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Dracomortis 02-28-07, 08:14 PM	From a purely flavor standpoint, what do you think that the standard elves (high elves) should have as a favored class? So far, we have these arguments: Bard: The elves are renowned both for their love of and their skill at creating beautiful works of art, music, and poetry. As stated in the Player's Handbook, they also have a natural penchant for magic. Fighter: Skilled equally at swordplay and archery, only the intense and versatile training of the fighter would allow them such mastery in the art of warfare. Ranger: High elves are skilled at archery and swordplay, have a connection to the natural world, and develop their woodland abilities. Rogue: An elf's natural grace may lend them to pursue the path of the rogue, particularly in woodland areas (Unearthed Arcana's wilderness rogue, perhaps?). Sorcerer: Elves have been practicing magic for thousands of years. Over time, this magic would probably begin to infuse the very essence of elven kind. Wizard: Despite the fact that they have been using magic for so long, an elf is not neccesarily born with the talent. They dabble in the arcane arts alongside martial training.
JarionSilverblades 02-28-07, 08:18 PM	Actually between their love of Art, Music and Magic, I think Bard.
Dracomortis 02-28-07, 08:20 PM	Huh, didn't think about that one. I'll add it to the list, but it seems like half-elves would be more bard-oriented, given to their constant wandering between different cultures.
Fencerboy 02-28-07, 08:43 PM	Elves are described as being so broad they could have almost every class as their favored one (except maybe Barbarian) My vote lies with sorcerer. Elves have been practising magic for many ages, and so why wouldn't some of it be hereditary? Then they could be fighters, having been described as excellent swordmen and bowmen. (Not trying to be sexist:P ) You have given good bard reasons, and rogue is another good candidate. So really it depends on what role elves fill in your campaign. I houserule sorcerer.
Dracomortis 02-28-07, 08:46 PM	I go with sorcerer as well, for much the same reasons, but I'm curious as to how everyone else views them. Perhaps I should simply change it to "out of any class", rather than limiting it to those four.
AZNsupermarket 02-28-07, 09:25 PM	wizard, sorcerer, bard, druid, ranger, fighter, cleric... Between the dozens of elven sub-races out there, you could get any of them as an elf's favored class.
hiryuu 02-28-07, 09:27 PM	My vote lies with sorcerer. Elves have been practising magic for many ages, and so why wouldn't some of it be hereditary? Then they could be fighters, having been described as excellent swordmen and bowmen. (Not trying to be sexist:P ) Say it with me. Lamarckism bad. If somebody's family line pumps iron for years, is it a given that their children will be buff? Heavens, no. It might mean their kids have an easier time learning magic because they have perfected some teaching techniques that make it easier to pick up learning magic without distracting themselves from other pursuits... and.... wait a second.... oh yeah. Wizard. Favored class should be written as "favored multiclass," the class you can easily pick up one or two levels in. Elves have always been wizardy, devoted to the intellectual pursuit of magic as an art form, which, while art does require some talent, also requires a heck of a lot of mental ability. An artist with a lot of talent but no knowledge of color theory or visual weight or composition techniques will churn out meaningless garbage.
AMGriffin 02-28-07, 11:09 PM	^Yes but magic is corrosive and has all kinds of funky effects. It could profoundly effect casters so their children are born with magical powers. But I say bard. It combines aspects of music, magic, and swordplay.
MonkeyPaladin 02-28-07, 11:30 PM	I really want to say ranger. The wilderness skills, the light armor, archery, an animal companion, a little nature magic, it all says elf to me. Plus from a mechanical standpoint it's a better class to be able to dip into.
runestar 02-28-07, 11:33 PM	Star elves get favoured class: bard I think you can pretty much cherry pick the elven subrace you want for whatever purpose you have in mind.:)
Max the Immortal 03-01-07, 12:10 AM	Favored class should be written as "favored multiclass," the class you can easily pick up one or two levels in. Yes! Thank you! There are plenty of single-classed elven fighters, rangers, sorcerers, druids and rogues, but that isn't the issue here. The issue is what class that race is most likely to dabble in. The same way that it makes sense for a dwarven cleric or rogue to pick up four levels of fighter over his career, and elven rogue or fighter would pick up three or five levels of wizard. I really can't see it as common for a non-bard to dabble in being a bard, and most people, even elves, can't decide to become sorcerers. Being a druid is very much a way of life, and doesn't lend itself well to multiclassing (especially dabbling).
