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adiaven
03-24-04, 12:33 PM What about the unholy union of Dwarf and Orc? This creature would be outcast from both cultures... a hideous brute that lives underground.

About as tall as a human, but stout and strong.

Abilities:
+2 Str
+2 Con
-2 Int
-4 Cha
Darkvision 60'
+2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison. Dworcs are hardy and resistant to toxins.
Thomar_of_Uointer
03-24-04, 01:35 PM That's all?

What about dwarf and orc blood: items that work for dwarves work for them, and items that work for orcs work for them.

They need a favored class. Probably barbarian.

Give them the dwarf's ability to move at full speed even while in heavy armor or burdened.
Mumbling Rogue
03-25-04, 01:08 AM Dworc sounds like Dork. I guess it could be done...
Mathijs
11-09-06, 10:59 AM oh dear i can picture this now a orc with a long ale dripping beard and ofc some fangs with that two.
Qube
11-09-06, 11:51 AM Abilities:
+2 Str
+2 Con
-2 Int
-4 Cha
Darkvision 60'
+2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison. Dworcs are hardy and resistant to toxins.
you know this is a LA+1 race don't you ? (yust like the hobgoblin, its a little bit better then the half-orc: still charisma dumpstat, better warrior)
-> so i would give it all abilities of the dwarf, and some more abilities of the orc

btw why are your stats a combi of half-orc + dwarf instead of orc+dwarf? perhaps that would make it more balanced (though i don't have the MM here so i can't say for sure).

i'dd say

+2 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Wis, -4 Cha
Darkvision 60'
+2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison.

makes it balanced.
RobbyPants
11-09-06, 11:56 AM Why would the Cha penalty be -4. Both orcs and dwarves have -2. The average of -2 and -2 is -2. It's not like one of the races is a template that modifies the base race with -2 Cha.

I think I'd propose something like +2 Str, +2 Con, - 2 Cha if you wanted a LA +1 race, and maybe something like +2 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Wis, -2 Cha for a LA +0 race.
Krusk
11-09-06, 12:08 PM You said its a hideous outcast that lives underground. consider adding in light sensitivity and a bonus to hide and move silently as it has to avoid notice of the dwarves.
AMGriffin
11-09-06, 12:32 PM Seems kinda weak, but then again I guess not so much compared to the regular half-orc. For a "Dworc" of this type I'd say the stats would be

+2 strength, -2 dexterity, +2 constituion, -2 Wisdom, -2 Charisma. This would succeed in setting it apart from the half-orc to some extent.
The_Shaman
11-09-06, 01:45 PM Just out of curiosity, how about dwelfs?
Ryusage
04-09-07, 09:19 AM Just out of curiosity, how about dwelfs?

it's been done.
Wharin
04-09-07, 10:07 AM it's been done.

LIAR!!!! LIIIIAAaaaaaarrrrrr!!!

Why would anyone EVER make hybrid races like that... Its Blashemy! Its MADNESS!
Warforged Goblin
04-09-07, 10:13 AM It's Blashemy! It's MADNESS!

I think that's why, actually. That and boredom.
AMGriffin
04-09-07, 03:24 PM I've made a elf/orc, dwarf/elf, and dwarf/orc, as well as a human/dwarf.

Another user on these forums named Wharin has made the first three as well.
Yadot
04-09-07, 03:59 PM I think that's why, actually. That and boredom.
:)Look in Wharin's sig.
Wharin
04-09-07, 05:13 PM Why, good sir! I have no idea what you are talking about :incog:
leomunds_assistant
04-09-07, 05:35 PM Gratz to you Wharin on your creations. Great flavor and well thought:w00t:
penchant
04-09-07, 11:43 PM Wasn't a Human/dwarf called a Mule in Darksun (AD&D)?

Halfling/ogre = human:D
Wharin
04-10-07, 07:05 AM Wasn't a Human/dwarf called a Mule in Darksun (AD&D)?

Actually its "Mul", but close enough.

