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FuriousFoxTheShinobi
08-11-07, 08:16 PM MM 1
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Can some1 tell me how to make a Archon Character if its possibel, I know there is a Archon Hound, but if you read the Archon part who is at the beginning pages of MM you should be able to make a other kind of Archon, Please some1 help me out with this

Greetings:
Fox
Rerecros
08-11-07, 08:28 PM You want to be a trumpet archon?
They have 12 racial HD and a +8 LA.
so they start with level 20 characters.
their ability scores.
Str +10, Dex +6, Con +12, Int +6, Wis +6, Cha +6
because all non-humanoids have 10s and elevens for their base scores.
11s when odd, 10s when even.
FuriousFoxTheShinobi
08-11-07, 09:03 PM No,

I wanne make a Archon Character "not 1 that is already in the books, Is this possibel ..How?
Thomar_of_Uointer
08-11-07, 09:26 PM No,

I wanne make a Archon Character "not 1 that is already in the books, Is this possibel ..How?

Yeah, it's possible, but you have to get into homebrewed rules. Nothing I know of allows you to play any sort of real celestial creature at a playable Level Adjustment. See if your DM will allow this:
http://kobolds-keep.net/Progressions.pdf

What exactly do you mean by "archon"? Do you mean any sort of Lawful Good outsider, or do you mean a playable version of one of the archons in the Monster Manual?
Rerecros
08-11-07, 09:28 PM Oh kay...
What ECL are you looking at?
What are it's basic abilities?
What does it look like?
What is it's place in Celestia/Shavarath/Heaven?
FuriousFoxTheShinobi
08-11-07, 09:29 PM Read in MM the Archon Just Archon , Not Archon Hound or something just Archon
.. That

But that as a sort of template or whatever.
dont know xD
sensestaker
08-11-07, 09:32 PM Are you talking about making a race to play as a PC that has all of the Archon traits from page 16 of the MM with the lowest possible ECL?

If you take a 1 hd outsider with human ability scores and gave it all the Archon traits, you're still looking at an LA of at least +3, so you couldn't play it with any sort of balance until level 4 (unless everyone else was also playing PC's with roughly equal LA's and you all averaged out) and even at level 4 you wouldn't want to play such a char, since who wants to be level 4 with only 1 hd?

Realistically, even the lowest level playable homebrew Archon wouldn't make a viable char until at least level 8 or so.

If this level of play works into your plans, I'd suggest attempting to stat out a new race of Archon, then post it either here, or better yet, in the Monster's Lair as a PEACH.
Thomar_of_Uointer
08-11-07, 10:25 PM Read in MM the Archon Just Archon , Not Archon Hound or something just Archon
.. That

But that as a sort of template or whatever.
dont know xD

Ah, so you're looking to play something with just the archon traits? I wouldn't treat it as a template, I'd probably make a generic archon race and use that. So...

Archon
Medium Outsider (Good, Lawful)
Darkvision 60'
Aura of Menace (Su): Any creature hostile to an archon within 20' of it must make a Will save (DC 10 + Cha mod + level) or suffer a -2 penalty to attack, AC, and saving throws for 24 hours or until they successfully hit the archon. If the effect is resisted or broken by hitting the archon, the creature cannot be affected again by the same archon for 24 hours.
Immunity to electricity and petrification.
+4 racial bonus on saves against poison.
Permanent magic circle against evil, caster level equal to level.
Greater teleport at will, CL 14. The archon can only transport itself and up to 50 pounds of objects.
Permanent tongues, CL 14.

