Dragonborn x2? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dragonborn x2? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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mmshah
10-09-07, 07:36 PM Can you apply this template twice? Pick Wings first then one of the other ones. Don't see any technical reason why you wouldn't be able to, you'd still meet the requirements. And since you keep movement modes you keep your wings if you picked them first. Certainly muchkin, but I think legal.
archerpwr
10-09-07, 07:48 PM Can you apply this template twice? Pick Wings first then one of the other ones. Don't see any technical reason why you wouldn't be able to, you'd still meet the requirements. And since you keep movement modes you keep your wings if you picked them first. Certainly muchkin, but I think legal.

The default rule for things PCs aquire in D&D is "only once" Unless stated otherwise templates, feats, and certain other things can only be taken once.
war_thog
10-10-07, 06:56 AM Yeah pretty much.
You can't become what you are.
Dragonborn transforms you from something to something else.
You are reborn as a dragonborn.
If you are already one, this obviously cant happen.
DreamerInsane
10-10-07, 11:02 AM Raptoran Dragonborn works, tho. And you gain flight faster.
war_thog
10-11-07, 09:12 AM And is super cheesey too.
Dragonborn is not balanced to all races.
Quite a few OP things you can do with it.
Spikes01k
10-11-07, 04:40 PM Raptoran Dragonborn works, tho. And you gain flight faster.

You lose all racial abilities of the base race. So your original dragon born abilities and the Raptoran abilities are both lost when you go through the ritual again.
AtsuiShoto
10-11-07, 06:07 PM You lose all racial abilities of the base race.Actually, you keep some of your racial "abilities", including all modes of movement, ability modifiers, racial hitdice (and benefits therefrom), size, languages, and favored classes. The dragonborn template may add to these things, but it does not take them away.
war_thog
10-11-07, 11:08 PM And thats why its cheesey.

Gives you the ability to look for races which optimise best for that.
Not balanced to all races.

Humans lose everything.
Raptorans lose jack all.

Elves lose everything *except the stat change, but that is balanced in of itself.*
Dwarves have a stat change *same as elves* But lose their cool movement ness.
So they are weaker than elves as they have the same thing *stats* but a slower movement.

As a few examples of why its broken and not balanced to even the PHB races.
mmshah
10-12-07, 01:28 AM Humans don't quite lose everything, they lose a feat, but it doesn't have to be their bonus feat, it can be any feat even a class one as long is it doesn't disqualify you for other stuff you already have.

Sometimes you can apply the same template twice. For example a half-red/halfblack dragon templates added to the same base char, this example is used in some of the books. This seems very similar to adding the Dragonborn template twice picking different aspects. The only thing is that its a LA+0 template, which makes it kinda unfair since your really not paying anything for it. But this wasn't my question, Its outright munchkin, I have no disagreement about that. Just seems to me that if you can add half-dragon twice you should be able to add any template twice if there are different "aspects" to it that you can choose from.

This is one advantage of using Human(base) and then applying Dragonborn twice over using Raptoran, you get to keep your feat if theres another class one you can lose that doesnt disqualify you for you class(es).
Saefal
10-12-07, 07:09 AM But you can't add Half-dragon twice, Half-Dragon can only be applied to a non-dragon and Half-dragon makes you into type dragon. It is not in any WoTC publication and makes no sense. So your logic breaks down. That being said, of course you can't add Dragonborn twice, its a transformational power and you are already transformed.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
mmshah 10-09-07, 07:36 PM	Can you apply this template twice? Pick Wings first then one of the other ones. Don't see any technical reason why you wouldn't be able to, you'd still meet the requirements. And since you keep movement modes you keep your wings if you picked them first. Certainly muchkin, but I think legal.
archerpwr 10-09-07, 07:48 PM	Can you apply this template twice? Pick Wings first then one of the other ones. Don't see any technical reason why you wouldn't be able to, you'd still meet the requirements. And since you keep movement modes you keep your wings if you picked them first. Certainly muchkin, but I think legal. The default rule for things PCs aquire in D&D is "only once" Unless stated otherwise templates, feats, and certain other things can only be taken once.
war_thog 10-10-07, 06:56 AM	Yeah pretty much. You can't become what you are. Dragonborn transforms you from something to something else. You are reborn as a dragonborn. If you are already one, this obviously cant happen.
DreamerInsane 10-10-07, 11:02 AM	Raptoran Dragonborn works, tho. And you gain flight faster.
war_thog 10-11-07, 09:12 AM	And is super cheesey too. Dragonborn is not balanced to all races. Quite a few OP things you can do with it.
Spikes01k 10-11-07, 04:40 PM	Raptoran Dragonborn works, tho. And you gain flight faster. You lose all racial abilities of the base race. So your original dragon born abilities and the Raptoran abilities are both lost when you go through the ritual again.
AtsuiShoto 10-11-07, 06:07 PM	You lose all racial abilities of the base race.Actually, you keep some of your racial "abilities", including all modes of movement, ability modifiers, racial hitdice (and benefits therefrom), size, languages, and favored classes. The dragonborn template may add to these things, but it does not take them away.
war_thog 10-11-07, 11:08 PM	And thats why its cheesey. Gives you the ability to look for races which optimise best for that. Not balanced to all races. Humans lose everything. Raptorans lose jack all. Elves lose everything except the stat change, but that is balanced in of itself. Dwarves have a stat change same as elves But lose their cool movement ness. So they are weaker than elves as they have the same thing stats but a slower movement. As a few examples of why its broken and not balanced to even the PHB races.
mmshah 10-12-07, 01:28 AM	Humans don't quite lose everything, they lose a feat, but it doesn't have to be their bonus feat, it can be any feat even a class one as long is it doesn't disqualify you for other stuff you already have. Sometimes you can apply the same template twice. For example a half-red/halfblack dragon templates added to the same base char, this example is used in some of the books. This seems very similar to adding the Dragonborn template twice picking different aspects. The only thing is that its a LA+0 template, which makes it kinda unfair since your really not paying anything for it. But this wasn't my question, Its outright munchkin, I have no disagreement about that. Just seems to me that if you can add half-dragon twice you should be able to add any template twice if there are different "aspects" to it that you can choose from. This is one advantage of using Human(base) and then applying Dragonborn twice over using Raptoran, you get to keep your feat if theres another class one you can lose that doesnt disqualify you for you class(es).
Saefal 10-12-07, 07:09 AM	But you can't add Half-dragon twice, Half-Dragon can only be applied to a non-dragon and Half-dragon makes you into type dragon. It is not in any WoTC publication and makes no sense. So your logic breaks down. That being said, of course you can't add Dragonborn twice, its a transformational power and you are already transformed.