The_Shaman 03-01-07, 08:23 AM	IMO it should be either ranger or wizard for most subraces. Ranger, because they are usually skilled at woodcraft, stealth, and in previous editions used to have a strong rapport with animals and the fey. Wizards, because they have strong traditions of applied magic and have mixed it with nearly anything (see the bladesingers, spellsingers, and a ton of elven multiclass kits in 2nd ed.). I think it possible that some elves might have a favored class: bard if they are keen on collecting old lore and have a strong enough bardic traditions that even their warriors can be a bit of skalds along the way, but imo few of the D&D elven races fall in this category (as opposed to, say, Tolkien's elves).
Dracomortis 03-02-07, 03:32 PM	I realize different elves have different flavor, which is why I'm looking specifically for high elves. I don't really "have anything in mind", I'm just curious as to how everyone else views them, either as they are or as you think they should be.
nightwyrm 03-02-07, 04:26 PM	I would go with wizard, ranger or scout.
The_Shaman 03-02-07, 05:33 PM	Wizard or ranger; probably wizard for D&D high elves.
Lina_Inverse 03-02-07, 06:23 PM	Bard, if you think anything else your WRONG. Magic, Art, Sword wielding.
Angel Black 03-02-07, 08:57 PM	Tolkien fan says: Fighter,Legolas is a great one. Santa Claus says: Rogue, mine are skillful and tricky Rowling fan says: Sorcerer,innate magic is the best NES fan says:Ranger, the little guy in Adventure of Link is one Those who hunt elves fan says: Wizard, they are powerful magic users indeed. Record of Lodoss War fan says: Bard, mix of mage and fighter.Really nice bodies too.
Bhaal006 03-02-07, 09:00 PM	All elves should start with Cancer, suffering a -8 to all stats, for the duration of their entire lives.
Francius 03-02-07, 09:16 PM	Those who hunt elves fans... And who might those guys be? I hope you're not actually refering to those geeky mommy-besement dwellers with fat and lardy skin who get massacred when we play real outdoor combat scenes and can only hold their own at the gaming table because they happen to possesss a slightly better knowledge of the rules since the only thing they do 24-7 (and with their time given in general) is reading D&D books... :rofl: As for the OP,I say the elves make exccellent (if not best) rangers and wizards. I think elven musicians are not to be considered bards.Bard is a vague and somehow rude term if I may.Elven musicians usually are not adventurers because they deal more with the "art" of music and not so much with magic and sword(although they may possess a bit of knowledge in both since all elves somehow do). Bards on the other side are more roguish and grotesque.Devoted to music,yes; but slightly less than a true musician and more like a roguish and resourceful person akin to use music to achieve his personal goals without caring much about his music's quality as long as it works(not that his music can't be good). On the contrary,an elven practitioner of music instruments is strictly dedicated on the music's aspect of bringing melodic pleasure to his audience's senses and NOT to use it as a tool or weapon - like the Bard does.
Max the Immortal 03-02-07, 09:35 PM	Bard, if you think anything else your WRONG. Magic, Art, Sword wielding. That just makes bard a common class for single-classed elves. A bard has very little reason to multiclass, and fighters, rangers, wizards, druids, etc. (pretty much anyone) have very little reason to take a few levels of bard. The wizard class has all of the qualities you list. Magic: Check. Art: Nothing supernatural, but between having the craft, profession, and knowledge skills at his disposal, an elf wizard has many avenues through which to indulge his artistic side. One doesn't even need any skill ranks to have a deep appreciation of the fine arts. Check. Swordplay: All elves, even wizards, are proficient with longswords. Check. While they have a low BaB, multiclassing as fighter or ranger would be a much better choice than bard for an elf seeking to improve his combat skills. In fact, bard is a rather poor choice in this regard even compared to most other classes with a 3/4 BaB. I suggest that the next time you want to throw around the word "WRONG" in big capital letters, you ought to first double-check whether you're right.
hiryuu 03-02-07, 10:12 PM	And who might those guys be? Wikipedia is your friend. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Those_Who_Hunt_Elves) Sorcerer: Elves have been practicing magic for thousands of years. Over time, this magic would probably begin to infuse the very essence of elven kind. Let's phrase this another way: Humans have been stabbing things with spears for thousands of years. Over time, this spear-stabbing would probably begin to infuse the very essence of humankind.
