dragon born, the +0 template? [Archive] - Wizards Community

dragon born, the +0 template? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Demetri_Knighthawk
02-21-07, 12:30 PM +2 con -2 dex
key benifits and abilities
only pre-requisite is 2 days alone time and 100 gp

is it me or does this seem a smidgen broken?
Kadasbrass
02-21-07, 12:37 PM Have you read the full thing? You also lose pretty much all existing racial traits too in favor of the new ones.
runestar
02-21-07, 12:39 PM You win some, you lose some with the template.
Now, only thing is to find a race which lets you win more than you lose.
Warforged comes to mind...:P
NerdNumber1
02-21-07, 12:46 PM It isn't realy a template, it changes your entire race. You lose most, if not all, of your racial traits.
Demetri_Knighthawk
02-21-07, 01:11 PM hmm perhaps I had origionaly missread it, somehow I thought it says "retains origional" often in a lot of the racial abilities, the only place it removes or replaces is human skill points and human 1st level feat/ racial feats are lost.
Shedeo
02-21-07, 01:19 PM And the Dwarf's ability to move in heavy armor. And all sorts of other stuff.

All in all, its pretty cool. The wings/breathweapon/whatever that other one was are all really handy as well, but no. Its not really that broken.

I once had an Elven Monk in my game, but the player (who's in love with dragons) decided that she'd become a Dragonborn. I let her reroll her character as a Druid and voila. She became a Dragonborn druid (instead of monk) as part of her transformation as well. Good thing, too, since she had the blessing of Bahamut.
enygmatic_me
02-21-07, 04:26 PM You win some, you lose some with the template.
Now, only thing is to find a race which lets you win more than you lose.
Warforged comes to mind...:P

Warforged are a great choice. Especially when you consider that, despite the lose of their composite armor, they are still capable of taking feats that improve Natural Armor bonuses.
Yalon
02-21-07, 05:15 PM Orc Dragonborn rawk the hizouse. Verily.
runestar
02-21-07, 10:36 PM Warforged are a great choice. Especially when you consider that, despite the lose of their composite armor, they are still capable of taking feats that improve Natural Armor bonuses.
They retain their living construct subtype, which lets them keep most of their immunities and resistances. If you are going to be taking one of their armoured body feats, who cares if you retain your composite plating? And if you are going to play a wizard, then losing your plating is actually a blessing in disguise, since you don't have to spend a feat to rid yourself of it.:)
Templario
02-22-07, 08:54 AM Don't forget all of the RP issues: kills evil dragons, kills evil dragons, kills evil dragons. And you woun't have time for passion and children, what (to me) increases dramatically the historyline and gives you a future character (the son/daughter of your current one :D ).

But for a very focused campaign (Dragonfall Wars, etc) the "template" is superb.
runestar
02-22-07, 09:10 AM What's wrong with fighting evil dragons with your child strapped to your back?:P
He can even contribute with the occasional flinging of poop to the dragon's eye...
Derren S.
02-22-07, 09:23 AM As dragonborn are sterile, passion and child are not much of an issue.
Banatine
02-22-07, 09:44 AM We've always houseruled that dragonborn can do what they please when it comes to that kind of thing.

We also rule that they don't become reborn in mind as well as body. changing into what amounts to a paladin isn't very good. The condition for keeping your memory however was to wear a platinum ring during the rite.
Richmud
02-22-07, 02:50 PM I don't believe there is normally any memory loss (well except for the racial abilities that come from training) from this transformation. You would retain all class levels, feats, skills, ect. that weren't a racial bonus of some sort
grodech
02-28-07, 07:32 PM It appears that the template can be taken any time, even if you already have class levels.

I wonder if any previous hit dice count towards your abilities with relation to hit dice, or if you only count those you gain after the transformation (e.g. breath weapon).

I was also wondering if you started as a race with an LA, do you still have an LA after the transformation.

I haven't seen any FAQs regarding dragonborn - anyone know of one?
Richmud
02-28-07, 08:42 PM I wonder if any previous hit dice count towards your abilities with relation to hit dice, or if you only count those you gain after the transformation (e.g. breath weapon).

