Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Majick 06-15-07, 10:13 AM	Warforged (Large) All same traits as warforged except as specified below: +6 to strength -2 to dexterity Large size +2 Level Adjustement thoughts?
Majick 06-15-07, 11:28 AM	No one has any thoughts on whether this is reasonable or not? :(
Phalo 06-15-07, 11:56 AM	Warforged (Large) All same traits as warforged except as specified below: +6 to strength -2 to dexterity Large size +2 Level Adjustement thoughts? there is the charger which is a LA +4 + 4hit die for a (EFl) +8 If you want a large warforged though i would say something like Line breaker warforged large Living construct STR +6 Dex -4 Con +2 Wis -2 AC (-1 size +8 adamantine body ) bonus feats adamantine body Weapon Proficiency (Maul) LA +3
Hellsbells 06-15-07, 12:04 PM	Not trying to be rude but whats the point?:confused:
Majick 06-15-07, 12:32 PM	Not trying to be rude but whats the point?:confused: What's the point in... what? I am asking if +2 LA is balanced for what i listed above... that's pretty resounding when it comes to the "I have a question, does anybody have a reasonable answer and/or unput for me?" path of thinking
bigsnarf 06-15-07, 03:08 PM	You can always design a new feat, you can give it a coool name like "Hulking War Brute!!!" and give it a constitution requirement of 16. Mr. Warforged would be treated as a large creature for bullrush, grapple, and weapons use, but not reach.
Nephallim 06-15-07, 03:38 PM	I like Snarf's idea, and it makes sense for a Warforged, them being built for intense battle and all.
bigsnarf 06-15-07, 04:24 PM	That be correct,I rule!!!(not really, but I like the thought)The larger warforged are more like walking seige engines,they are big,strong, and stupid.But you would think that the designers for the warforged did not think about creating"special orders"for their clients.They may have built hulking shock troops that needed to weild big mofo axes and crossbows to punch holes in formations of heavy infrantry. These "special warforged" may only be taller by a few inches but they would have been built like dwarf,wide with trunk-like limbs,ie,a new feat.Why be ten feet tall and not able to go into most places when you can just be a hulking 6'8" and 5 feet wide?Big is never better unless its a chicago style pizza or a Big Gulp from 711. mmmmmmm pizza yummy.
Teron Gorefiend 06-15-07, 10:24 PM	What's wrong with you people? Are you illiterate or just that damn egocentric? Majick didn't ask for your tangential, ill-conceived ideas, he just wants to know if his bloody adjustments are balanced! I think they're fine, Majick. If not perfectly balanced, at least close enough.
Korone 06-16-07, 12:18 PM	Add +4 to constitution and -2 to intelligence with a speed of 40ft. Now it seems good for an LA+2. Although if the intelligence penalty doesn't fit the flavor, just remove it and lessen the constitution bonus to +2.
bigsnarf 06-16-07, 01:58 PM	Hey Gorefiend,its a message board,people share ideas.You dont need to say things like that,grow up little boy.:embarrass
bigsnarf 06-16-07, 01:59 PM	Majick,nobody was knocking your idea,so all is coool.:P
AMGriffin 06-16-07, 09:40 PM	I dunno if it's quite LA+2...maybe if you beefed up the NA a bit, it'd be pretty close to half-ogres in power. That said, I love this idea of making warforged larger and stronger then humans.
NASCAR_1080i 06-17-07, 03:45 AM	you may want to try +6 str -2 dex +2 nat armor speed 40ft and large size that seems to be worth the +2 adj or if you want a +1 adj just +4 str -2 dex and large size
Phalo 06-17-07, 03:49 AM	you may want to try +6 str -2 dex +2 nat armor speed 40ft and large size that seems to be worth the +2 adj or if you want a +1 adj just +4 str -2 dex and large size Don't forget the -2 wis for being warforged Oh and the reason i said the adamatine body was if you are going through the trouble of making a large brute warforged ya might as well armorer him
Majick 06-17-07, 12:00 PM	Hey guys, thanks for all the input (and variations; despite no request for them, it's good to see the spirit of creation and change is alive and well in you all!) :D What our group went with was basically similar to the half-ogre, which was my original idea - War Engine Large Size +6 Strength -2 Dexterity +2 Constitution -2 Wisdom -2 Charisma +4 Natural Armour Speed of 30ft Living Construct Subtype +2 Level Adjustment Reasoning: We felt the living construct subtype was enough to cancel out the Half-Ogres 60ft Dark Vision and we changed the Intelligence loss of the base creature to a Wisdom loss like that of a warforged. Essentially we were simply going for a bigger, bulkier but not necassarily stupider or slower version of the warforged that would have been produced in greatly reduced numbers than that of the usual size (which you can assume was because of costs, time of creation, and difficulty of creation etc.) Personal Application: I decided personally to use this race for myself in a recent campain. I decided to go a Monk. Who doesn't love Large Sized Unarmed Damage?
