Does it go against nature? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Does it go against nature? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Valenor
01-27-08, 11:43 PM Hello,
I was wondering... (Regardless of 3e or 4e)
We have half-elves and half-orcs... but does it go against nature to have half-gnomes, half-dwarves, half-halfings (does that make them quarterlings? :P) or heck, even half-goblins?

Is it for a specific reason or just because the myriad of new races that would make and thus the work behind the stats?

If you have created the stats for such race, or any idea of how the stats should go, I would appreciate it if you could share it.

NOTE: half-warforged are understandable out of this debate, lol.:rolleye2:
Jaxgaret
01-28-08, 12:01 AM No, it doesn't go against nature.
Crimson_Concerto
01-28-08, 12:11 AM Just for simplicity's sake, I always assumed that any pairing of core races other than Human x Elf and Human x Orc simply produced either no children or children that were of either one race or the other... In fact, I wish they'd left it that way with Human x Elf and Human x Orc, since Half-Elves and Half-Orcs suck... Of course, I'm sure my answer for this is too simple and not what you're really asking for, so I digress...
Valenor
01-28-08, 12:19 AM Just for simplicity's sake, I always assumed that any pairing of core races other than Human x Elf and Human x Orc simply produced either no children or children that were of either one race or the other... In fact, I wish they'd left it that way with Human x Elf and Human x Orc, since Half-Elves and Half-Orcs suck... Of course, I'm sure my answer for this is too simple and not what you're really asking for, so I digress...

It is a good answer, I do agree that half-elves and half-orcs suck, but would half-something-else suck?
And how about half-elf-half-gnomes for instance? why are humans the only ones who can breed children with elves and orcs? why not other humanoids as well?
I know the D&D fantasy genre avoids romanticism and the probably polemic theme romanticism would bring with say, an elf loving a gnome, and having an odd offspring, but if it can happen with humans and elves, and humans and orcs... why not with some other interesting humanoid races as well?

Uruk-hai are half-orcs and half-goblins if I'm not mistaken, and do make an interesting "new and improved" race. Also the Gorillons (half orcs and half ogres)

Finally... the "new and improved" term can be applied... if it's new, there was nothing before it, if it's improved, there was something before it... in the case of the Uruk-hai, this term fully applies :D
toranaga181
01-28-08, 12:23 AM The book Bastards and Bloodlines: A Guidebook to Half-breeds may help you out some. It has some interesting stuff in it. I cant recall if it has anything about half-dwarves or half-goblins...but I know there is a part of the book that tells you how to create your own halfbreed
Valenor
01-28-08, 12:27 AM The book Bastards and Bloodlines: A Guidebook to Half-breeds may help you out some. It has some interesting stuff in it. I cant recall if it has anything about half-dwarves or half-goblins...but I know there is a part of the book that tells you how to create your own halfbreed

Cool! Is this from TSR, WotC, or some other d20 company?
toranaga181
01-28-08, 12:31 AM I know Green Ronin Publishing does it...
Hmm, I have it on a pdf file, give me your email and Ill try to send it to you?
Valenor
01-28-08, 12:33 AM I know Green Ronin Publishing does it...
Hmm, I have it on a pdf file, give me your email and Ill try to send it to you?

LOL, you should see my other thread concerning your comment regarding pdf's.
Another Laughable Thead (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=982797)
Thanks though.
I just saw it in Amazon and plan to buy it :D
toranaga181
01-28-08, 12:48 AM haha, right oh.
i buy all my books, but i like to have a pdf file of all of them so i can bring them to my d&d sessions
JulesCARV
01-28-08, 01:12 AM What if half-elf/half-humans and half-orc/half-humans, in spite of their somewhat unoptimized abilities, are actually the healthiest, most viable of hybrids? What if a half-orc/half-elf usually aborts spontaneously shortly after conception, and if not, is usually born with congenital problems like defective heart valves, an inability to digest nutrients from gluten to lactose (even in infancy), severe autoimmune disorders, sure infertility for males along with probable infertility for females, along with a -2 to constitution, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma, light sensitivity, the lifespan of an orc, no favored class, and no other features even before any specific ailments are factored in? (I.e., the worst possible features (ability modifiers, etc) poached from elf and orc -- a sort of negative racial gestalt)

Actually, that could make an interesting NPC, perhaps. In an elf village, you might encounter an emaciated, wheelchair-bound half-elf/half-orc, with a healer type (adept or somesuch) constantly in attendance. The elves try to make his life as comfortable as possible given his myriad congenital disorders, and mostly secretly hope that his (short by elf standards) life will soon be over.

Or, alternatively, if you want a more uplifting note, you could have an elf/orc who, in spite of everything, overcomes the odds and becomes a notable author, scholar, and sangehirn. He might be writing a memoir of his unique experiences as a half-elf/half-orc, and how his own medical problems lead him into becoming a healer. Or whatever.

