Whats your fav discipline? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Whats your fav discipline? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Killer_Rabbit
12-20-07, 03:58 AM Whats you favortie psion discipline? Why is it your favourite?

For me it's the telepath. Not for any combat reasons, just like using attraction to attract dude 1 to dude 2 then use aversion the make dude 2 avoid dude 1. Then watch dude 1 chase dude 2 down the street. (really handy to use on guards if you want to break into a place.)
CrimsonDeath
12-20-07, 06:22 AM I like Psychoportation. It's everywhere you want to be.
TheKeyofE
12-20-07, 11:27 AM Didn't we just have a thread on this topic a couple months ago? I'm too lazy to check. For the record, mine is Telepathy.

And CrimsonDeath, you should make a motivator of that. Unless someone already did one, I'm too lazy to check.
InkBlot
12-20-07, 11:42 AM I'm torn between nomad and seer. On the one hand, "where do you want to go today?" On the other hand, "who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?"

Nomads can go anywhere. They give me an incredible sense of freedom, especially considering I'm just sitting at a table for 4-6 hours. Nomads also deal in a decent amount of tactical movement - positioning of allies and enemies around the battlefield. I've always preferred that over just standing in one place and hacking/blasting away.

Seers can know anything. I tend to get a little paranoid about recurring enemy NPCs, and I worry about missing clues or major plot points. So being able to see through inn room walls to make sure that Mr. McFollowus isn't listening from the other side, and being able to see into the past to make sure Mr. McOnestepahead didn't enchant the room before we got there, really helps. Besides, I just love the "psychic detective" trope. The biggest downside is that this takes a decent DM, and the right type of adventure.

For me it's the telepath. Not for any combat reasons, just like using attraction to attract dude 1 to dude 2 then use aversion the make dude 2 avoid dude 1. Then watch dude 1 chase dude 2 down the street.

Cue the yakety sax. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spz8_rpE0e0)
GuyrtheadamantineOne
12-20-07, 11:58 AM Metacreativity. If you want it, wish it.
Killer_Rabbit
12-20-07, 06:18 PM Cue the yakety sax.[/URL]

Exactly
Psionx
12-20-07, 07:05 PM I'd normally choose metacreativity because its the most powerful, but my favorite is psychoportation because you can mess with time.
Elz
12-21-07, 01:24 AM It's a toughy but... I like Telepathy.... Being immortal is kind of nice.
MindFlayerZoidberg
12-21-07, 01:51 AM Metamorphosis . . . I really like Kafka.
Lycanthromancer
12-21-07, 01:31 PM Thrallherd. . . I really like Kefka.
http://www.doupe.cz/vaulty/finalfantasy/pictures/ff6kefka.jpgFixed. :P
MindFlayerZoidberg
12-21-07, 04:07 PM Haha, nice.
Suspect_Unusual
12-21-07, 04:30 PM I truly, honestly don't have a favorite discipline. I have too wide a range of preferred roles and character concepts to prefer one discipline over another.

When choosing between 27 barrels of Awesome and a tanker full of Sweeeeeeet, there's no wrong answer.
hovnarr
12-21-07, 07:22 PM I used to have Egoist as my favorite with Shaper coming close, but now I'm a Seer convert!

With EK cherry picks, research and paying for Chirurgery, a high level psion could have any power. So what it comes down to is low level power selection and class skills.

Seer and Telepath are the skill winners. Looking at level 1-2 powers, I'd say Seer is best. Telepath is too redundant. Shaper, Egoist and Kineticist powers are better at higher levels than when you get them, and then you can EK them anyway. Clairvoyant Sense is something you want a.s.a.p. though - solves SO many problems.

Seer is powerful and versatile at low levels when it matters, and has high Spot and Listen to show for the discipline choice at high levels.