Yes all your HD count for its abilities

I was also wondering if you started as a race with an LA, do you still have an LA after the transformation.

I believe the book states that you retain any LA you have, which can really suck but is a necessary rule as there is no easy way to determine if the LA of a race comes from one the features you retain.

I haven't seen any FAQs regarding dragonborn - anyone know of one?

I am not aware of any
grodech
02-28-07, 10:39 PM I believe the book states that you retain any LA you have, which can really suck but is a necessary rule as there is no easy way to determine if the LA of a race comes from one the features you retain.
I must have missed that. Thanks.

I am not aware of any
Well I guess this counts as one, but it was a pain to find.
AZNsupermarket
03-01-07, 12:22 AM +2 con -2 dex
key benifits and abilities
only pre-requisite is 2 days alone time and 100 gp

is it me or does this seem a smidgen broken?

Only if you try to become a dragonborn elven sub-race. That is veering on the broken territory.
zook1shoe666
03-01-07, 12:32 AM As dragonborn are sterile, passion and child are not much of an issue.

who said it was after the char became a Dragonborn ;)
KurenaiYami
03-01-07, 07:00 AM I'm a big fan of Mongrelfolk Dragonborn myself. +0 race with +6 Con? I smell a Barbarian.
AZNsupermarket
03-01-07, 07:27 AM I'm a big fan of Mongrelfolk Dragonborn myself. +0 race with +6 Con? I smell a Barbarian.

that works pretty well too.
DS
03-01-07, 12:21 PM +2 con -2 dex
key benifits and abilities
only pre-requisite is 2 days alone time and 100 gp

is it me or does this seem a smidgen broken?

Your standards on broken should be revised. RoD gave us the venerable dragonwrought kobold. A dragonborn couldn't compete with that even if it didn't wipe out most of the previous races abilities.
Edo_555
03-01-07, 12:25 PM +2 con -2 dex
key benifits and abilities
only pre-requisite is 2 days alone time and 100 gp

