Fast healing? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Fast healing? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Slobad_the_rogue
06-26-07, 09:51 PM I'm wondering what the level adjustment for a race with fast healing should be?
Rerecros
06-26-07, 10:24 PM Well you'd have to show us the race, and see the power of all it's abilities and how they interact, but i'd say each point of fast healing as about half a LA.
Thomar_of_Uointer
06-27-07, 01:04 AM Well you'd have to show us the race, and see the power of all it's abilities and how they interact, but i'd say each point of fast healing as about half a LA.

Yep. Fast healing alone is never just fast healing alone. You have other racial abilities too which also contribute to the LA, making it more or less effective.

I find it mildly hilarious that you didn't specify how much fast healing. Care to explain that?
Fallenangel359
06-27-07, 11:23 AM saint is LA 2, has a ton of abilities, and fast healing 1/2 hd
lint trap
06-27-07, 02:34 PM The Saint is usually a bad example when talking about balanced level adjustments.
DrStalker
06-27-07, 09:43 PM The Saint is usually a bad example when talking about balanced level adjustments.

What about Feral then? LA 1 for Fast Healing that scales up to 5 and a huge collection of other benefits. Seems more broken to me than saint, but I've not read the book of exalted deeds in full detail. (I can access a copy but don't own it)
tui
06-29-07, 03:01 PM From the Lists of Stuff (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=662842), here are some templates that have Fast Healing:

Half-Troll +4 LA (Fiend Folio)
Saint +2 LA (BoED)
Feral +1 LA (SS)
Anarchic +5 LA (Planar HB, at 4+ HD)
Shadow +2 LA (Lords of Madness)
Half-Vampire +2 LA (LM), up to half full normal hit points
Evolved Undead +1 LA (LM)
Vivacious +5 LA (Planar HB)
Radiant +3 LA (Dragon #321) (when exposed to any light source)
Curst +3 LA (LEoF)
Greenbound +5 LA (LEoF)
Dry Lich (Walker in the Waste 10, PrC Sandstorm)
Unholy Scion +5 (Heroes of Horror), fast healing 4

I'm of the opinion that Feral is more balanced at +2.. and Saint was purposely made with an artificially low LA because of the RP conditions, but I don't know what a balanced LA would be.
Deirheim
07-03-07, 05:20 PM Pay a spellcaster for the spell wish or miracle and ask for fast healing? You spend money but there's any LA with that...?
Findail
07-03-07, 06:29 PM Fast Healing 1 is much, much better than no Fast Healing... but Fast Healing 2 isn't much of an improvement over Fast Healing 1. A single point of Fast Healing means that you can fight all day long without a Cleric in the party (or, if there is a Cleric, he never needs to spend any of his spells on cures) if you can rest between battles (10 minutes of rest gives 100 hitpoints with FH 1).

I'd say this is quite a big boost for a low-level character, rather less so for a higher-level one. At least a +2 LA for FH1, maybe more. A few PrC's offer it, but no DMG item does (the Ring of Regeneration is much, much slower).
jago668
07-11-07, 04:59 PM FH 1 is not a +2 LA. It is not worth 2 HD, the saves, the BAB, and the class abilites. Definately worth a +1 LA with a little room for something else, like some racial skill modifiers.
Qube
07-12-07, 09:57 AM is IMO the easiestand most accesable way

Liber Mortis:
Necorpolitan + Evolved Undead gives you fast healing 3 and a few other nice bonusses

Feral is nice, but not alway usefull

(and LL is more accepted then SS)
PsycoWiLL
07-23-07, 12:35 PM i dont know if u guys ever noticed, but feral's fast healing requires you to have racial hit dice, as well as some other features of the template... so la1 is not unballanced for that... consider you will have to be of a race with racial hd (wich usually comes with LA also...)
Malchius
07-23-07, 12:46 PM according to Savage Species Fast Healing 1-3 is worth LA 1 an d above is worth LA 2 or above but that's not definite of course.
EvilVegan
07-23-07, 12:55 PM i dont know if u guys ever noticed, but feral's fast healing requires you to have racial hit dice, as well as some other features of the template... so la1 is not unballanced for that... consider you will have to be of a race with racial hd (wich usually comes with LA also...)

That isn't entirely true.

The first set of abilities, special attacks and whatnot, specify racial hit die.

