Post/Author/DateTime	Post
nighttree 01-18-08, 11:39 PM	The Effigy creature template from CA has a listed LA of - (and yes I know that means that it is not normally available to a player character ;) ) HOWEVER.....it's the best way to create a character concept (with Awaken construct spell), that we are trying to figure out. I ran the stats through Soldarins ECL calculator and got a +0.9 (= +1 LA) Wanted to see if others thought that sounded about right ???
FrostWolf 01-19-08, 12:12 AM	It all depends on how much of the critters abilities are being lost.
Captain_Kobold 01-19-08, 12:31 AM	Doesn't an effigy creture lose its Intelligence score as well as its Constitution? What sort of changes to the effigy template atr you making? If you want a construct-like race, you might want to try looking at the Warforged for ideas.
nighttree 01-19-08, 10:20 AM	The Effigy template basically changes your type to construct (construct traits, no con, 0 Int, 1 Cha). Gives you a bonus to Str, and Natural Armor, Low DR based on HD, and minus to Dex.
Xiuhcoatl 01-19-08, 10:31 AM	Int -- means that, baring an Awakened Construct spell cast upon it, it cannot be a player character.
nighttree 01-19-08, 12:40 PM	Exactly :D Hence the mention of that very spell in the original post ;)
Avolakian 01-19-08, 02:41 PM	I ran a normal human Effigy through YabaTheWhat's feature point system and came up with a total ECL of 5 (+4 level adjustment plus one Hit Dice).
nighttree 01-19-08, 09:53 PM	I ran a normal human Effigy through YabaTheWhat's feature point system and came up with a total ECL of 5 (+4 level adjustment plus one Hit Dice). WHO'S WHAT :confused: I assume that's another ECL calculator ? For ECL 5 I could just use the Maug. I'd get higher HD, a bonus to Str, Dex, Int, & Cha (so no need for the awaken construct spell). Large size, rapid repair, and a few other perks :D I did find a "Magical Construct template" by Monte Cook (3.5 compatable), but same thing....no LA listed :mad:
Essex 01-20-08, 02:14 PM	Combining the Effigy template from Complete Arcane (pgs. 152-153) and the Incarnate Construct template from Savage Species (pg. 121) seems to give the following modifiers: 1 racial HD, which is dropped for medium creatures because they become humanoids, which replace a single racial HD with a character class. +2 to natural armor (max. bonus +3, if the original creature also had a bonus to natural armor). +4 Str. (modified by the original creature's Strength), -2 Dex. (modified by the original creature's Dexterity), roll Con., Int., & Wis. without modifiers, roll Cha. and consult page 173 of the DMG for how that result will modify a base score of 3. Drop all other SA, SQ, and other abilities (including Darkvision and natural attacks). I'd give such a creature an LA of +0 or +1 (modified by the original creature's LA). The unusual Strength is balanced by a low Dexterity and a VERY low Charisma, leaving a being whose ONLY OTHER benefit is a +2 (or +3) to natural armor. I can foresee some interesting roleplaying aspect to such a character.
Red_Wizards_Rock 01-21-08, 02:19 PM	It would be the LA of the monster the Effigy is made to be + 1 would be the total LA.