Geh. Those spell-like abilities are tough. I'd have to put it at LA +6 for all of this, but that makes it woefully unplayable due to the low hit points and lack of damage reduction. A monster with abilities like this needs racial Hit Dice to be playable, but Outsider Hit Dice are better than most, and don't balance out LA very well (meaning you have to add a lot of them to get the LA down to a manageable level). I'd skip the hassle of making a weak race and go with the hound archon, as it is the low-end playable archon.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
FuriousFoxTheShinobi 08-11-07, 08:16 PM	MM 1 --- Can some1 tell me how to make a Archon Character if its possibel, I know there is a Archon Hound, but if you read the Archon part who is at the beginning pages of MM you should be able to make a other kind of Archon, Please some1 help me out with this Greetings: Fox
Rerecros 08-11-07, 08:28 PM	You want to be a trumpet archon? They have 12 racial HD and a +8 LA. so they start with level 20 characters. their ability scores. Str +10, Dex +6, Con +12, Int +6, Wis +6, Cha +6 because all non-humanoids have 10s and elevens for their base scores. 11s when odd, 10s when even.
FuriousFoxTheShinobi 08-11-07, 09:03 PM	No, I wanne make a Archon Character "not 1 that is already in the books, Is this possibel ..How?
Thomar_of_Uointer 08-11-07, 09:26 PM	No, I wanne make a Archon Character "not 1 that is already in the books, Is this possibel ..How? Yeah, it's possible, but you have to get into homebrewed rules. Nothing I know of allows you to play any sort of real celestial creature at a playable Level Adjustment. See if your DM will allow this: http://kobolds-keep.net/Progressions.pdf What exactly do you mean by "archon"? Do you mean any sort of Lawful Good outsider, or do you mean a playable version of one of the archons in the Monster Manual?
Rerecros 08-11-07, 09:28 PM	Oh kay... What ECL are you looking at? What are it's basic abilities? What does it look like? What is it's place in Celestia/Shavarath/Heaven?
FuriousFoxTheShinobi 08-11-07, 09:29 PM	Read in MM the Archon Just Archon , Not Archon Hound or something just Archon .. That But that as a sort of template or whatever. dont know xD
sensestaker 08-11-07, 09:32 PM	Are you talking about making a race to play as a PC that has all of the Archon traits from page 16 of the MM with the lowest possible ECL? If you take a 1 hd outsider with human ability scores and gave it all the Archon traits, you're still looking at an LA of at least +3, so you couldn't play it with any sort of balance until level 4 (unless everyone else was also playing PC's with roughly equal LA's and you all averaged out) and even at level 4 you wouldn't want to play such a char, since who wants to be level 4 with only 1 hd? Realistically, even the lowest level playable homebrew Archon wouldn't make a viable char until at least level 8 or so. If this level of play works into your plans, I'd suggest attempting to stat out a new race of Archon, then post it either here, or better yet, in the Monster's Lair as a PEACH.
Thomar_of_Uointer 08-11-07, 10:25 PM	Read in MM the Archon Just Archon , Not Archon Hound or something just Archon .. That But that as a sort of template or whatever. dont know xD Ah, so you're looking to play something with just the archon traits? I wouldn't treat it as a template, I'd probably make a generic archon race and use that. So... Archon Medium Outsider (Good, Lawful) Darkvision 60' Aura of Menace (Su): Any creature hostile to an archon within 20' of it must make a Will save (DC 10 + Cha mod + level) or suffer a -2 penalty to attack, AC, and saving throws for 24 hours or until they successfully hit the archon. If the effect is resisted or broken by hitting the archon, the creature cannot be affected again by the same archon for 24 hours. Immunity to electricity and petrification. +4 racial bonus on saves against poison. Permanent magic circle against evil, caster level equal to level. Greater teleport at will, CL 14. The archon can only transport itself and up to 50 pounds of objects. Permanent tongues, CL 14. Geh. Those spell-like abilities are tough. I'd have to put it at LA +6 for all of this, but that makes it woefully unplayable due to the low hit points and lack of damage reduction. A monster with abilities like this needs racial Hit Dice to be playable, but Outsider Hit Dice are better than most, and don't balance out LA very well (meaning you have to add a lot of them to get the LA down to a manageable level). I'd skip the hassle of making a weak race and go with the hound archon, as it is the low-end playable archon.