benihana 03-02-07, 11:33 PM	Let's phrase this another way: Humans have been stabbing things with spears for thousands of years. Over time, this spear-stabbing would probably begin to infuse the very essence of humankind. Gnomes. Magic somehow got infused into their very being, considering they can all cast certain spells.
sigma999 03-02-07, 11:36 PM	I absolutely hate favored classes and most DMs I've been with (90% or more) prefer to simply ignore the whole concept. It's more of a suggestion anyway.
hiryuu 03-03-07, 12:17 AM	Gnomes. Magic somehow got infused into their very being, considering they can all cast certain spells. I'm not saying that it can't. I'm trying to state that "somehow" is a very bad word to use when describing change over time, especially since using magic repeatedly can't infuse it into you any more than repeatedly banging your head on a wall will make you part brick or writing a lot will turn your fingers into pencils.
JarionSilverblades 03-03-07, 09:01 AM	What about Warmage (I know not the greatest class), from Complete Arcane. It combines Magic and Sword play.
Mark_Constantino 03-03-07, 09:14 AM	Which sub-race of Elf has Rogue as its favored class?
Leatherwood 03-03-07, 09:30 AM	The favored class of Elves should be Druid. The favored class of Gnomes should be Wizard. :)
JarionSilverblades 03-03-07, 09:34 AM	The favored class of Gnomes should be Wizard. I wouldn't say Wizard, I'd say Favored Class: Illustionist.
AZNsupermarket 03-03-07, 09:48 AM	Which sub-race of Elf has Rogue as its favored class? none. The only favorite classes you can get out of an elven sub-races are: wizard, sorcerer, bard, druid, ranger, fighter, cleric. Unless you count half-elves, most of their favorite classes are "any", and rogues fall under that category.
The_Shaman 03-03-07, 05:16 PM	Which sub-race of Elf has Rogue as its favored class? I think (sue me) it should be the drow. They generally value specialization, but if there's one thing (IMO) their society encourages and all can be expected to know to a degree, it's the fine skills of espionage, intrigue and backstabbing. Favored class is about multiclassing, and if there's a common multiclass among the drow it should imo be the rogue.
Francius 03-03-07, 05:52 PM	Wikipedia is your friend. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Those_Who_Hunt_Elves) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Eventhough I consider myself a great and knowleadgeable manga fan (and my collection of manga comics is quite huge I can assure you) I didn't have the slightest idea the guy was referring to THAT title. I thought he was talking about some D&D players who happen to dislike elves and that's why I wrote what I did becuse it has happened that I met such persons and the scene ended like I described it. Anyway,funny coincidence. :D
Treymordin 03-03-07, 07:21 PM	The favored class of the elf depends on their sub-race.
ElberethSilverleaf 03-03-07, 10:24 PM	Let's phrase this another way: Humans have been stabbing things with spears for thousands of years. Over time, this spear-stabbing would probably begin to infuse the very essence of humankind. All I can say is "huh"? Unless you were being sarcastic...
ElberethSilverleaf 03-03-07, 10:27 PM	I wouldn't say Wizard, I'd say Favored Class: Illustionist. Agreed! For gnomes that is...
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-03-07, 11:32 PM	Actually, I think Wizard is just about right; Elves, like Wizards, are wussies that for outlandish reasons manage to survive s**t that's thrown at them and often stay alive for centuries because of their magical nature. Of course, not everyone survives because things have to go right sometimes. There is also a distinct lack of testosterone that the two have in common.
Dracomortis 03-04-07, 09:18 AM	I'm not saying that because someone's family has been using spears for thirteen generations that they're going to be born a 20th level "master of the pointy stick". Magic is more comparable to a substance rather than a tool. Think of it almost like a drug: even when you are not using it, it has lingering effects that stay with you for the rest of your life. And, like certain drugs, an infant can be born with a dependency on magic if the parent was a user of it himself.
hiryuu 03-04-07, 09:26 AM	Can't seem to find that in the rules anywhere.... in fact, it looks like if you want any lingering magical effects at all, you have to cut off pieces of your soul.
