbie away to avoid the newbie being tainted, then set it on fire yourself. Preferably with a maximized, overchanneled Energy Ray.

Ordinarily, I'd recommend Matter Agitation instead, but it has a duration of Concentration, and I don't think anyone wants to think about the PsiHP that long.
Lycanthromancer
01-28-08, 01:09 PM No, no, no. Don't set fire to it! You might inhale some!

Bury it in a vat of acid 3 miles underground.

Or, to torture it endlessly, microcosm it, so it has no choice but to think of itself for eternity!

Muahaha...Muahahahahaha...

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Pezz 01-21-08, 09:37 PM	How would this work? if a psion became an intelligent undead, thus losing his CON score, would he lose all access to CON based powers?
AntiDjinn 01-21-08, 09:39 PM	What Con-based powers would those be? Please tell me you are not using 3.0 psionics and wandering around at large.
Fafnir 01-21-08, 09:41 PM	CON based powers? There's no such thing. You're thinking about 3.0 Psionics.
Tempest Stormwind 01-21-08, 10:01 PM	Even in 3.0 psionics, take a look at the Monsters chapter. They clearly explain what happens when you deal with an undead psionic creature: No Psychometabolism, but use Charisma for Psychokinesis. However, drop that **** right now, wash your hands, and call a priest. Then, once he's through, pick up the Expanded Psionics Handbook and watch for any residual side effects, calling your doctor if they persist. (The sudden euphoria you will feel upon reading the XPH is not a side effect; it is perfectly natural and to be expected.)
CrimsonDeath 01-21-08, 10:16 PM	Even in 3.0 psionics, take a look at the Monsters chapter. They clearly explain what happens when you deal with an undead psionic creature: No Psychometabolism, but use Charisma for Psychokinesis. If that's what happens, why didn't they just base Psychometabolism on Constitution and Psychokinesis on Strength?
Tempest Stormwind 01-21-08, 11:37 PM	If that's what happens, why didn't they just base Psychometabolism on Constitution and Psychokinesis on Strength? It's 3.0 psionics. For that ruleset, "Why did they anything?!?" remains a perfectly valid and open question no matter how you ask it.
AntiDjinn 01-21-08, 11:40 PM	If that's what happens, why didn't they just base Psychometabolism on Constitution and Psychokinesis on Strength? They were that way at some point during development, but were changed shortly before the book was released. This was evident due to legacy text errors such as undead not being able to use psychometabolic powers due to their lack of Con score (it would have been just as easy to attribute it to their lack of metabolism). There was a time when BC used to turn up here regularly and field questions, and that was one of them.
Garandene_Lyrandar 01-22-08, 12:13 AM	GET OUT
CrimsonDeath 01-22-08, 03:20 AM	It's 3.0 psionics. For that ruleset, "Why did they anything?!?" remains a perfectly valid and open question no matter how you ask it. Actually, I think the feats that require a minimum PP reserve to function weren't too bad. Sort of a precursor both to Psionic feats that require the character to maintain focus and to Reserve feats.
McPoyo 01-22-08, 10:48 AM	...I liked 3.0 psionics... >.> <.< >.>
Psionx 01-22-08, 12:12 PM	So I guess it wouldn't be a good thing if I still have my 3.0 psionics handbook? I did like that in 3.0 psionics you didn't need focus for the feats. On the attack and defense modes though, couldn't you just be a monster with all of them at will and build character levels from there?
AntiDjinn 01-22-08, 01:01 PM	So I guess it wouldn't be a good thing if I still have my 3.0 psionics handbook? I did like that in 3.0 psionics you didn't need focus for the feats. On the attack and defense modes though, couldn't you just be a monster with all of them at will and build character levels from there? Except only monsters had any use for attack and defense modes. No PC whose player did not have brain damage ever willingly used the psionic combat system. It was written just to see who failed 6th grade math.
Lycanthromancer 01-22-08, 01:03 PM	Except only monsters had any use for attack and defense modes. No PC whose player did not have brain damage ever willingly used the psionic combat system. It was written just to see who failed Kindergarten finger-painting. Fixed.
CrimsonDeath 01-22-08, 01:33 PM	Except only monsters had any use for attack and defense modes. No PC whose player did not have brain damage ever willingly used the psionic combat system. It was written just to see who failed 6th grade math. Well, defense modes at will would've been nice, with all those monsters out there that had at-will attack modes.
jbsaff 01-22-08, 07:26 PM	So I guess it wouldn't be a good thing if I still have my 3.0 psionics handbook? No. No it wouldn't. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that's a Bad Thing TM. I tried reading the 3.0 book after researching the 3.5 SRD. Took me about 10 minutes to realize I needed to convince my DM to NOT go with the books just this once. It was even a 3.5 game.
CryoSilver 01-22-08, 07:30 PM	...I liked 3.0 psionics... >.> <.< >.> Burn the witch! :mage:
