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Soceus 06-01-07, 12:28 AM	Me (as a dm), and this player have worked out a race seeing if it's balanced, basing it off other races and seeing how it works, I would like your guy's oppinions, it's basically a drow offshoot. --+2 Strength, +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence, -2 Wisdom. --Medium: As Medium Creatures. --Base land speed is 30 feet. --Immunity to magic sleep effects, and a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells or effects. --Limited Darkvision: Can see in the dark up to 60 feet. --Weapon Familiarity: Are proficient with the bastard sword one handed, and two handed for free. (instead of the elven bows, rapiers, etc, or drow hand cross bow, etc.) --+2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. Any who merely passes within 5 feet of a secret or concealed door is entitled to a Search check to notice as if she were actively looking for it. --Favored Class: Ranger What's your guy's take on this?
Vharuck 06-01-07, 12:31 AM	Seems fine to me. Though the +2 Str and Dex make this a good warrior class, that Con penality offsets it with the mental penalties. It might be slightly on the weak side. I'd throw in another special ability or two, weaker ones mind you.
bobothechimp 06-01-07, 12:33 AM	Take the Wild Elf, and then -2 Wisdom - Weapon Proficiencies - Low-light vison + Darkvision + EWP: Bastard Sword) It seems to be slightly overpowered.
Thomar_of_Uointer 06-01-07, 12:44 AM	Me (as a dm), and this player have worked out a race seeing if it's balanced, basing it off other races and seeing how it works, I would like your guy's oppinions, it's basically a drow offshoot. --+2 Strength, +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence, -2 Wisdom. --Medium: As Medium Creatures. --Base land speed is 30 feet. --Immunity to magic sleep effects, and a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells or effects. --Limited Darkvision: Can see in the dark up to 60 feet. --Weapon Familiarity: Are proficient with the bastard sword one handed, and two handed for free. (instead of the elven bows, rapiers, etc, or drow hand cross bow, etc.) --+2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. Any who merely passes within 5 feet of a secret or concealed door is entitled to a Search check to notice as if she were actively looking for it. --Favored Class: Ranger What's your guy's take on this? It looks... Pretty darn good, actually. I'll say LA +0. A bit min-maxxed, but they've got poor saves where it counts (Will and Fortitude cover all of the save-or-dies, save-or-charmed, save-or-ability damage, etc), so it's fine. This is an elf, right?
Soceus 06-01-07, 01:02 AM	yes, it's a base elf, basically it's a type of drow race gone seperatist, hence dark vision and a few other things, so it's an off shoot of drow which is an off shoot of elf, lol.
Soceus 06-02-07, 06:36 PM	Is there any other oppinions on this?
AMGriffin 06-02-07, 07:17 PM	get rid of one of those mental penalties.
Ardent 06-02-07, 07:30 PM	get rid of one of those mental penalties. +2 Str = -4 any mental attribute. The Dex bonus is offset by the Con penalty (as is normal for elves).
DireHawk 06-02-07, 08:11 PM	If this is a drow type, I would also add that light blindness thing that they get where they become dazzled in full sunlight.
Einvaldurinn_mikli 06-02-07, 08:22 PM	+2 Str = -4 any mental attribute. The Dex bonus is offset by the Con penalty (as is normal for elves). But why? Mental scores are if anything superior to the physical ones.
Electricbee 06-02-07, 08:30 PM	well the ablility scores balance but are easy to abuse min/maxing an archer type. The abilities are probably slightly better than a standard elves (dark vision and an exotic and martial weapon prof (with the same weapon)instead of lowlight and 3 martial weapon profs) I don't think changing the secret door range from 10' to 5' is game significant, as I dont know any DM's who track tactical movement that closely for non combat encounters. I would tone them down just a notch ... perhaps make the bastard sword familiarity mean two handed prof is a simple weapon and one handed is martial for these elves. Give them light sensitivity -1 on rolls in daylight or equivalent conditions, and try that.
AMGriffin 06-02-07, 09:38 PM	+2 Str = -4 any mental attribute. The Dex bonus is offset by the Con penalty (as is normal for elves). Nonsense. Pure and simple. WoTC doesn't even abide by that rule anymore.
Soceus 06-03-07, 02:34 AM	Nonsense. Pure and simple. WoTC doesn't even abide by that rule anymore. Half-orcs....
Thomar_of_Uointer 06-03-07, 02:56 AM	Half-orcs.... Were published in the Player's Handbook quite some time ago. And they've been generally regarded as a subpar race.
Nykidemus 06-03-07, 03:05 AM	I think it's fine. A little min-max, but that's hardly the end of the world. I agree about the 10' spot thing, it's really a very minor call. Weapon familiarity with Bastard Sword is almost exactly like the dwarves one for the Dwarven waraxe, not overpowered at all. If this is an underground race though a dazzle effect in sunlight would make fine sense, and I dont think it would balance it to far toward the low side.
Crimson_Concerto 06-03-07, 02:45 PM	Seem fine to me, I guess, but I'd get rid of the -2 WIS. They're ability score adjustments are balanced without it. The concept that physical scores are worth more than mental scores it vastly outdated.
Soceus 06-03-07, 09:34 PM	Seem fine to me, I guess, but I'd get rid of the -2 WIS. They're ability score adjustments are balanced without it. The concept that physical scores are worth more than mental scores it vastly outdated. Wood Elves published in the fearun books are +2 to 2 physical stats, and -2 to 2 mental and 1 physical, I had the player pick which stats would be bumped up, and which one's bumped down, he just chose to have the str, and dex up, and the rest lowered. As far as the dazzled in bright light, it doesn't work for them due to them being in the mountains (not under the mountains, or in the underdark), for some time, like a seperatist drow group.
Otto the Bugbear 06-04-07, 12:45 PM	Me (as a dm), and this player have worked out a race seeing if it's balanced, basing it off other races and seeing how it works, I would like your guy's oppinions, it's basically a drow offshoot. --+2 Strength, +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence, -2 Wisdom. --Medium: As Medium Creatures. --Base land speed is 30 feet. --Immunity to magic sleep effects, and a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells or effects. --Limited Darkvision: Can see in the dark up to 60 feet. --Weapon Familiarity: Are proficient with the bastard sword one handed, and two handed for free. (instead of the elven bows, rapiers, etc, or drow hand cross bow, etc.) --+2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. Any who merely passes within 5 feet of a secret or concealed door is entitled to a Search check to notice as if she were actively looking for it. --Favored Class: Ranger What's your guy's take on this? Run with it the way this is written. It's LA +0, and pretty balanced.