Adjustment for Derro? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Adjustment for Derro? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
sd-einsatzgruppen
10-14-07, 12:26 PM For some odd reason the Derro didn't make it into the Savage Species book and I have a player wanting to build one.
Has anyone cooked up the ECL and class adjustment for Derro?
nighttree
10-14-07, 01:47 PM It's in the MM, page 49.
ECL 5 for a "sane" Derro (3 racial HD +2 LA)
sd-einsatzgruppen
10-14-07, 10:32 PM Thanks.
But I knew were to find the monster info on the Derro! ;)

Only a level adjustment of two? With all those spell-like abilities, imbalanced stats, and other perks I would think they would rate higher. Or does that crippling ""sunlight kills them" thing balance that out?

Oh yes...and my player is wanting to play a "pure" or non-insane Derro.
Sounds like a good way to wreck havoc to me...
zeratulcraft
10-14-07, 10:41 PM The LA+2 and the Racial HD balance it out.
BugHunter
10-14-07, 11:44 PM A sane Derro gets dex +4, con +2, plus the other abilities are not any more powerful than a drow. The taking of con damage when exposed to sunlight is a big enough balancing factor unless your campaign is an Underdark setting.
Taureus_Drakken
10-15-07, 01:08 AM There's a feat in one of the books, LoM IIRC...That let's you lessen the penalties for having any sort of weakness to the sun.

I am AFB, so if anyone can think of the book, that would be great.

Otherwise, I don't think a Derro would make a very good PC...The whole insanity is kind of an issue, unless the party is evil, or the DM is lax in controlling the insanity...

Just my two cents.

¬Taureus¬
nighttree
10-15-07, 11:15 AM Otherwise, I don't think a Derro would make a very good PC...The whole insanity is kind of an issue, unless the party is evil, or the DM is lax in controlling the insanity...

Just my two cents.

¬Taureus¬

"Insane" Derro (the ones with the +6 Charisma/-6 Wisdom) are not a player option ;)
Only if they are "sane" can they be used as a PC.
Taureus_Drakken
10-15-07, 05:36 PM But that's what makes them so much fun!!;)

I know you "can't" have an insane derro for a PC, but as a DM I would allow it. The insanity could become quite interesting depending on the campaign.

When I had said I didn't think an insane derro wouldn't make a good PC, I was only saying that the insanity would need to be worked out with a DM...Some DMs wouldn't mind doing so.

¬Taureus¬
sd-einsatzgruppen
10-15-07, 05:44 PM "Insane" Derro (the ones with the +6 Charisma/-6 Wisdom) are not a player option ;)
Only if they are "sane" can they be used as a PC.

Is that an official ruling that I am missing somewere or are you simply basing this on their absence from the Savage Species book?
nighttree
10-15-07, 09:17 PM It's based off of the entry in the MM.
Anything that has an entry of "level adjustment -" is supposed to be out for PC characters (see page 7, 2nd to the last entry in your MM).

Having said that, like Taureus_Drakken, I would probably allow it as a DM.
Provided the player could convince me he was capable of REALLY playing the character that crazy (Insane Derro warmage go BOOM BOOM).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
sd-einsatzgruppen 10-14-07, 12:26 PM	For some odd reason the Derro didn't make it into the Savage Species book and I have a player wanting to build one. Has anyone cooked up the ECL and class adjustment for Derro?
nighttree 10-14-07, 01:47 PM	It's in the MM, page 49. ECL 5 for a "sane" Derro (3 racial HD +2 LA)
sd-einsatzgruppen 10-14-07, 10:32 PM	Thanks. But I knew were to find the monster info on the Derro! ;) Only a level adjustment of two? With all those spell-like abilities, imbalanced stats, and other perks I would think they would rate higher. Or does that crippling ""sunlight kills them" thing balance that out? Oh yes...and my player is wanting to play a "pure" or non-insane Derro. Sounds like a good way to wreck havoc to me...
zeratulcraft 10-14-07, 10:41 PM	The LA+2 and the Racial HD balance it out.
BugHunter 10-14-07, 11:44 PM	A sane Derro gets dex +4, con +2, plus the other abilities are not any more powerful than a drow. The taking of con damage when exposed to sunlight is a big enough balancing factor unless your campaign is an Underdark setting.
Taureus_Drakken 10-15-07, 01:08 AM	There's a feat in one of the books, LoM IIRC...That let's you lessen the penalties for having any sort of weakness to the sun. I am AFB, so if anyone can think of the book, that would be great. Otherwise, I don't think a Derro would make a very good PC...The whole insanity is kind of an issue, unless the party is evil, or the DM is lax in controlling the insanity... Just my two cents. ¬Taureus¬
nighttree 10-15-07, 11:15 AM	Otherwise, I don't think a Derro would make a very good PC...The whole insanity is kind of an issue, unless the party is evil, or the DM is lax in controlling the insanity... Just my two cents. ¬Taureus¬ "Insane" Derro (the ones with the +6 Charisma/-6 Wisdom) are not a player option ;) Only if they are "sane" can they be used as a PC.
Taureus_Drakken 10-15-07, 05:36 PM	But that's what makes them so much fun!!;) I know you "can't" have an insane derro for a PC, but as a DM I would allow it. The insanity could become quite interesting depending on the campaign. When I had said I didn't think an insane derro wouldn't make a good PC, I was only saying that the insanity would need to be worked out with a DM...Some DMs wouldn't mind doing so. ¬Taureus¬
sd-einsatzgruppen 10-15-07, 05:44 PM	"Insane" Derro (the ones with the +6 Charisma/-6 Wisdom) are not a player option ;) Only if they are "sane" can they be used as a PC. Is that an official ruling that I am missing somewere or are you simply basing this on their absence from the Savage Species book?
nighttree 10-15-07, 09:17 PM	It's based off of the entry in the MM. Anything that has an entry of "level adjustment -" is supposed to be out for PC characters (see page 7, 2nd to the last entry in your MM). Having said that, like Taureus_Drakken, I would probably allow it as a DM. Provided the player could convince me he was capable of REALLY playing the character that crazy (Insane Derro warmage go BOOM BOOM).