is it me or does this seem a smidgen broken? Covered with scales;) At least looking at stats.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Demetri_Knighthawk 02-21-07, 12:30 PM	+2 con -2 dex key benifits and abilities only pre-requisite is 2 days alone time and 100 gp is it me or does this seem a smidgen broken?
Kadasbrass 02-21-07, 12:37 PM	Have you read the full thing? You also lose pretty much all existing racial traits too in favor of the new ones.
runestar 02-21-07, 12:39 PM	You win some, you lose some with the template. Now, only thing is to find a race which lets you win more than you lose. Warforged comes to mind...:P
NerdNumber1 02-21-07, 12:46 PM	It isn't realy a template, it changes your entire race. You lose most, if not all, of your racial traits.
Demetri_Knighthawk 02-21-07, 01:11 PM	hmm perhaps I had origionaly missread it, somehow I thought it says "retains origional" often in a lot of the racial abilities, the only place it removes or replaces is human skill points and human 1st level feat/ racial feats are lost.
Shedeo 02-21-07, 01:19 PM	And the Dwarf's ability to move in heavy armor. And all sorts of other stuff. All in all, its pretty cool. The wings/breathweapon/whatever that other one was are all really handy as well, but no. Its not really that broken. I once had an Elven Monk in my game, but the player (who's in love with dragons) decided that she'd become a Dragonborn. I let her reroll her character as a Druid and voila. She became a Dragonborn druid (instead of monk) as part of her transformation as well. Good thing, too, since she had the blessing of Bahamut.
enygmatic_me 02-21-07, 04:26 PM	You win some, you lose some with the template. Now, only thing is to find a race which lets you win more than you lose. Warforged comes to mind...:P Warforged are a great choice. Especially when you consider that, despite the lose of their composite armor, they are still capable of taking feats that improve Natural Armor bonuses.
Yalon 02-21-07, 05:15 PM	Orc Dragonborn rawk the hizouse. Verily.
runestar 02-21-07, 10:36 PM	Warforged are a great choice. Especially when you consider that, despite the lose of their composite armor, they are still capable of taking feats that improve Natural Armor bonuses. They retain their living construct subtype, which lets them keep most of their immunities and resistances. If you are going to be taking one of their armoured body feats, who cares if you retain your composite plating? And if you are going to play a wizard, then losing your plating is actually a blessing in disguise, since you don't have to spend a feat to rid yourself of it.:)
Templario 02-22-07, 08:54 AM	Don't forget all of the RP issues: kills evil dragons, kills evil dragons, kills evil dragons. And you woun't have time for passion and children, what (to me) increases dramatically the historyline and gives you a future character (the son/daughter of your current one :D ). But for a very focused campaign (Dragonfall Wars, etc) the "template" is superb.
runestar 02-22-07, 09:10 AM	What's wrong with fighting evil dragons with your child strapped to your back?:P He can even contribute with the occasional flinging of poop to the dragon's eye...
Derren S. 02-22-07, 09:23 AM	As dragonborn are sterile, passion and child are not much of an issue.
Banatine 02-22-07, 09:44 AM	We've always houseruled that dragonborn can do what they please when it comes to that kind of thing. We also rule that they don't become reborn in mind as well as body. changing into what amounts to a paladin isn't very good. The condition for keeping your memory however was to wear a platinum ring during the rite.
Richmud 02-22-07, 02:50 PM	I don't believe there is normally any memory loss (well except for the racial abilities that come from training) from this transformation. You would retain all class levels, feats, skills, ect. that weren't a racial bonus of some sort
grodech 02-28-07, 07:32 PM	It appears that the template can be taken any time, even if you already have class levels. I wonder if any previous hit dice count towards your abilities with relation to hit dice, or if you only count those you gain after the transformation (e.g. breath weapon). I was also wondering if you started as a race with an LA, do you still have an LA after the transformation. I haven't seen any FAQs regarding dragonborn - anyone know of one?
Richmud 02-28-07, 08:42 PM	I wonder if any previous hit dice count towards your abilities with relation to hit dice, or if you only count those you gain after the transformation (e.g. breath weapon). Yes all your HD count for its abilities I was also wondering if you started as a race with an LA, do you still have an LA after the transformation. I believe the book states that you retain any LA you have, which can really suck but is a necessary rule as there is no easy way to determine if the LA of a race comes from one the features you retain. I haven't seen any FAQs regarding dragonborn - anyone know of one? I am not aware of any
grodech 02-28-07, 10:39 PM	I believe the book states that you retain any LA you have, which can really suck but is a necessary rule as there is no easy way to determine if the LA of a race comes from one the features you retain. I must have missed that. Thanks. I am not aware of any Well I guess this counts as one, but it was a pain to find.
AZNsupermarket 03-01-07, 12:22 AM	+2 con -2 dex key benifits and abilities only pre-requisite is 2 days alone time and 100 gp is it me or does this seem a smidgen broken? Only if you try to become a dragonborn elven sub-race. That is veering on the broken territory.
zook1shoe666 03-01-07, 12:32 AM	As dragonborn are sterile, passion and child are not much of an issue. who said it was after the char became a Dragonborn ;)
KurenaiYami 03-01-07, 07:00 AM	I'm a big fan of Mongrelfolk Dragonborn myself. +0 race with +6 Con? I smell a Barbarian.
AZNsupermarket 03-01-07, 07:27 AM	I'm a big fan of Mongrelfolk Dragonborn myself. +0 race with +6 Con? I smell a Barbarian. that works pretty well too.
DS 03-01-07, 12:21 PM	+2 con -2 dex key benifits and abilities only pre-requisite is 2 days alone time and 100 gp is it me or does this seem a smidgen broken? Your standards on broken should be revised. RoD gave us the venerable dragonwrought kobold. A dragonborn couldn't compete with that even if it didn't wipe out most of the previous races abilities.
Edo_555 03-01-07, 12:25 PM	+2 con -2 dex key benifits and abilities only pre-requisite is 2 days alone time and 100 gp is it me or does this seem a smidgen broken? Covered with scales;) At least looking at stats.