Dracomortis 03-04-07, 09:41 AM	Can't seem to find that in the rules anywhere.... in fact, it looks like if you want any lingering magical effects at all, you have to cut off pieces of your soul. Case and point: spelltouched feats (Unearthed Arcana). Through exposure to magical energies, you gain the ability to manifest your own for limited periods of time or under the right conditions.
Kursk 03-04-07, 10:39 AM	From a purely flavor standpoint, what do you think that the standard elves (high elves) should have as a favored class? So far, we have these arguments: I use Sorc in my campaign. Goes towards the Chaotic, rather than Lawful for Wizards and it plays to their "natural tendancies" towards magic as well as the fact in my game that Sorcs were the 1st Arcane casting class.
Finfreeze 03-04-07, 10:39 AM	I do find it amusing how practically every elf is born with weapon proficiencies regardless of where the elf comes from or its tragic backstory (I was trapped inside a crate for X years!). Now I don't like the favored class rules, but if I had to assign a favored class to the high elf, it would either be... Bard Battle Sorcerer/Sorcerer Wilder Ranger Duskblade Commoner
The Ubbergeek 03-04-07, 10:55 AM	Actually, I think Wizard is just about right; Elves, like Wizards, are wussies that for outlandish reasons manage to survive s**t that's thrown at them and often stay alive for centuries because of their magical nature. Of course, not everyone survives because things have to go right sometimes. There is also a distinct lack of testosterone that the two have in common. I don't think one can call the elves just because they are scrawny. Courage have nothing to do directly with the muscles, at times.... Because mages are not 'real men'? :mad: :rolleyes:
pres_man 03-04-07, 12:10 PM	"We live now upon an island amid many perils, and our hands are more often upon the bowstring than upon the harp." -Haldir of Lothlorien I would say Bard, in fact I do so in my games. I switched gnome to wizard. They are usually illusionist but it seems silly to be so restrictive especially for a PC race.
benihana 03-04-07, 12:40 PM	I do find it amusing how practically every elf is born with weapon proficiencies regardless of where the elf comes from or its tragic backstory (I was trapped inside a crate for X years!). But you could also argue that a human locked in a crate for X years wouldn't have learned that extra feat or those extra skills. The idea is that outside of rare and extreme circumstances, every human has enough time to learn that extra feat and every elf puts in his time in the militia.
Asadeseth 03-04-07, 12:41 PM	I do agree with Kursk, Sorc fits the Elf best. It plays up to their natural ties with magic, and gives them a sort of justification (to them selves at least) to look do at other races spell casters (a common theam). Rember the D&D movie line "Humans user magic, but we elves are magic", it sums it up rather nicely. Gnomes... gnomes should be wizards. None of the bard mularky.
Kursk 03-04-07, 12:43 PM	But you could also argue that a human locked in a crate for X years wouldn't have learned that extra feat or those extra skills. The idea is that outside of rare and extreme circumstances, every human has enough time to learn that extra feat and every elf puts in his time in the militia. The concept of a mandatory militia is a lawful one. I doubt Elves would have that being that they are chaotic.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-04-07, 04:07 PM	I don't think one can call the elves just because they are scrawny. Elves are wussies. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=692629) Because mages are not 'real men'? :mad: :rolleyes: No, Wizards are not real men. Sorcerers can be badass... providing they're of a manly race.
The Ubbergeek 03-04-07, 06:46 PM	Elves are wussies. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=692629) No, Wizards are not real men. Sorcerers can be badass... providing they're of a manly race. Ah yes.... Because the only real men are towering human or orc brutes, to quote some WoW noobs. :rolleyes: Tell that to a night elf warrior or blood elf paladin, to use WoW again. Really, to be more serious, I HATE the real-life 'normal' ideals of masculinity, who come down on guys like me (a plump but not really obese, pale and not really muscular nerd) as 'wusses' and not 'real men'. Can't guys be intelectuals, gentle, delicate.... etc and 'real'? No wonder even if I am not huge fans of elves (the stereotypical pride and snobiness is annoying), I prefer them over the dwarves - conservative, dour and macho midget thugs. The dwarf ideal sounds like BNP or FN ideas.... ugh...
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-04-07, 07:21 PM	I'm not a particular fan of Dwarves. The lack of a Strength bonus turns me off. Balors are awsome, however. Chaotic, Evil and brutal as hell (yes, I know they come from the Abyss; I will never forgive you if you correct me).