But like Suspect says - all are good. You can also make cool combos with all disciplines. How about a Nomad with EK: Astral Construct who swaps wounded allies with fresh crystalline recruits? There's someone you do not want to grapple, because you'll soon find yourself grappling something a lot less cuddly.
Wizard Random
12-21-07, 07:52 PM In 3.0 Telepathy was the shizzle, but in 3.5 Metacreativity is one discipline I can't do without. The Astral construct power allows you to fufill any role (if you are so inclined) and stuff like Astral Seed makes sure I can come back after my party members kill me.
CrimsonDeath
12-21-07, 11:32 PM Fixed. :P

Kefka wasn't a Thrallherd. He was Pun-Pun.
archerpwr
12-21-07, 11:37 PM Psychometabolism: I think, therefore I'm it.
Starless
12-22-07, 02:29 AM I've always liked the Nomad. It's a shame giving them good Dexterity's silly, now, as that was part of what I liked about them (and 3.0 Psionics in general).

They could use some better Discipline powers though--why they get Teleport and not Greater Teleport I'll never know.
CrimsonDeath
12-22-07, 04:01 AM I've always liked the Nomad. It's a shame giving them good Dexterity's silly, now, as that was part of what I liked about them (and 3.0 Psionics in general).

It's not all that silly. It helps their AC and ranged attack rolls. The only time dumping Dex is a no-brainer is when you have heavy armor.
Zippis
12-22-07, 09:23 AM Clairsentience/Seer ... Low-level powers like Clairvoyant Sense, Object Reading, Sensitivity to Psychic Impressions ... with good DM (I don't mean DM protecting you and helping you, but running fair and full campaigns) you can prepare ahead, you can find clues, you can have INFORMATIONs ... and informations are power :) ... ok, anyway ... in combat-by-combat style of play you will be a little bit ... ehm :). Just pack Control Light to protect yourself ;)
I mean - killing monstres is also funny, but there will be always other players hungry to do that job. I like to fill gaps in the party structure and be The Usefull One
hovnarr
12-22-07, 11:15 AM As a seer, I pick up Matter Agitation at level 1, and stay in the back enjoying the best armor and shield I can afford. At level 3, Burrowing Power and Clairvoyant Sense comes in for a devastating combo. Fry enemies in the next room without even opening the door!
MindFlayerZoidberg
12-22-07, 02:03 PM Psychometabolism: I think, therefore I'm badass.

:P
archerpwr
12-22-07, 02:30 PM :P

Nice.
Arco Versipellis
12-22-07, 11:15 PM I agree with the psychoportation and clairestience is a tough call. I like either one, especailly when I go gestalt, because I like to focus more on a single discipline of psionics that way.

In the end, psychoportation.
Lycanthromancer
12-25-07, 12:03 AM For me, it really depends on the character. If I'm playing the party tank, it's psychometabolism - metamorphosis'd psicrystal for the win! Otherwise, it's generally metacreativity. I can squeeze more win out of that discipline than every other discipline put together (though I'd like to think that I've added some really nifty options with my revision - such as animate object and continuum facade; makes the other psions happy :) ).
Wizard Random
12-27-07, 07:41 AM Otherwise, it's generally metacreativity.

Great minds think alike
Nabuchadnezzar
12-27-07, 12:25 PM Before CPsi: Metacreativity (Astral construct, creation and cocoons!)
After CPsi: Psychometabolism (maybe better than a cleric at healing! Metamorphosis rocks)
Lionhearted
12-27-07, 12:45 PM Telepathy without doubt, why kill someone when you can force his to his knees praying to serve.
Elsewise, Clairsentience most of my GM's think im to evil as an Telepath :D
CrimsonDeath
12-27-07, 08:10 PM Telepathy without doubt, why kill someone when you can force his to his knees praying to serve.
Unless he's the one critter out of five who's immune to mind-affecting effects.
The_Mess
12-27-07, 10:37 PM If you can't control him, control someone else and make them fight him!
Lionhearted
12-28-07, 12:08 PM If you can't control him, control someone else and make them fight him!