bigsnarf 06-17-07, 01:20 PM	Hey Majick, after you wrote out the stats it made alot more sense, I know see where you where going with the new warforged. It looks great! :bounce: I may use it if I ever get a game going!Its a walking tank with a chip on its shoulder.:P
Captain_Kobold 06-17-07, 04:57 PM	Some nice ideas although I think that both Majick and Nascar's suggestions are a little good for their LA. I would suggest that adding racial hit dice would be a better solution than increasing their LA though. Besides, I think that something fitting their descriptions should start with at least 3 or 4 hit dice. Something that naturally powerful wouldn't have just a single HD on creation. Failing that, the Warforged charger seems to be pretty much what you are after. Why not use that?
Majick 06-18-07, 11:02 AM	Some nice ideas although I think that both Majick and Nascar's suggestions are a little good for their LA. I would suggest that adding racial hit dice would be a better solution than increasing their LA though. Besides, I think that something fitting their descriptions should start with at least 3 or 4 hit dice. Something that naturally powerful wouldn't have just a single HD on creation. Failing that, the Warforged charger seems to be pretty much what you are after. Why not use that? We compared it to the power of a Half-Ogre and felt it was about the same. Have you seen the stats they have? They are essentially the same as what i have written except as noted in my 'reasoning why it was changed' and they are still a +2 LA creature... But not everyones gonna be happy, so yeah, thanks again all :D
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 06-18-07, 11:06 AM	Reasoning: We felt the living construct subtype was enough to cancel out the Half-Ogres 60ft Dark Vision and we changed the Intelligence loss of the base creature to a Wisdom loss like that of a warforged. That's what I thought you were going for. It looks fine to me. I would play it. It would make an excellent barbarian.
armnaxis 06-18-07, 11:16 AM	Try MAUG, from Fiend Folio. They rock. Warforged are derived from that, a designer sometime, someplace said (no link, sorry).
bigsnarf 06-18-07, 11:20 AM	With the +4 natural armour, what would the skill penalty and max dex be? Hey Van Seraph, look Im using spaces! Can we be friends?:angel:
Lionhearted 06-18-07, 11:43 AM	from medium to large +8 strength -2 dexterity +4 constitution +2 Natural armor (or in the warforged's case composite armor?)
Captain_Kobold 06-18-07, 12:01 PM	Ah. I misread. I forgot that the composite plating, natural slam attack and Fortification abilities were not part of the Living construct subtype, but separate warforged racial abilities. I was assuming that the race you were suggesting had those abilities. Since it would not, that seems a bit more balanced. The idea of a Large warforged with only one hit dice does still seem a little off though.
Luis_Dragunov 06-18-07, 12:10 PM	What about small warforged? In fact, wouldn't small size help them? Sure, they get a penalty to strength but they'd get higher AC, they'd be lighter, sneakier... infiltrator warforged, anyone?
Lionhearted 06-18-07, 12:14 PM	What about small warforged? In fact, wouldn't small size help them? Sure, they get a penalty to strength but they'd get higher AC, they'd be lighter, sneakier... infiltrator warforged, anyone? It's called the warforged scout and is found right after the warforged in MM3
Luis_Dragunov 06-18-07, 12:35 PM	It's called the warforged scout and is found right after the warforged in MM3 They aren't sneaky enough.
Lionhearted 06-18-07, 08:25 PM	They aren't sneaky enough. Give him 10 levels of rogue and a ring of invisibility then come tell me he aint stealthy
AMGriffin 06-18-07, 08:48 PM	Well, not compared to a goblin or halfling. from medium to large +8 strength -2 dexterity +4 constitution +2 Natural armor (or in the warforged's case composite armor?) I am big, therefore my skin is harder to pierce. The logic is missing. :(
Lionhearted 06-18-07, 09:33 PM	stats directly taken from the monster manual size scaling table