The_Shaman 03-04-07, 07:33 PM	Meh, I prefer mariliths, really. And dragons, of course - even though I lost track of how many there are now.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-04-07, 07:52 PM	Meh, I prefer mariliths, really. And dragons, of course - even though I lost track of how many there are now. My point is that masculinity doesn't come purely from muscle. Your immorality is a huge factor. For example, just four hours ago I made my 16-year-old brother cry by punching the gas while holding his hand fast in place with my right hand (my 'driving hand', if you will), all the while chanting "I'm serious, try something and I'll kill you". This was mainly to exert my control over the radio. Never, ever, try to control the radio while I'm driving! EDIT: I was lying. It was five hours ago, not four.
The_Shaman 03-04-07, 08:22 PM	Bwahahahaha... Immorality as a determinant of masculinity, that's a new one. Just imagine an imp as a symbol of unrepressed masculinity. "Yeah, baby! I may be smaller than an average chihuahua, but I'm 256083% a MAN!"
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-04-07, 09:46 PM	Bwahahahaha... Immorality as a determinant of masculinity, that's a new one. Just imagine an imp as a symbol of unrepressed masculinity. "Yeah, baby! I may be smaller than an average chihuahua, but I'm 256083% a MAN!" I think there are three factors: Morality, willingness to abide by codified rulesets (not just laws) and strength (well, all physical attributes). The Imp passes the first with flying colors. The other two, not so much (him having the Lawful subtype kind of kills it altogether).
The_Shaman 03-05-07, 08:59 AM	So, basically, your definition of RL masculinity a la "might makes right" mixes CE morality and brawn? I present to you... Prasia, the succubus powerlifter! (Drum roll) This reminds me to be careful when discussing morality with you. CoC, after all.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-05-07, 10:43 AM	So, basically, your definition of RL masculinity a la "might makes right" mixes CE morality and brawn? I present to you... Prasia, the succubus powerlifter! This is still a project in the making. I'm actually considering a new factor. I don't know what it is yet, but my research feels kind of... incomplete right now. As far as sex is concerned, females are not true males, obviously, but that doesn't fully disqualify them. We have lots and lots of kickass women (just force yourself to watch Dead or Alive and you'll see... *shivers at the quality of that movie*). This reminds me to be careful when discussing morality with you. CoC, after all. You can never forget that. You will go insane if you do.
hiryuu 03-05-07, 11:33 AM	Case and point: spelltouched feats (Unearthed Arcana). Through exposure to magical energies, you gain the ability to manifest your own for limited periods of time or under the right conditions. Which.... oh, look, costs a feat. Doesn't seem like completely natural development to me. However, magic doesn't and never will make sense of any sort in D&D, not until someone can reasonably explain why magic missile can't target a tree but can target a shambling mound just fine.
Fencerboy 03-05-07, 03:46 PM	Say it with me. Lamarckism bad. If somebody's family line pumps iron for years, is it a given that their children will be buff? Heavens, no. It might mean their kids have an easier time learning magic because they have perfected some teaching techniques that make it easier to pick up learning magic without distracting themselves from other pursuits... and.... wait a second.... oh yeah. Wizard. Favored class should be written as "favored multiclass," the class you can easily pick up one or two levels in. Elves have always been wizardy, devoted to the intellectual pursuit of magic as an art form, which, while art does require some talent, also requires a heck of a lot of mental ability. An artist with a lot of talent but no knowledge of color theory or visual weight or composition techniques will churn out meaningless garbage. Yes, but the PHB specifically says that sorcery is often hereditary, and magic often flows in the family. And your spearstabbing arguement is just... :rolleyes:
hiryuu 03-05-07, 04:18 PM	Yes, but the PHB specifically says that sorcery is often hereditary, and magic often flows in the family. And your spearstabbing arguement is just... :rolleyes: It should sound stupid. It was supposed to sound stupid, because the base argument is stupid. Using magic for several generations, thus the descendants can now do it without thinking, is just like saying that piloting airplanes for several generations will let your kids fly under their own power or that using spears for several generations will give the kids natural prowess with them. Sure, it runs in the family. If the family had a magical entity mixed in there, like, an outsider, or a dragon, or fey, or something. Elves are not supernatural beings by nature. They have no supernatural abilities. I can see sorcerers common in elves, being as how they live in the woods real close to fey, and I hear nymphs are the hotness, but it shouldn't be their favored class.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-05-07, 05:02 PM	Except that magic is not comparable to airplanes or spears.