"you two! fight to the death" - stewie griffin
CrimsonDeath
12-29-07, 12:09 AM "you two! fight to the death" - stewie griffin

*cue Star Trek fight music*
anarchy1973
12-29-07, 07:22 AM Have played a Kineticist to L30, but his saving grace was a DM who allowed researching powers. Kineticists are much more than blasting, but my favorite would definately be the Egoist, have only played one, which was as a gish, but new campaign starting in new year will play a straight Egoist, should run to EPIC as well.
Lycanthromancer
12-29-07, 12:15 PM Start taking metamind at level 21. It's epic lose at <20, but epic win >20. :)
archerpwr
12-29-07, 12:21 PM Start taking metamind at level 21. It's epic lose at <20, but epic win >20. :)

Compared to epic expanded knowledge, I'm not sure. Maybe if you start at level 30 and don't have to play through it.
anarchy1973
12-30-07, 05:52 AM Good advice, but I think I'll just keep on plodding as a straight Psion next time, I'm sort of getting sick of taking Prestige classes, however that being said the Anarchic Initiate looks all win, no loss of manifestor level, lose 2 feats gain higher BAB & not too shabby class features ... Maybe an option.
Subtle
12-30-07, 01:17 PM I definitly enjoy playing a shaper. Astral Construct is simply the most fun ability in the game.
Lycanthromancer
12-30-07, 02:20 PM Mebbe you should try multiclassing as, say, a wilder? You get additional power points (unlike staying straight psion), you can add to your psion manifester level (through wild surge), can qualify immediately for anarchic initiate to add to your wilder's ML, and can still use your feats for epic level feats. All the better if you're using the Educated Wilder Variant. :)
Nabuchadnezzar
12-30-07, 02:44 PM Anarchic initiate requires several rank in knowledge (the planes), and that's cross class for the wilder.
Actually it's easier to enter anarchic initiate as a psion.
Lycanthromancer
12-30-07, 02:54 PM I'm saying: go to level 20 as a psion, then take a few levels of wilder, then go anarchic initiate.
NightBreeze
12-30-07, 03:10 PM Psychoportation for me. The only thing in 3.5 that allows a good time control :P
Solstysse
12-30-07, 06:29 PM Psychometablism..."Oh you can hit me?" *poof heal, poof change* "Can you hit me now? Nope. Muuuuch Better."
Orihalconis
12-31-07, 12:21 AM I must be the only other Kineticist fan here. I played a Kineticist back when the XPH first came out, was one of the more devastating DDs in the party, and we had a wizard.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Killer_Rabbit 12-20-07, 03:58 AM	Whats you favortie psion discipline? Why is it your favourite? For me it's the telepath. Not for any combat reasons, just like using attraction to attract dude 1 to dude 2 then use aversion the make dude 2 avoid dude 1. Then watch dude 1 chase dude 2 down the street. (really handy to use on guards if you want to break into a place.)
CrimsonDeath 12-20-07, 06:22 AM	I like Psychoportation. It's everywhere you want to be.
TheKeyofE 12-20-07, 11:27 AM	Didn't we just have a thread on this topic a couple months ago? I'm too lazy to check. For the record, mine is Telepathy. And CrimsonDeath, you should make a motivator of that. Unless someone already did one, I'm too lazy to check.
InkBlot 12-20-07, 11:42 AM	I'm torn between nomad and seer. On the one hand, "where do you want to go today?" On the other hand, "who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" Nomads can go anywhere. They give me an incredible sense of freedom, especially considering I'm just sitting at a table for 4-6 hours. Nomads also deal in a decent amount of tactical movement - positioning of allies and enemies around the battlefield. I've always preferred that over just standing in one place and hacking/blasting away. Seers can know anything. I tend to get a little paranoid about recurring enemy NPCs, and I worry about missing clues or major plot points. So being able to see through inn room walls to make sure that Mr. McFollowus isn't listening from the other side, and being able to see into the past to make sure Mr. McOnestepahead didn't enchant the room before we got there, really helps. Besides, I just love the "psychic detective" trope. The biggest downside is that this takes a decent DM, and the right type of adventure. For me it's the telepath. Not for any combat reasons, just like using attraction to attract dude 1 to dude 2 then use aversion the make dude 2 avoid dude 1. Then watch dude 1 chase dude 2 down the street. Cue the yakety sax. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spz8_rpE0e0)