UPDATE:

This is a "normal" half-elf/half-orc. Most are at least somewhat worse off thanks to autoimmune disorders and such. Possibly an interesting NPC. Or possibly a PC if you're a masochist.

-2 constitution, -2 intelligence, -2 wisdom, -2 charisma
Medium: As medium creatures, half-elf/half-orcs have no bonuses or penalties due to size.
Half-elf/half-orc base land speed is 30 feet
Light sensitivity: Half-elf/half-orcs are dazzled in bright sunlight or within the radius of a daylight spell
Automatic languages: common
Favored class: None. All of a half-elf/half-orc's classes count when determining whether he takes an experience point penalty for multiclassing.
toranaga181
01-28-08, 01:16 AM That was deep...sounds like a the perfect D&D drama.
Hahahaha!!
KruniacZio
01-30-08, 03:07 PM I was mulling this over a few days ago. Dragons, (according to Dragon perspective) are actually commiting beastiality when they polymorph into a human and interbreed. Thats amusing to think about.

Anyway, Half-Fiends -do not- suck, and Half-Trolls can be interesting as well. Dont forget that aside from the "natural" way of doing things, magical influences can crossbred a lot of things.

I'm waiting for someone to attempt to make a Half-Aboleth so I can lose the rest of my SAN.
seventh_scroll
02-01-08, 03:07 PM >.> I always thought that humans were able to breed with other races due to their malleable(and somewhat unstable) nature. Just like a horse and a dog can't reproduce, neither can an Elf and an Orc. Humans are genetically ambiguous, and thus can produce offspring with other similarly built races. A dwarf and a gnome might breed, but the offspring would probably go unnoticed among one of the cultures. Elves and orcs share a deep enmity for each other, so they'd be unlikely to couple in the first place, and the child would likely be killed by either the parents, or by whatever race found it first.