ElberethSilverleaf 03-05-07, 11:04 PM	I thought that sorcerers had blood from dragons, outsiders, or other naturally magical beings. That explained why sorcery runs through all races. Wizardry makes the most sense for elves. Lamarckism drives me batty.
hiryuu 03-06-07, 12:16 AM	Except that magic is not comparable to airplanes or spears. You're right. It's more comparable to math or physical sciences. Do chemist parents produce chemist children? Maybe, but that's 'cuz the child hears a lot about chemistry growing up, he certainly won't know it instinctively.
sooperspook 03-06-07, 12:45 AM	Given the supposed tendency to dabble in everything as they wander through life, I would agree with Bard. Of if you prefer a non entertainer type class, someone who learns things for themselves rather than others, the Savant from Dragon mag or the new class from Dungeounscape (i forget its name), would both fit.
malisteen 03-06-07, 12:59 AM	Mechanically, they make good rangers (archery focused, of course), and not bad rogues. They're not terribly good at, well, anything else really- Con penalty hurts too much, and they have no innate boosts relevant to spellcasting classes. Well, other then the longbow proficiency, I suppose. So, based on mechanics, I'd say ranger (which is also, perhaps not surprisingly, a good thematic fit). However, without any other bonuses to spellcasting, the only way to get in their cultural affinity for magic is with a favored class. So, if you stick to that, anything arcane would do, preferably something that somebody would actually want to multiclass as, like sorcerer or wizard (if you're a bard you're practically a multiclass already, no sense further diluting things unless there's a wacky PrC involved). My vote's still ranger.
Arcane Guyver 03-06-07, 01:00 AM	I use Sorc in my campaign. Goes towards the Chaotic, rather than Lawful for Wizards and it plays to their "natural tendancies" towards magic as well as the fact in my game that Sorcs were the 1st Arcane casting class. That's my take on it. Though, there is a good argument for the Factotum class...
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-06-07, 09:25 AM	You're right. It's more comparable to math or physical sciences. Do chemist parents produce chemist children? Maybe, but that's 'cuz the child hears a lot about chemistry growing up, he certainly won't know it instinctively. No, magic is a substance. If humans migrated into the ocean, our children would eventually become adapted to sea life. Not only that, but the percentage of salt water and other fluids in their body will change (heighten?).
Kresalak 03-06-07, 09:37 AM	Actually, I think Wizard is just about right; Elves, like Wizards, are wussies that for outlandish reasons manage to survive s**t that's thrown at them and often stay alive for centuries because of their magical nature. Of course, not everyone survives because things have to go right sometimes. There is also a distinct lack of testosterone that the two have in common. This is false. Wizards have lazer eye-beams. There are few things more awesome than that.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-06-07, 11:57 AM	This is false. Wizards have lazer eye-beams. There are few things more awesome than that. Wizards also wear glasses and walk around carrying books. The two cancel each other out, IMO. They are also frail and tend towards Law. What kills the whole deal is that laser eye beams don't equal testosterone. Sorcerers have a high Charisma score. That means they're cool. Charisma also makes them get more booty. They also lean towards Chaos, which lends the rebel image more strength. All in all, even if Wizards are more powerful, they're just not cool.
Wayfarer 03-06-07, 03:13 PM	I've tried to solve the problem with Favored Classes by assigning more than one and giving characters a choice between those. However, I do believe that a majority of my Elves, if not all of them, use Bard as one of those favored classes.
Dracomortis 03-06-07, 03:59 PM	Hmm, good arguments are being made all around. It sounds like we're caught up between bard, sorcerer, and wizard. Right now I'm leaning bteween sorcerer and wizard, only because half-elves fill the bard role better.
Daiko12 03-07-07, 02:00 PM	How about Druid? Elves favor things of natural and simple beauty...elves live in woodland clans...their well-hidden blend into the trees, doing little harm to the forest. A druid revers nature above all...Elves...have an affinity for natural lands and often become Druids. Also, I don't think Elves should favor Fighter as a class. +2 Dexterity, -2 Constituion: Elves are graceful but frail. An elf's grace makes her naturally better at stealth and archery. I do agree with ranger, though.