GuyrtheadamantineOne 12-20-07, 11:58 AM	Metacreativity. If you want it, wish it.
Killer_Rabbit 12-20-07, 06:18 PM	Cue the yakety sax.[/URL] Exactly
Psionx 12-20-07, 07:05 PM	I'd normally choose metacreativity because its the most powerful, but my favorite is psychoportation because you can mess with time.
Elz 12-21-07, 01:24 AM	It's a toughy but... I like Telepathy.... Being immortal is kind of nice.
MindFlayerZoidberg 12-21-07, 01:51 AM	Metamorphosis . . . I really like Kafka.
Lycanthromancer 12-21-07, 01:31 PM	Thrallherd. . . I really like Kefka. http://www.doupe.cz/vaulty/finalfantasy/pictures/ff6kefka.jpgFixed. :P
MindFlayerZoidberg 12-21-07, 04:07 PM	Haha, nice.
Suspect_Unusual 12-21-07, 04:30 PM	I truly, honestly don't have a favorite discipline. I have too wide a range of preferred roles and character concepts to prefer one discipline over another. When choosing between 27 barrels of Awesome and a tanker full of Sweeeeeeet, there's no wrong answer.
hovnarr 12-21-07, 07:22 PM	I used to have Egoist as my favorite with Shaper coming close, but now I'm a Seer convert! With EK cherry picks, research and paying for Chirurgery, a high level psion could have any power. So what it comes down to is low level power selection and class skills. Seer and Telepath are the skill winners. Looking at level 1-2 powers, I'd say Seer is best. Telepath is too redundant. Shaper, Egoist and Kineticist powers are better at higher levels than when you get them, and then you can EK them anyway. Clairvoyant Sense is something you want a.s.a.p. though - solves SO many problems. Seer is powerful and versatile at low levels when it matters, and has high Spot and Listen to show for the discipline choice at high levels. But like Suspect says - all are good. You can also make cool combos with all disciplines. How about a Nomad with EK: Astral Construct who swaps wounded allies with fresh crystalline recruits? There's someone you do not want to grapple, because you'll soon find yourself grappling something a lot less cuddly.
Wizard Random 12-21-07, 07:52 PM	In 3.0 Telepathy was the shizzle, but in 3.5 Metacreativity is one discipline I can't do without. The Astral construct power allows you to fufill any role (if you are so inclined) and stuff like Astral Seed makes sure I can come back after my party members kill me.
CrimsonDeath 12-21-07, 11:32 PM	Fixed. :P Kefka wasn't a Thrallherd. He was Pun-Pun.
archerpwr 12-21-07, 11:37 PM	Psychometabolism: I think, therefore I'm it.
Starless 12-22-07, 02:29 AM	I've always liked the Nomad. It's a shame giving them good Dexterity's silly, now, as that was part of what I liked about them (and 3.0 Psionics in general). They could use some better Discipline powers though--why they get Teleport and not Greater Teleport I'll never know.
CrimsonDeath 12-22-07, 04:01 AM	I've always liked the Nomad. It's a shame giving them good Dexterity's silly, now, as that was part of what I liked about them (and 3.0 Psionics in general). It's not all that silly. It helps their AC and ranged attack rolls. The only time dumping Dex is a no-brainer is when you have heavy armor.
Zippis 12-22-07, 09:23 AM	Clairsentience/Seer ... Low-level powers like Clairvoyant Sense, Object Reading, Sensitivity to Psychic Impressions ... with good DM (I don't mean DM protecting you and helping you, but running fair and full campaigns) you can prepare ahead, you can find clues, you can have INFORMATIONs ... and informations are power :) ... ok, anyway ... in combat-by-combat style of play you will be a little bit ... ehm :). Just pack Control Light to protect yourself ;) I mean - killing monstres is also funny, but there will be always other players hungry to do that job. I like to fill gaps in the party structure and be The Usefull One
hovnarr 12-22-07, 11:15 AM	As a seer, I pick up Matter Agitation at level 1, and stay in the back enjoying the best armor and shield I can afford. At level 3, Burrowing Power and Clairvoyant Sense comes in for a devastating combo. Fry enemies in the next room without even opening the door!
