Wild Surge Questions. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Wild Surge Questions. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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narfi78
06-13-07, 11:48 AM While I've been a Psionics fan for a while, only now am I getting the chance to play a psionic character. I've decided to play a Wilder, but I have some questions about Wild Surge.

1) Does the Wild Surge augment the power to full for free, or just by an amount equal to the strength of the Wild Surge?

2) Can a Wild Surge pay for Meta-Psionic feats, or just for the augmentation written into the power description?

Thanks

Also, I'm interested in the Anarchic Initiate. Obviously, the written requirements are messed up. What's the common house rule? Knowledge: the Planes 4 ranks?
Tempest Stormwind
06-13-07, 12:57 PM While I've been a Psionics fan for a while, only now am I getting the chance to play a psionic character. I've decided to play a Wilder, but I have some questions about Wild Surge.

1) Does the Wild Surge augment the power to full for free, or just by an amount equal to the strength of the Wild Surge?

2) Can a Wild Surge pay for Meta-Psionic feats, or just for the augmentation written into the power description?

Thanks

If I Wild Surge +6, my ML is boosted by 6 for that manifestation, and it takes effect as if I'd spent 6 extra power points on it. Essentially, a 1pp energy ray Wild Surged to +6 deals 7d6 damage for 1pp (plus a chance of enervation).

As written, it only applies to augmentation, but since you aren't paying for the surge's ML boost in power points, you've got room to fit in the metapsi effect and still come out ahead, provided you surge for at least the metapsi's cost. (I.e. Wild Surge +2 lets you extend a power you wouldn't normally be able to at the same power level it would normally take effect at.)
The_Ditto
06-13-07, 01:38 PM In addition to what TS posted .. just wanted to provide what I think is a clearer example:

Let's look at Force Screen:

Force Screen
Psychokinesis [Force]
Level: Psion/wilder 1, psychic warrior 1
Display: Auditory
Manifesting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 min./level
Power Points: 1
You create an invisible mobile disk of force that hovers in front of you. The force screen provides a +4 shield bonus to Armor Class (which applies against incorporeal touch attacks, since the force screen is a force effect). Since it hovers in front of you, the effect has no armor check penalty associated with it.
Augment: For every 4 additional power points you spend, the shield bonus to Armor Class improves by 1.

And we'll use a level 4 wilder. (has +2 wild surge).

Normally - without wild surge, this wilder can spend only 4 pp, that's only enough for the base 1pp = +4 shield bonus.

With Wild Surge, however, he can choose to increase his manifester level by up to +2 .. (so +0, +1 or +2).

So now he could choose one of the following options:
Wild surge +0 => spend 1 pp => get +4 shield bonus (1pp + no augment)
Wild surge +1 => spend 4 pp => get +5 shield bonus (1pp + 4 augment (-1pp wild surge) = 4pp)
Wild surge +2 => spend 3 pp => get +5 shield bonus (1pp + 4 augment (-2pp wild surge) = 3pp)

:tiphat:

as for Anarchic initiate .. yeah, that's the "simplest" way ... some people add some pre-req to "visit limbo" or other such RPing requirement ... talk to your DM ...
;)
narfi78
06-13-07, 02:17 PM Thanks. That's what I figured, but the way it was written wasn't entirely clear.

About AI, I definately will be talking to him about it. Unfortunately, this campaign will consist entirely of Dungeon adventures and it's doubtful to include trips to Limbo.
The_Ditto
06-14-07, 07:55 AM it's doubtful to include trips to Limbo.

".. or areas of pure chaos" .. I think was the additional clause he added ... (can't remember who penned it, really .. sorry .. :eek: )

Maybe find yourself something like a rod/wand of wonder, or deck of many things, or something .. "chaotic" .. and .. uh ... "involve yourself" ... :love:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
narfi78 06-13-07, 11:48 AM	While I've been a Psionics fan for a while, only now am I getting the chance to play a psionic character. I've decided to play a Wilder, but I have some questions about Wild Surge. 1) Does the Wild Surge augment the power to full for free, or just by an amount equal to the strength of the Wild Surge? 2) Can a Wild Surge pay for Meta-Psionic feats, or just for the augmentation written into the power description? Thanks Also, I'm interested in the Anarchic Initiate. Obviously, the written requirements are messed up. What's the common house rule? Knowledge: the Planes 4 ranks?
Tempest Stormwind 06-13-07, 12:57 PM	While I've been a Psionics fan for a while, only now am I getting the chance to play a psionic character. I've decided to play a Wilder, but I have some questions about Wild Surge. 1) Does the Wild Surge augment the power to full for free, or just by an amount equal to the strength of the Wild Surge? 2) Can a Wild Surge pay for Meta-Psionic feats, or just for the augmentation written into the power description? Thanks If I Wild Surge +6, my ML is boosted by 6 for that manifestation, and it takes effect as if I'd spent 6 extra power points on it. Essentially, a 1pp energy ray Wild Surged to +6 deals 7d6 damage for 1pp (plus a chance of enervation). As written, it only applies to augmentation, but since you aren't paying for the surge's ML boost in power points, you've got room to fit in the metapsi effect and still come out ahead, provided you surge for at least the metapsi's cost. (I.e. Wild Surge +2 lets you extend a power you wouldn't normally be able to at the same power level it would normally take effect at.)
The_Ditto 06-13-07, 01:38 PM	In addition to what TS posted .. just wanted to provide what I think is a clearer example: Let's look at Force Screen: Force Screen Psychokinesis [Force] Level: Psion/wilder 1, psychic warrior 1 Display: Auditory Manifesting Time: 1 standard action Range: Personal Target: You Duration: 1 min./level Power Points: 1 You create an invisible mobile disk of force that hovers in front of you. The force screen provides a +4 shield bonus to Armor Class (which applies against incorporeal touch attacks, since the force screen is a force effect). Since it hovers in front of you, the effect has no armor check penalty associated with it. Augment: For every 4 additional power points you spend, the shield bonus to Armor Class improves by 1. And we'll use a level 4 wilder. (has +2 wild surge). Normally - without wild surge, this wilder can spend only 4 pp, that's only enough for the base 1pp = +4 shield bonus. With Wild Surge, however, he can choose to increase his manifester level by up to +2 .. (so +0, +1 or +2). So now he could choose one of the following options: Wild surge +0 => spend 1 pp => get +4 shield bonus (1pp + no augment) Wild surge +1 => spend 4 pp => get +5 shield bonus (1pp + 4 augment (-1pp wild surge) = 4pp) Wild surge +2 => spend 3 pp => get +5 shield bonus (1pp + 4 augment (-2pp wild surge) = 3pp) :tiphat: as for Anarchic initiate .. yeah, that's the "simplest" way ... some people add some pre-req to "visit limbo" or other such RPing requirement ... talk to your DM ... ;)
narfi78 06-13-07, 02:17 PM	Thanks. That's what I figured, but the way it was written wasn't entirely clear. About AI, I definately will be talking to him about it. Unfortunately, this campaign will consist entirely of Dungeon adventures and it's doubtful to include trips to Limbo.
The_Ditto 06-14-07, 07:55 AM	it's doubtful to include trips to Limbo. ".. or areas of pure chaos" .. I think was the additional clause he added ... (can't remember who penned it, really .. sorry .. :eek: ) Maybe find yourself something like a rod/wand of wonder, or deck of many things, or something .. "chaotic" .. and .. uh ... "involve yourself" ... :love: