Weapon Augment Crystals on a Mind Blade [Archive] - Wizards Community

Weapon Augment Crystals on a Mind Blade [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Part-Human2
04-18-07, 12:03 AM As far as I can tell you can add an Augment Crystal (MIC) to a Mind Blade. Anyone have problems with that?
primemover003
04-18-07, 12:49 AM A Mind Blade is not an actual weapon and can't hold an Augment Crystal, neither can a Flame Blade, or the Pyrokineticist's Flame Lash. The Soulknife's Mind Blade is already balanced with abilities that can be added as you go up in levels... it's a class ability more than a piece of equipment.
calronmoonflower
04-18-07, 01:10 AM A Mind Blade is not an actual weapon and can't hold an Augment Crystal,

A mind blade acts in all ways like a short sword. That would mean that you can attack a augment crytsal, but you have to do so each time you form your blade.
Part-Human2
04-18-07, 01:34 AM A Mind Blade is not an actual weapon and can't hold an Augment Crystal, neither can a Flame Blade, or the Pyrokineticist's Flame Lash. The Soulknife's Mind Blade is already balanced with abilities that can be added as you go up in levels... it's a class ability more than a piece of equipment.

I guess I should have quoted the rules.
Mind Blade (Su): As a move action, a soulknife can create a semisolid blade composed of psychic energy distilled from his own mind. The blade is identical in all ways (except visually) to a short sword of a size appropriate for its wielder. For instance, a Medium soulknife materializes a Medium mind blade that he can wield as a light weapon, and the blade deals 1d6 points of damage (crit 19-20/x2). Soulknives who are smaller or larger than Medium create mind blades identical to short swords appropriate for their size, with a corresponding change to the blade’s damage. The wielder of a mind blade gains the usual benefits to his attack roll and damage roll from a high Strength bonus.
The blade can be broken (it has hardness 10 and 10 hit points); however, a soulknife can simply create another on his next move action. The moment he relinquishes his grip on his blade, it dissipates (unless he intends to throw it; see below). A mind blade is considered a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
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As such, it seems to be an object, or more precisely a weapon. Flame Blades are immaterial. The Pyrokineticist's Flame Lash is "a 15-foot-long whip of fire" which a DM would easily also deem immaterial.
munin
04-18-07, 09:04 AM Weapon augment crystals are designed to add flexibility to any weapon, even ones which already have weapon special abilities. I think it's perfectly valid to apply an augment crystal to a soulknife's mind blade. It's just as balanced to use them with mind blades as with any other weapon.
Bacris
04-18-07, 09:34 AM I'd rule you'd either have to attach it every time the mind blade was manifested or that you have to have a crystal hilt.
Rageheart
04-18-07, 10:32 AM House Rule: Augment Crystals that are housed in a Glove of Crystal Storing can be applied to mindblades manifested in that hand. (A single Augment Crystal only affects one head of Double-weapon mindblade varients.) Unfortunately, the Soulknife must reattune each time the mindblade is manifested. Attuning a mindblade to an augment crystal requires a move action, which does not provoke attacks of opportunity, however you may expend your Psionic focus to attune a mindblade to it's stored Augment Crystal as a free action.

Glove of Crystal Storing: this is a normal leather glove save for the fact that an Augment Crystal can be inserted into a small pouch on the back of the hand. (5 SP)
Millennium
04-18-07, 10:46 AM Normally you can't really attach stuff to a mind blade, so I'd argue that you couldn't attach an augment crystal. You could, however, attach it to a mind blade gauntlet and apply its effect to the weapon that way, since the effect of the MBG is to enhance mind blades.
Part-Human2
04-18-07, 12:03 PM Normally you can't really attach stuff to a mind blade, so I'd argue that you couldn't attach an augment crystal. You could, however, attach it to a mind blade gauntlet and apply its effect to the weapon that way, since the effect of the MBG is to enhance mind blades.

I think you're using your impression of mind blades as rules. The rules say nothing about attaching stuff to a mind blade. Mind blades are physical enough to have a hardness and hit points.

Do mind blades have a weight? Can it be disarmed? Does it do slashing weapon damage or energy damage? Does it bypass all DR like a spell? Could you tie a string around it? It's identical "in all ways (except visually) to a short sword." Can you attach an augment crystal to a short sword?
primemover003
04-18-07, 04:36 PM I think you're using your impression of mind blades as rules. The rules say nothing about attaching stuff to a mind blade. Mind blades are physical enough to have a hardness and hit points.

Do mind blades have a weight? Can it be disarmed? Does it do slashing weapon damage or energy damage? Does it bypass all DR like a spell? Could you tie a string around it? It's identical "in all ways (except visually) to a short sword." Can you attach an augment crystal to a short sword?
Can you apply an oil of Bless Weapon or Greater Magic Weapon to a Mind Blade? How about Silversheen? Can you place a Mind Blade into a Scabbard of Keen Edges or use Oil of Keen Edge on it?
Rageheart
04-18-07, 04:50 PM Can you apply an oil of Bless Weapon or Greater Magic Weapon to a Mind Blade? How about Silversheen? Can you place a Mind Blade into a Scabbard of Keen Edges or use Oil of Keen Edge on it?

Yes. :D
primemover003
04-18-07, 05:38 PM Well I guess you learn something everyday... I can't find anything that says you can or can't buff your mind blade in the FAQs or Sage Advices or Mind's Eyes.