MindFlayerZoidberg 12-22-07, 02:03 PM	Psychometabolism: I think, therefore I'm badass. :P
archerpwr 12-22-07, 02:30 PM	:P Nice.
Arco Versipellis 12-22-07, 11:15 PM	I agree with the psychoportation and clairestience is a tough call. I like either one, especailly when I go gestalt, because I like to focus more on a single discipline of psionics that way. In the end, psychoportation.
Lycanthromancer 12-25-07, 12:03 AM	For me, it really depends on the character. If I'm playing the party tank, it's psychometabolism - metamorphosis'd psicrystal for the win! Otherwise, it's generally metacreativity. I can squeeze more win out of that discipline than every other discipline put together (though I'd like to think that I've added some really nifty options with my revision - such as animate object and continuum facade; makes the other psions happy :) ).
Wizard Random 12-27-07, 07:41 AM	Otherwise, it's generally metacreativity. Great minds think alike
Nabuchadnezzar 12-27-07, 12:25 PM	Before CPsi: Metacreativity (Astral construct, creation and cocoons!) After CPsi: Psychometabolism (maybe better than a cleric at healing! Metamorphosis rocks)
Lionhearted 12-27-07, 12:45 PM	Telepathy without doubt, why kill someone when you can force his to his knees praying to serve. Elsewise, Clairsentience most of my GM's think im to evil as an Telepath :D
CrimsonDeath 12-27-07, 08:10 PM	Telepathy without doubt, why kill someone when you can force his to his knees praying to serve. Unless he's the one critter out of five who's immune to mind-affecting effects.
The_Mess 12-27-07, 10:37 PM	If you can't control him, control someone else and make them fight him!
Lionhearted 12-28-07, 12:08 PM	If you can't control him, control someone else and make them fight him! "you two! fight to the death" - stewie griffin
CrimsonDeath 12-29-07, 12:09 AM	"you two! fight to the death" - stewie griffin cue Star Trek fight music
anarchy1973 12-29-07, 07:22 AM	Have played a Kineticist to L30, but his saving grace was a DM who allowed researching powers. Kineticists are much more than blasting, but my favorite would definately be the Egoist, have only played one, which was as a gish, but new campaign starting in new year will play a straight Egoist, should run to EPIC as well.
Lycanthromancer 12-29-07, 12:15 PM	Start taking metamind at level 21. It's epic lose at <20, but epic win >20. :)
archerpwr 12-29-07, 12:21 PM	Start taking metamind at level 21. It's epic lose at <20, but epic win >20. :) Compared to epic expanded knowledge, I'm not sure. Maybe if you start at level 30 and don't have to play through it.
anarchy1973 12-30-07, 05:52 AM	Good advice, but I think I'll just keep on plodding as a straight Psion next time, I'm sort of getting sick of taking Prestige classes, however that being said the Anarchic Initiate looks all win, no loss of manifestor level, lose 2 feats gain higher BAB & not too shabby class features ... Maybe an option.
Subtle 12-30-07, 01:17 PM	I definitly enjoy playing a shaper. Astral Construct is simply the most fun ability in the game.
Lycanthromancer 12-30-07, 02:20 PM	Mebbe you should try multiclassing as, say, a wilder? You get additional power points (unlike staying straight psion), you can add to your psion manifester level (through wild surge), can qualify immediately for anarchic initiate to add to your wilder's ML, and can still use your feats for epic level feats. All the better if you're using the Educated Wilder Variant. :)
Nabuchadnezzar 12-30-07, 02:44 PM	Anarchic initiate requires several rank in knowledge (the planes), and that's cross class for the wilder. Actually it's easier to enter anarchic initiate as a psion.
Lycanthromancer 12-30-07, 02:54 PM	I'm saying: go to level 20 as a psion, then take a few levels of wilder, then go anarchic initiate.
NightBreeze 12-30-07, 03:10 PM	Psychoportation for me. The only thing in 3.5 that allows a good time control :P
Solstysse 12-30-07, 06:29 PM	Psychometablism..."Oh you can hit me?" poof heal, poof change "Can you hit me now? Nope. Muuuuch Better."
Orihalconis 12-31-07, 12:21 AM	I must be the only other Kineticist fan here. I played a Kineticist back when the XPH first came out, was one of the more devastating DDs in the party, and we had a wizard.