The second set of abilities, special qualities which includes darkvision and fast healing makes no mention of racial hit die, simply hit die.

I'd say DMs call with RAW in favor of scaling qualities based on total HD and attacks based on racial hit die.
PsycoWiLL
07-23-07, 01:10 PM That isn't entirely true.

The first set of abilities, special attacks and whatnot, specify racial hit die.

The second set of abilities, special qualities which includes darkvision and fast healing makes no mention of racial hit die, simply hit die.

I'd say DMs call with RAW in favor of scaling qualities based on total HD and attacks based on racial hit die.

havent read the entry for a while and hae no access to the books here, im just recalling my experience playing a feral a couple of years ago... if the second part really doesnt mention racial thats really broken, and my former character was even more immortal, :rofl:
thx for bringing that up again ;)
Xaktsaroth
07-23-07, 01:28 PM i dont know if u guys ever noticed, but feral's fast healing requires you to have racial hit dice, as well as some other features of the template... so la1 is not unballanced for that... consider you will have to be of a race with racial hd (wich usually comes with LA also...)

Cust Serv has ruled that Races that would exchange their 1 HD for a class level count class HD as racial HD for all purposes.

So, a feral Human/Kobold/Pixie, would rock.

A feral lizardfolk(2HD) or Bugbear(3HD) is tied to it's racial HD, and would not rock as hard.
PsycoWiLL
07-23-07, 01:52 PM Cust Serv has ruled that Races that would exchange their 1 HD for a class level count class HD as racial HD for all purposes.

So, a feral Human/Kobold/Pixie, would rock.

A feral lizardfolk(2HD) or Bugbear(3HD) is tied to it's racial HD, and would not rock as hard.

awsome info, ty 4 sharing(tho not definitive...)
EvilVegan
07-23-07, 01:54 PM Cust Serv has ruled that Races that would exchange their 1 HD for a class level count class HD as racial HD for all purposes.OMG! Yet another reason I'll take the rulings of a 4 year old with down syndrome over the word of cust serv.

"Hey little guy, can a feral human 12th level barbarian get a pouncing rake attack?"

"Myahgahnegh."

"Well, at least thats a better answer than cust serv!"

Seriously, do you have a reference for that?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Slobad_the_rogue 06-26-07, 09:51 PM	I'm wondering what the level adjustment for a race with fast healing should be?
Rerecros 06-26-07, 10:24 PM	Well you'd have to show us the race, and see the power of all it's abilities and how they interact, but i'd say each point of fast healing as about half a LA.
Thomar_of_Uointer 06-27-07, 01:04 AM	Well you'd have to show us the race, and see the power of all it's abilities and how they interact, but i'd say each point of fast healing as about half a LA. Yep. Fast healing alone is never just fast healing alone. You have other racial abilities too which also contribute to the LA, making it more or less effective. I find it mildly hilarious that you didn't specify how much fast healing. Care to explain that?
Fallenangel359 06-27-07, 11:23 AM	saint is LA 2, has a ton of abilities, and fast healing 1/2 hd
lint trap 06-27-07, 02:34 PM	The Saint is usually a bad example when talking about balanced level adjustments.
DrStalker 06-27-07, 09:43 PM	The Saint is usually a bad example when talking about balanced level adjustments. What about Feral then? LA 1 for Fast Healing that scales up to 5 and a huge collection of other benefits. Seems more broken to me than saint, but I've not read the book of exalted deeds in full detail. (I can access a copy but don't own it)
tui 06-29-07, 03:01 PM	From the Lists of Stuff (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=662842), here are some templates that have Fast Healing: Half-Troll +4 LA (Fiend Folio) Saint +2 LA (BoED) Feral +1 LA (SS) Anarchic +5 LA (Planar HB, at 4+ HD) Shadow +2 LA (Lords of Madness) Half-Vampire +2 LA (LM), up to half full normal hit points Evolved Undead +1 LA (LM) Vivacious +5 LA (Planar HB) Radiant +3 LA (Dragon #321) (when exposed to any light source) Curst +3 LA (LEoF) Greenbound +5 LA (LEoF) Dry Lich (Walker in the Waste 10, PrC Sandstorm) Unholy Scion +5 (Heroes of Horror), fast healing 4 I'm of the opinion that Feral is more balanced at +2.. and Saint was purposely made with an artificially low LA because of the RP conditions, but I don't know what a balanced LA would be.
Deirheim 07-03-07, 05:20 PM	Pay a spellcaster for the spell wish or miracle and ask for fast healing? You spend money but there's any LA with that...?
Findail 07-03-07, 06:29 PM	Fast Healing 1 is much, much better than no Fast Healing... but Fast Healing 2 isn't much of an improvement over Fast Healing 1. A single point of Fast Healing means that you can fight all day long without a Cleric in the party (or, if there is a Cleric, he never needs to spend any of his spells on cures) if you can rest between battles (10 minutes of rest gives 100 hitpoints with FH 1). I'd say this is quite a big boost for a low-level character, rather less so for a higher-level one. At least a +2 LA for FH1, maybe more. A few PrC's offer it, but no DMG item does (the Ring of Regeneration is much, much slower).
jago668 07-11-07, 04:59 PM	FH 1 is not a +2 LA. It is not worth 2 HD, the saves, the BAB, and the class abilites. Definately worth a +1 LA with a little room for something else, like some racial skill modifiers.
Qube 07-12-07, 09:57 AM	is IMO the easiestand most accesable way Liber Mortis: Necorpolitan + Evolved Undead gives you fast healing 3 and a few other nice bonusses Feral is nice, but not alway usefull (and LL is more accepted then SS)
PsycoWiLL 07-23-07, 12:35 PM	i dont know if u guys ever noticed, but feral's fast healing requires you to have racial hit dice, as well as some other features of the template... so la1 is not unballanced for that... consider you will have to be of a race with racial hd (wich usually comes with LA also...)
Malchius 07-23-07, 12:46 PM	according to Savage Species Fast Healing 1-3 is worth LA 1 an d above is worth LA 2 or above but that's not definite of course.
EvilVegan 07-23-07, 12:55 PM	i dont know if u guys ever noticed, but feral's fast healing requires you to have racial hit dice, as well as some other features of the template... so la1 is not unballanced for that... consider you will have to be of a race with racial hd (wich usually comes with LA also...) That isn't entirely true. The first set of abilities, special attacks and whatnot, specify racial hit die. The second set of abilities, special qualities which includes darkvision and fast healing makes no mention of racial hit die, simply hit die. I'd say DMs call with RAW in favor of scaling qualities based on total HD and attacks based on racial hit die.
PsycoWiLL 07-23-07, 01:10 PM	That isn't entirely true. The first set of abilities, special attacks and whatnot, specify racial hit die. The second set of abilities, special qualities which includes darkvision and fast healing makes no mention of racial hit die, simply hit die. I'd say DMs call with RAW in favor of scaling qualities based on total HD and attacks based on racial hit die. havent read the entry for a while and hae no access to the books here, im just recalling my experience playing a feral a couple of years ago... if the second part really doesnt mention racial thats really broken, and my former character was even more immortal, :rofl: thx for bringing that up again ;)
Xaktsaroth 07-23-07, 01:28 PM	i dont know if u guys ever noticed, but feral's fast healing requires you to have racial hit dice, as well as some other features of the template... so la1 is not unballanced for that... consider you will have to be of a race with racial hd (wich usually comes with LA also...) Cust Serv has ruled that Races that would exchange their 1 HD for a class level count class HD as racial HD for all purposes. So, a feral Human/Kobold/Pixie, would rock. A feral lizardfolk(2HD) or Bugbear(3HD) is tied to it's racial HD, and would not rock as hard.
PsycoWiLL 07-23-07, 01:52 PM	Cust Serv has ruled that Races that would exchange their 1 HD for a class level count class HD as racial HD for all purposes. So, a feral Human/Kobold/Pixie, would rock. A feral lizardfolk(2HD) or Bugbear(3HD) is tied to it's racial HD, and would not rock as hard. awsome info, ty 4 sharing(tho not definitive...)
EvilVegan 07-23-07, 01:54 PM	Cust Serv has ruled that Races that would exchange their 1 HD for a class level count class HD as racial HD for all purposes.OMG! Yet another reason I'll take the rulings of a 4 year old with down syndrome over the word of cust serv. "Hey little guy, can a feral human 12th level barbarian get a pouncing rake attack?" "Myahgahnegh." "Well, at least thats a better answer than cust serv!" Seriously, do you have a reference for that?