I sometimes use Half-Drow in my campaigns, substituting LLV for DV, and losing the bonus to Diplomacy among either Drow or Elves.
teshen
02-01-08, 09:36 PM I guess this is just one of my misconception carried over into this edition of the game, but I always supposed that halfling subraces, such as lightfoot halflings and stoutheart halflings, where halflings + blood of another race, like elf, dwarf, or human. But since I can't remember their 3.5 stats, I can't really support it...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Valenor 01-27-08, 11:43 PM	Hello, I was wondering... (Regardless of 3e or 4e) We have half-elves and half-orcs... but does it go against nature to have half-gnomes, half-dwarves, half-halfings (does that make them quarterlings? :P) or heck, even half-goblins? Is it for a specific reason or just because the myriad of new races that would make and thus the work behind the stats? If you have created the stats for such race, or any idea of how the stats should go, I would appreciate it if you could share it. NOTE: half-warforged are understandable out of this debate, lol.:rolleye2:
Jaxgaret 01-28-08, 12:01 AM	No, it doesn't go against nature.
Crimson_Concerto 01-28-08, 12:11 AM	Just for simplicity's sake, I always assumed that any pairing of core races other than Human x Elf and Human x Orc simply produced either no children or children that were of either one race or the other... In fact, I wish they'd left it that way with Human x Elf and Human x Orc, since Half-Elves and Half-Orcs suck... Of course, I'm sure my answer for this is too simple and not what you're really asking for, so I digress...
Valenor 01-28-08, 12:19 AM	Just for simplicity's sake, I always assumed that any pairing of core races other than Human x Elf and Human x Orc simply produced either no children or children that were of either one race or the other... In fact, I wish they'd left it that way with Human x Elf and Human x Orc, since Half-Elves and Half-Orcs suck... Of course, I'm sure my answer for this is too simple and not what you're really asking for, so I digress... It is a good answer, I do agree that half-elves and half-orcs suck, but would half-something-else suck? And how about half-elf-half-gnomes for instance? why are humans the only ones who can breed children with elves and orcs? why not other humanoids as well? I know the D&D fantasy genre avoids romanticism and the probably polemic theme romanticism would bring with say, an elf loving a gnome, and having an odd offspring, but if it can happen with humans and elves, and humans and orcs... why not with some other interesting humanoid races as well? Uruk-hai are half-orcs and half-goblins if I'm not mistaken, and do make an interesting "new and improved" race. Also the Gorillons (half orcs and half ogres) Finally... the "new and improved" term can be applied... if it's new, there was nothing before it, if it's improved, there was something before it... in the case of the Uruk-hai, this term fully applies :D
toranaga181 01-28-08, 12:23 AM	The book Bastards and Bloodlines: A Guidebook to Half-breeds may help you out some. It has some interesting stuff in it. I cant recall if it has anything about half-dwarves or half-goblins...but I know there is a part of the book that tells you how to create your own halfbreed
Valenor 01-28-08, 12:27 AM	The book Bastards and Bloodlines: A Guidebook to Half-breeds may help you out some. It has some interesting stuff in it. I cant recall if it has anything about half-dwarves or half-goblins...but I know there is a part of the book that tells you how to create your own halfbreed Cool! Is this from TSR, WotC, or some other d20 company?
toranaga181 01-28-08, 12:31 AM	I know Green Ronin Publishing does it... Hmm, I have it on a pdf file, give me your email and Ill try to send it to you?
Valenor 01-28-08, 12:33 AM	I know Green Ronin Publishing does it... Hmm, I have it on a pdf file, give me your email and Ill try to send it to you? LOL, you should see my other thread concerning your comment regarding pdf's. Another Laughable Thead (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=982797) Thanks though. I just saw it in Amazon and plan to buy it :D
toranaga181 01-28-08, 12:48 AM	haha, right oh. i buy all my books, but i like to have a pdf file of all of them so i can bring them to my d&d sessions
JulesCARV 01-28-08, 01:12 AM	What if half-elf/half-humans and half-orc/half-humans, in spite of their somewhat unoptimized abilities, are actually the healthiest, most viable of hybrids? What if a half-orc/half-elf usually aborts spontaneously shortly after conception, and if not, is usually born with congenital problems like defective heart valves, an inability to digest nutrients from gluten to lactose (even in infancy), severe autoimmune disorders, sure infertility for males along with probable infertility for females, along with a -2 to constitution, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma, light sensitivity, the lifespan of an orc, no favored class, and no other features even before any specific ailments are factored in? (I.e., the worst possible features (ability modifiers, etc) poached from elf and orc -- a sort of negative racial gestalt) Actually, that could make an interesting NPC, perhaps. In an elf village, you might encounter an emaciated, wheelchair-bound half-elf/half-orc, with a healer type (adept or somesuch) constantly in attendance. The elves try to make his life as comfortable as possible given his myriad congenital disorders, and mostly secretly hope that his (short by elf standards) life will soon be over. Or, alternatively, if you want a more uplifting note, you could have an elf/orc who, in spite of everything, overcomes the odds and becomes a notable author, scholar, and sangehirn. He might be writing a memoir of his unique experiences as a half-elf/half-orc, and how his own medical problems lead him into becoming a healer. Or whatever. UPDATE: This is a "normal" half-elf/half-orc. Most are at least somewhat worse off thanks to autoimmune disorders and such. Possibly an interesting NPC. Or possibly a PC if you're a masochist. -2 constitution, -2 intelligence, -2 wisdom, -2 charisma Medium: As medium creatures, half-elf/half-orcs have no bonuses or penalties due to size. Half-elf/half-orc base land speed is 30 feet Light sensitivity: Half-elf/half-orcs are dazzled in bright sunlight or within the radius of a daylight spell Automatic languages: common Favored class: None. All of a half-elf/half-orc's classes count when determining whether he takes an experience point penalty for multiclassing.
toranaga181 01-28-08, 01:16 AM	That was deep...sounds like a the perfect D&D drama. Hahahaha!!
KruniacZio 01-30-08, 03:07 PM	I was mulling this over a few days ago. Dragons, (according to Dragon perspective) are actually commiting beastiality when they polymorph into a human and interbreed. Thats amusing to think about. Anyway, Half-Fiends -do not- suck, and Half-Trolls can be interesting as well. Dont forget that aside from the "natural" way of doing things, magical influences can crossbred a lot of things. I'm waiting for someone to attempt to make a Half-Aboleth so I can lose the rest of my SAN.
seventh_scroll 02-01-08, 03:07 PM	>.> I always thought that humans were able to breed with other races due to their malleable(and somewhat unstable) nature. Just like a horse and a dog can't reproduce, neither can an Elf and an Orc. Humans are genetically ambiguous, and thus can produce offspring with other similarly built races. A dwarf and a gnome might breed, but the offspring would probably go unnoticed among one of the cultures. Elves and orcs share a deep enmity for each other, so they'd be unlikely to couple in the first place, and the child would likely be killed by either the parents, or by whatever race found it first. I sometimes use Half-Drow in my campaigns, substituting LLV for DV, and losing the bonus to Diplomacy among either Drow or Elves.
teshen 02-01-08, 09:36 PM	I guess this is just one of my misconception carried over into this edition of the game, but I always supposed that halfling subraces, such as lightfoot halflings and stoutheart halflings, where halflings + blood of another race, like elf, dwarf, or human. But since I can't remember their 3.5 stats, I can't really support it...