And in Forgotten Realms its called a Derro. And in Greyhawk (though maybe its FR as well) its called "just a slightly bit taller Dwarf"
Razorgrin
04-12-07, 05:28 PM I once created an NPC who was a half-kobold gnome. He wasn't a very pretty fellow, but good with the stabbity.
AMGriffin
04-12-07, 07:12 PM Ya know what, I'm gonna take another crack at the "Dworc".
bobothechimp
04-12-07, 07:23 PM Actually, it makes more sense to be a combination of dwarf and half-orc, because when you look at it, it still is a half-orc, but also half-dwarf.
AMGriffin
04-12-07, 08:24 PM ^ I don't follow your logic. At all.
bobothechimp
04-12-07, 11:00 PM Sorry, I typed that absolutely horribly.

A half-orc is the offspring of a human and an orc. One of these Dworcs is the offspring of a dwarf and an orc. It makes sense in this case to combine dwarf and half-orc racial traits.
WhiteRaven810
04-12-07, 11:07 PM I have a Dworc race statted in my signature. It's pretty close to your model.
Wharin
04-12-07, 11:08 PM Sorry, I typed that absolutely horribly.

A half-orc is the offspring of a human and an orc. One of these Dworcs is the offspring of a dwarf and an orc. It makes sense in this case to combine dwarf and half-orc racial traits.

Well yess and no. Obviously a dworc should have at least some of the characteristics of both a dwarf and a (half) orc. But there a few things you gotta keep in mind when you feel the need to make hybrid races.

-Balance. Just simply putting *all* the abilities of both races would not be balanced for a LA +0 race. There's simply too much.

-Being sure to not just take half of each races' stats/bonus and slap them to gether. You end up with a completely mediocre race with sometimes confusing bonus interactions

-Don't be afraid of thinking up new abilities that make sense for said combined race. That way the race has something unique about it to make it its own.
sigma999
04-12-07, 11:13 PM Dwarf + Orc.. hmm........

Dour yet uncouth. Sturdy and muscular. Beer. Violence. And absolutely uncultured.
Seems like every fratboy I've met in my 5 years of college.

