Dvati Questions [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dvati Questions [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Sinfire Titan
02-12-08, 03:01 PM Cross-posted in the Classes section.

Here are a few questions:

The Dvati race from Dragon Compendium states spellcasting rules for the twins, but left out ToB Strike and MoI Soulmelds.

The question is: A 20th level Dvati Warblade has Dual Stance, four stances, and two bodies. Looking at the fluff, it would appear that such a character can be in 4 stances at once, and receive the benefit from all of them. Is this a correct interpretation?

Also, Soulmelds occupy magic item slots when bound. But a Dvati has 20 such slots. Does this mean that they can benefit from magic items and Chakra binds without a feat? What about in Gestalt games, where yo are a Dvati Incarnate/Totemist?

And, finally: What about a Dvati with the feat Trickery Devotion? How many duplicates are created, since the twins are the same character? One, or two?
Reyemile
02-12-08, 03:07 PM The answer is that Dvati don't actually exist; they are a poorly thought out, poorly balanced figure of your imagination. We know that they are non-existent because they are incompatible with 90% of the rest of the D&D rules, and Wizards would never publish any rules that contradicted on another.
Sinfire Titan
02-12-08, 03:24 PM The answer is that Dvati don't actually exist; they are a poorly thought out, poorly balanced figure of your imagination. We know that they are non-existent because they are incompatible with 90% of the rest of the D&D rules, and Wizards would never publish any rules that contradicted on another.

I need an actual answer, not a knee-jerk response.
Reyemile
02-14-08, 11:42 PM My response was sarcastic, but not knee-jerk.

Dvati don't work with most of the rules. There is no answer to your question because they don't work; you have to decide for yourself within your game what they do. You won't find an official answer anywhere.
Tordak
02-15-08, 03:55 PM Ok, I'll try to help.

I think the correct way is that they split the amount of manouvers much like spells, and same goes for soulmeld (they split the available essentia pool, creates half the available soul meld for a day, etc). They are, however, different individuals when it comes to body slots and effects, so both could use a different souldmeld for their arm, for example, and each could use a different manouver (they would get through their readied manouvers pool more quickly).

For your stance question, they should each have 2 stances, different one probably but nothing prevents them to have the same stance (it would be DM's ruling), and would both benefit from their own 2 stances, not the ones from their twin. The person who's using the stance gets the benefit, not others (unless it's a special stance, like martial stance). Think of the stance as , well, a stance, so a way to position yourself : no matter the link between the 2, unless they are somehow force to move the same way (which I don't think they do), they get to 'stand' which ever way they want.

I don't think Dvati are like the GIJOE twins.
ZiggZagg
02-15-08, 05:34 PM Well the reason those rules were left out of their description is that those rules did not exist at the time of their creation. I would say that Tordak did a good job of interpretting the maneuvers and everything though. What I have a question about is this. In general, do the twins act as two separate entities, like both can take full attacks all their own, or one could use a maneuver and the other could full attack? Just trying to figure out how to actually play them
Tordak
02-15-08, 10:20 PM They're complicated. What they share is mostly about mind. They can act as they wish, but taking full attack action for example, but when one cast a spell the other cannot take any other action (even a free one) or it disrupt the casting of the spell. The only real issue is the casting of spell.

So that's where it seems touchy for maneuvers, because manouvers work sort of like spell, but are physical attacks too.
ZiggZagg
02-15-08, 10:25 PM Here is an interesting question. Would it be broken to make a gestalt Dvati and have each twin represent a different half?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Sinfire Titan 02-12-08, 03:01 PM	Cross-posted in the Classes section. Here are a few questions: The Dvati race from Dragon Compendium states spellcasting rules for the twins, but left out ToB Strike and MoI Soulmelds. The question is: A 20th level Dvati Warblade has Dual Stance, four stances, and two bodies. Looking at the fluff, it would appear that such a character can be in 4 stances at once, and receive the benefit from all of them. Is this a correct interpretation? Also, Soulmelds occupy magic item slots when bound. But a Dvati has 20 such slots. Does this mean that they can benefit from magic items and Chakra binds without a feat? What about in Gestalt games, where yo are a Dvati Incarnate/Totemist? And, finally: What about a Dvati with the feat Trickery Devotion? How many duplicates are created, since the twins are the same character? One, or two?
Reyemile 02-12-08, 03:07 PM	The answer is that Dvati don't actually exist; they are a poorly thought out, poorly balanced figure of your imagination. We know that they are non-existent because they are incompatible with 90% of the rest of the D&D rules, and Wizards would never publish any rules that contradicted on another.
Sinfire Titan 02-12-08, 03:24 PM	The answer is that Dvati don't actually exist; they are a poorly thought out, poorly balanced figure of your imagination. We know that they are non-existent because they are incompatible with 90% of the rest of the D&D rules, and Wizards would never publish any rules that contradicted on another. I need an actual answer, not a knee-jerk response.
Reyemile 02-14-08, 11:42 PM	My response was sarcastic, but not knee-jerk. Dvati don't work with most of the rules. There is no answer to your question because they don't work; you have to decide for yourself within your game what they do. You won't find an official answer anywhere.
Tordak 02-15-08, 03:55 PM	Ok, I'll try to help. I think the correct way is that they split the amount of manouvers much like spells, and same goes for soulmeld (they split the available essentia pool, creates half the available soul meld for a day, etc). They are, however, different individuals when it comes to body slots and effects, so both could use a different souldmeld for their arm, for example, and each could use a different manouver (they would get through their readied manouvers pool more quickly). For your stance question, they should each have 2 stances, different one probably but nothing prevents them to have the same stance (it would be DM's ruling), and would both benefit from their own 2 stances, not the ones from their twin. The person who's using the stance gets the benefit, not others (unless it's a special stance, like martial stance). Think of the stance as , well, a stance, so a way to position yourself : no matter the link between the 2, unless they are somehow force to move the same way (which I don't think they do), they get to 'stand' which ever way they want. I don't think Dvati are like the GIJOE twins.
ZiggZagg 02-15-08, 05:34 PM	Well the reason those rules were left out of their description is that those rules did not exist at the time of their creation. I would say that Tordak did a good job of interpretting the maneuvers and everything though. What I have a question about is this. In general, do the twins act as two separate entities, like both can take full attacks all their own, or one could use a maneuver and the other could full attack? Just trying to figure out how to actually play them
Tordak 02-15-08, 10:20 PM	They're complicated. What they share is mostly about mind. They can act as they wish, but taking full attack action for example, but when one cast a spell the other cannot take any other action (even a free one) or it disrupt the casting of the spell. The only real issue is the casting of spell. So that's where it seems touchy for maneuvers, because manouvers work sort of like spell, but are physical attacks too.
ZiggZagg 02-15-08, 10:25 PM	Here is an interesting question. Would it be broken to make a gestalt Dvati and have each twin represent a different half?