The_Mess 01-22-08, 07:44 PM	3.0 Psionics turned me into a newt!
CrimsonDeath 01-22-08, 07:52 PM	3.0 Psionics turned me into a newt! A newt?!
CryoSilver 01-22-08, 08:11 PM	He got better...
Tempest Stormwind 01-22-08, 09:59 PM	http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/monty_python.jpg
CryoSilver 01-22-08, 10:12 PM	How many surrealists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Fish.
jbsaff 01-23-08, 12:30 AM	Wait! I thought the answer was haberdashery.
CrimsonDeath 01-23-08, 02:09 AM	How many surrealists does it take to screw in a light bulb? At least two, but they'd have to be pretty small. No, wait, that's Freudians.
The_Mess 01-23-08, 02:26 AM	He got better... I did, indeed, get better. Being a newt ROCKS! I can regenerate limbs, I only have to eat once a week or so. Sure, I have to keep my skin moist, but I live in Florida, where if the humidity falls below 90%, we call it a drought.
Tempest Stormwind 01-23-08, 02:39 AM	No, wait, that's Freudians. One better. (http://www.pvponline.com/2004/11/29/november-29-2004/)
Belabras 01-23-08, 03:12 AM	Not that I don't agree on the 3.0 complaints, but it's possible he could have been talking about D20 Psionics. That's multiple ability dependant as well...
CrimsonDeath 01-23-08, 04:05 AM	One better. (http://www.pvponline.com/2004/11/29/november-29-2004/) I dunno, I kinda like hinging the joke on the use of an alternative definition of "screw in a lightbulb".
Ryuu_Tenshi 01-23-08, 11:59 AM	I did, indeed, get better. Being a newt ROCKS! I can regenerate limbs, I only have to eat once a week or so. Sure, I have to keep my skin moist, but I live in Florida, where if the humidity falls below 90%, we call it a drought. Hey, did you get to keep your INT score? 'cause you might have something there if you go into Egoist.' (... see what you've done to me, boards? I'm STILL THINKING ABOUT BUILDS.)
The_Mess 01-23-08, 12:16 PM	I'm typing, aren't I? Do you know any other newts that can type? Of course I kept my INT score!
Otakkun 01-23-08, 01:16 PM	Just hoping in to say hi to AntiDjinn. Now we only need to get back Psi_SeveredHead and the whole gang would be back and posting. So much nostalgia :cool:
AntiDjinn 01-23-08, 02:03 PM	((Otakkun!)). Psi_SeveredHead is still around. Only missing a few of the old ones. Jeez, now I feel old.
CrimsonDeath 01-23-08, 03:49 PM	I'm typing, aren't I? Do you know any other newts that can type? Of course I kept my INT score! No, but I have met a gecko who can talk.
Ryuu_Tenshi 01-23-08, 05:49 PM	No, but I have met a gecko who can talk. Pfft, they've just got a guy using Ventriloquism off to the side for those!
Tempest Stormwind 01-23-08, 07:41 PM	Pfft, they've just got a guy using Ventriloquism off to the side for those! OH SHI-- hides Note to self: Ventriloquism lasts longer than Invisibility. AntiDjinn, Otakkun: FWIW, I recall most of the 3e crowd from my lurker days (it took the XPH hitting my FLGS to convince me to register). Seeing as you haven't chased younger punks offa yer lawn with yer stick yet, I doubt you can claim "old" status. (Mind you, after the ordeal that was 3.0 psionics, "veteran" may be more appropriate.)
AntiDjinn 01-23-08, 08:03 PM	I doubt you can claim "old" status. (Mind you, after the ordeal that was 3.0 psionics, "veteran" may be more appropriate.) How about recovering victim of 3.0, who has found a way to cope with the horror? This thread almost gave me flashbacks.
Pezz 01-24-08, 09:04 PM	<_< sorry? yeah, i know the book i was using was 3.0, ive ordered the expanded book and am waiting for it to come in. i just a) hadn't read the SRD about psionics (did after reading the first replies though) b) didnt realize that psionics had such a major overhaul between the versions.
jbsaff 01-24-08, 11:48 PM	<_< sorry? Don't sweat it. You'll find that the majority of people on the Psionics forum: a) Dislike the 3.0 Psionics Handbook, and... b) Are happy to help point folks in the right direction. (Said direction being pretty much "Anywhere away from the 3.0 Psionics Handbook".) ;)
Ecalsneerg 01-26-08, 06:10 PM	Or the alternative of 'run towards the 3.0 Psionics handbook and set it alight, then run a few feet to watch the flames.'
Ryuu_Tenshi 01-26-08, 07:23 PM	Or the alternative of 'run towards the 3.0 Psionics handbook and set it alight, then run a few feet to watch the flames.' No, no, what you do is, direct the newbie away to avoid the newbie being tainted, then set it on fire yourself. Preferably with a maximized, overchanneled Energy Ray.
CrimsonDeath 01-26-08, 08:31 PM	No, no, what you do is, direct the newbie away to avoid the newbie being tainted, then set it on fire yourself. Preferably with a maximized, overchanneled Energy Ray. Ordinarily, I'd recommend Matter Agitation instead, but it has a duration of Concentration, and I don't think anyone wants to think about the PsiHP that long.
Lycanthromancer 01-28-08, 01:09 PM	No, no, no. Don't set fire to it! You might inhale some! Bury it in a vat of acid 3 miles underground. Or, to torture it endlessly, microcosm it, so it has no choice but to think of itself for eternity! Muahaha...Muahahahahaha... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!