I guess wasting an extra Move action to apply it to the blade should compensate... and I know you don't want to Throw the blade if it's got a Crystal attached!!!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Part-Human2 04-18-07, 12:03 AM	As far as I can tell you can add an Augment Crystal (MIC) to a Mind Blade. Anyone have problems with that?
primemover003 04-18-07, 12:49 AM	A Mind Blade is not an actual weapon and can't hold an Augment Crystal, neither can a Flame Blade, or the Pyrokineticist's Flame Lash. The Soulknife's Mind Blade is already balanced with abilities that can be added as you go up in levels... it's a class ability more than a piece of equipment.
calronmoonflower 04-18-07, 01:10 AM	A Mind Blade is not an actual weapon and can't hold an Augment Crystal, A mind blade acts in all ways like a short sword. That would mean that you can attack a augment crytsal, but you have to do so each time you form your blade.
Part-Human2 04-18-07, 01:34 AM	A Mind Blade is not an actual weapon and can't hold an Augment Crystal, neither can a Flame Blade, or the Pyrokineticist's Flame Lash. The Soulknife's Mind Blade is already balanced with abilities that can be added as you go up in levels... it's a class ability more than a piece of equipment. I guess I should have quoted the rules. Mind Blade (Su): As a move action, a soulknife can create a semisolid blade composed of psychic energy distilled from his own mind. The blade is identical in all ways (except visually) to a short sword of a size appropriate for its wielder. For instance, a Medium soulknife materializes a Medium mind blade that he can wield as a light weapon, and the blade deals 1d6 points of damage (crit 19-20/x2). Soulknives who are smaller or larger than Medium create mind blades identical to short swords appropriate for their size, with a corresponding change to the blade’s damage. The wielder of a mind blade gains the usual benefits to his attack roll and damage roll from a high Strength bonus. The blade can be broken (it has hardness 10 and 10 hit points); however, a soulknife can simply create another on his next move action. The moment he relinquishes his grip on his blade, it dissipates (unless he intends to throw it; see below). A mind blade is considered a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. ... As such, it seems to be an object, or more precisely a weapon. Flame Blades are immaterial. The Pyrokineticist's Flame Lash is "a 15-foot-long whip of fire" which a DM would easily also deem immaterial.
munin 04-18-07, 09:04 AM	Weapon augment crystals are designed to add flexibility to any weapon, even ones which already have weapon special abilities. I think it's perfectly valid to apply an augment crystal to a soulknife's mind blade. It's just as balanced to use them with mind blades as with any other weapon.
Bacris 04-18-07, 09:34 AM	I'd rule you'd either have to attach it every time the mind blade was manifested or that you have to have a crystal hilt.
Rageheart 04-18-07, 10:32 AM	House Rule: Augment Crystals that are housed in a Glove of Crystal Storing can be applied to mindblades manifested in that hand. (A single Augment Crystal only affects one head of Double-weapon mindblade varients.) Unfortunately, the Soulknife must reattune each time the mindblade is manifested. Attuning a mindblade to an augment crystal requires a move action, which does not provoke attacks of opportunity, however you may expend your Psionic focus to attune a mindblade to it's stored Augment Crystal as a free action. Glove of Crystal Storing: this is a normal leather glove save for the fact that an Augment Crystal can be inserted into a small pouch on the back of the hand. (5 SP)
Millennium 04-18-07, 10:46 AM	Normally you can't really attach stuff to a mind blade, so I'd argue that you couldn't attach an augment crystal. You could, however, attach it to a mind blade gauntlet and apply its effect to the weapon that way, since the effect of the MBG is to enhance mind blades.
Part-Human2 04-18-07, 12:03 PM	Normally you can't really attach stuff to a mind blade, so I'd argue that you couldn't attach an augment crystal. You could, however, attach it to a mind blade gauntlet and apply its effect to the weapon that way, since the effect of the MBG is to enhance mind blades. I think you're using your impression of mind blades as rules. The rules say nothing about attaching stuff to a mind blade. Mind blades are physical enough to have a hardness and hit points. Do mind blades have a weight? Can it be disarmed? Does it do slashing weapon damage or energy damage? Does it bypass all DR like a spell? Could you tie a string around it? It's identical "in all ways (except visually) to a short sword." Can you attach an augment crystal to a short sword?
primemover003 04-18-07, 04:36 PM	I think you're using your impression of mind blades as rules. The rules say nothing about attaching stuff to a mind blade. Mind blades are physical enough to have a hardness and hit points. Do mind blades have a weight? Can it be disarmed? Does it do slashing weapon damage or energy damage? Does it bypass all DR like a spell? Could you tie a string around it? It's identical "in all ways (except visually) to a short sword." Can you attach an augment crystal to a short sword? Can you apply an oil of Bless Weapon or Greater Magic Weapon to a Mind Blade? How about Silversheen? Can you place a Mind Blade into a Scabbard of Keen Edges or use Oil of Keen Edge on it?
Rageheart 04-18-07, 04:50 PM	Can you apply an oil of Bless Weapon or Greater Magic Weapon to a Mind Blade? How about Silversheen? Can you place a Mind Blade into a Scabbard of Keen Edges or use Oil of Keen Edge on it? Yes. :D
primemover003 04-18-07, 05:38 PM	Well I guess you learn something everyday... I can't find anything that says you can or can't buff your mind blade in the FAQs or Sage Advices or Mind's Eyes. I guess wasting an extra Move action to apply it to the blade should compensate... and I know you don't want to Throw the blade if it's got a Crystal attached!!!