Throw in sports cars their parents bought them, random promiscuity, rage control issues, complete inability to regulate alchohol intake, and you're all set!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
adiaven 03-24-04, 12:33 PM	What about the unholy union of Dwarf and Orc? This creature would be outcast from both cultures... a hideous brute that lives underground. About as tall as a human, but stout and strong. Abilities: +2 Str +2 Con -2 Int -4 Cha Darkvision 60' +2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison. Dworcs are hardy and resistant to toxins.
Thomar_of_Uointer 03-24-04, 01:35 PM	That's all? What about dwarf and orc blood: items that work for dwarves work for them, and items that work for orcs work for them. They need a favored class. Probably barbarian. Give them the dwarf's ability to move at full speed even while in heavy armor or burdened.
Mumbling Rogue 03-25-04, 01:08 AM	Dworc sounds like Dork. I guess it could be done...
Mathijs 11-09-06, 10:59 AM	oh dear i can picture this now a orc with a long ale dripping beard and ofc some fangs with that two.
Qube 11-09-06, 11:51 AM	Abilities: +2 Str +2 Con -2 Int -4 Cha Darkvision 60' +2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison. Dworcs are hardy and resistant to toxins. you know this is a LA+1 race don't you ? (yust like the hobgoblin, its a little bit better then the half-orc: still charisma dumpstat, better warrior) -> so i would give it all abilities of the dwarf, and some more abilities of the orc btw why are your stats a combi of half-orc + dwarf instead of orc+dwarf? perhaps that would make it more balanced (though i don't have the MM here so i can't say for sure). i'dd say +2 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Wis, -4 Cha Darkvision 60' +2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison. makes it balanced.
RobbyPants 11-09-06, 11:56 AM	Why would the Cha penalty be -4. Both orcs and dwarves have -2. The average of -2 and -2 is -2. It's not like one of the races is a template that modifies the base race with -2 Cha. I think I'd propose something like +2 Str, +2 Con, - 2 Cha if you wanted a LA +1 race, and maybe something like +2 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Wis, -2 Cha for a LA +0 race.
Krusk 11-09-06, 12:08 PM	You said its a hideous outcast that lives underground. consider adding in light sensitivity and a bonus to hide and move silently as it has to avoid notice of the dwarves.
AMGriffin 11-09-06, 12:32 PM	Seems kinda weak, but then again I guess not so much compared to the regular half-orc. For a "Dworc" of this type I'd say the stats would be +2 strength, -2 dexterity, +2 constituion, -2 Wisdom, -2 Charisma. This would succeed in setting it apart from the half-orc to some extent.
The_Shaman 11-09-06, 01:45 PM	Just out of curiosity, how about dwelfs?
Ryusage 04-09-07, 09:19 AM	Just out of curiosity, how about dwelfs? it's been done.
Wharin 04-09-07, 10:07 AM	it's been done. LIAR!!!! LIIIIAAaaaaaarrrrrr!!! Why would anyone EVER make hybrid races like that... Its Blashemy! Its MADNESS!
Warforged Goblin 04-09-07, 10:13 AM	It's Blashemy! It's MADNESS! I think that's why, actually. That and boredom.
AMGriffin 04-09-07, 03:24 PM	I've made a elf/orc, dwarf/elf, and dwarf/orc, as well as a human/dwarf. Another user on these forums named Wharin has made the first three as well.
Yadot 04-09-07, 03:59 PM	I think that's why, actually. That and boredom. :)Look in Wharin's sig.
Wharin 04-09-07, 05:13 PM	Why, good sir! I have no idea what you are talking about :incog:
leomunds_assistant 04-09-07, 05:35 PM	Gratz to you Wharin on your creations. Great flavor and well thought:w00t:
penchant 04-09-07, 11:43 PM	Wasn't a Human/dwarf called a Mule in Darksun (AD&D)? Halfling/ogre = human:D
Wharin 04-10-07, 07:05 AM	Wasn't a Human/dwarf called a Mule in Darksun (AD&D)? Actually its "Mul", but close enough. And in Forgotten Realms its called a Derro. And in Greyhawk (though maybe its FR as well) its called "just a slightly bit taller Dwarf"
Razorgrin 04-12-07, 05:28 PM	I once created an NPC who was a half-kobold gnome. He wasn't a very pretty fellow, but good with the stabbity.
AMGriffin 04-12-07, 07:12 PM	Ya know what, I'm gonna take another crack at the "Dworc".
bobothechimp 04-12-07, 07:23 PM	Actually, it makes more sense to be a combination of dwarf and half-orc, because when you look at it, it still is a half-orc, but also half-dwarf.
AMGriffin 04-12-07, 08:24 PM	^ I don't follow your logic. At all.
bobothechimp 04-12-07, 11:00 PM	Sorry, I typed that absolutely horribly. A half-orc is the offspring of a human and an orc. One of these Dworcs is the offspring of a dwarf and an orc. It makes sense in this case to combine dwarf and half-orc racial traits.
WhiteRaven810 04-12-07, 11:07 PM	I have a Dworc race statted in my signature. It's pretty close to your model.
Wharin 04-12-07, 11:08 PM	Sorry, I typed that absolutely horribly. A half-orc is the offspring of a human and an orc. One of these Dworcs is the offspring of a dwarf and an orc. It makes sense in this case to combine dwarf and half-orc racial traits. Well yess and no. Obviously a dworc should have at least some of the characteristics of both a dwarf and a (half) orc. But there a few things you gotta keep in mind when you feel the need to make hybrid races. -Balance. Just simply putting all the abilities of both races would not be balanced for a LA +0 race. There's simply too much. -Being sure to not just take half of each races' stats/bonus and slap them to gether. You end up with a completely mediocre race with sometimes confusing bonus interactions -Don't be afraid of thinking up new abilities that make sense for said combined race. That way the race has something unique about it to make it its own.
sigma999 04-12-07, 11:13 PM	Dwarf + Orc.. hmm........ Dour yet uncouth. Sturdy and muscular. Beer. Violence. And absolutely uncultured. Seems like every fratboy I've met in my 5 years of college. Throw in sports cars their parents bought them, random promiscuity, rage control issues, complete inability to regulate alchohol intake, and you're all set!