Chaotic creatures? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Chaotic creatures? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Bopple
09-11-07, 09:30 PM What does 'chaotic creatures' mean when you say "you take -2 penalty when using charisma-based skills against chaotic creatures"?
1. Creatures with chaotic alignment
2. Creatures with chaotic descriptor

I have been taking it for granted as #1, up until now.
But something hit me. They don't use capital letters to discriminate descriptors.
For example, good/evil/lawful/chaotic/fire/cold/ectectect spells.

I still strongly lean to #1, but I want to be sure.
What's your take?
Thomar_of_Uointer
09-11-07, 11:26 PM What does 'chaotic creatures' mean when you say "you take -2 penalty when using charisma-based skills against chaotic creatures"?
1. Creatures with chaotic alignment
2. Creatures with chaotic descriptor

I have been taking it for granted as #1, up until now.
But something hit me. They don't use capital letters to discriminate descriptors.
For example, good/evil/lawful/chaotic/fire/cold/ectectect spells.

I still strongly lean to #1, but I want to be sure.
What's your take?

There's a fair deal of overlap between those two things. What's the context here? Where is this ability?

My initial reading of it makes me think it refers to alignment. It's the more general and common type of creature you would find, as opposed to the rarity of the Chaotic subtype.
Bopple
09-12-07, 12:30 AM That's from the description of Modron in Dragon Magazine 354.
Since it's a planar creature of law, it hit me that it could be chaotic subtype.
The_Shaman
09-12-07, 05:20 PM I rather doubt it. While I don't think there is a written link that a creature with subtype X has to be of alignment X, I would presume that this is the typical case and should not be changed without good reasons.
Borris
09-12-07, 07:30 PM When used as an adjective this way, a "chaotic creature" simply means a creature with a chaotic alignment. Note that creatures don't have descriptors (only spells do) but subtypes. When referencing an alignment subtype, it'll usually be clearly mentionned, such as "a creature with the chaotic subtype".

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Bopple 09-11-07, 09:30 PM	What does 'chaotic creatures' mean when you say "you take -2 penalty when using charisma-based skills against chaotic creatures"? 1. Creatures with chaotic alignment 2. Creatures with chaotic descriptor I have been taking it for granted as #1, up until now. But something hit me. They don't use capital letters to discriminate descriptors. For example, good/evil/lawful/chaotic/fire/cold/ectectect spells. I still strongly lean to #1, but I want to be sure. What's your take?
Thomar_of_Uointer 09-11-07, 11:26 PM	What does 'chaotic creatures' mean when you say "you take -2 penalty when using charisma-based skills against chaotic creatures"? 1. Creatures with chaotic alignment 2. Creatures with chaotic descriptor I have been taking it for granted as #1, up until now. But something hit me. They don't use capital letters to discriminate descriptors. For example, good/evil/lawful/chaotic/fire/cold/ectectect spells. I still strongly lean to #1, but I want to be sure. What's your take? There's a fair deal of overlap between those two things. What's the context here? Where is this ability? My initial reading of it makes me think it refers to alignment. It's the more general and common type of creature you would find, as opposed to the rarity of the Chaotic subtype.
Bopple 09-12-07, 12:30 AM	That's from the description of Modron in Dragon Magazine 354. Since it's a planar creature of law, it hit me that it could be chaotic subtype.
The_Shaman 09-12-07, 05:20 PM	I rather doubt it. While I don't think there is a written link that a creature with subtype X has to be of alignment X, I would presume that this is the typical case and should not be changed without good reasons.
Borris 09-12-07, 07:30 PM	When used as an adjective this way, a "chaotic creature" simply means a creature with a chaotic alignment. Note that creatures don't have descriptors (only spells do) but subtypes. When referencing an alignment subtype, it'll usually be clearly mentionned, such as "a creature with the chaotic subtype".