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shogunboy
03-27-07, 09:11 PM I need help on good races that goes classs like barb, warmage, cleric, and maybe something else. If you have any good race to class combo, please tell me your secert, and if you post, thank you for the time to help a less than a year newbie.
Joesph_kurr
03-27-07, 09:46 PM hmmmmm how about a draconic drow? or a lolth-touched drow?

or if evil is not your thing maybe go for half-dragon
TheCarrionCrawler
03-27-07, 10:25 PM hmmmmm how about a draconic drow? or a lolth-touched drow?

or if evil is not your thing maybe go for half-dragon

I agree Joesph_kurr. If it's a free LA, half-dragon would be my first choice. If I can think of any others, I'll let you know.

Are you allowed to combine templates that you meet requirments for? Like feral/mineral? Stuff like that?
shogunboy
03-27-07, 10:31 PM Yes, as long as it isn't like as strong as an avarter, sure.
MikeN
03-27-07, 11:11 PM I like the "classic" hunter of evil build with a Varoot Nerra (Fiend Folio). Reflective spell resistance isn't that big a deal until you take a couple levels of Stalker of Kharash (BoED) and then Foe Hunter (Masters of the Wild). Any spell/SLA targeting you from an evil enemy has a good chance of bouncing back on the caster.
_______

Of course, the answer to your question depends mainly upon how far you're allowed to go and what source materials you're allowed to use. For instance, lots of stuff pales before things like pun-pun, the hulking hurler, the cheater of mystra, etc.

Pick something that looks like fun and go with it.
Kadrimdorian_Mage
03-27-07, 11:49 PM How about a human?
sparkster4242
03-28-07, 02:24 AM at the top of my list of all-time favorite templates is Shadow Creature, originally from Manual of the Planes. 1.5x base speed, constant concealment, cold resistance, damage reduction, and a pile of even more abilities you can choose from, gained by level. and only a +2 LA!

if you can go alittle farther afield, the Runechild template from Arcana Unearthed is also nifty - another pile of abilites gained by level, and only +1 LA.

spellcasters with these templates would normally be crippled, due to loss of levels of spellcasting... but with free LA, you are _golden_.
rasziel
03-28-07, 04:39 AM You could use Voidminded template from MM3 - you gain lots of goodies, like immunity to mind affecting effects, ability damage, ability drain, energy drain, immunity to acid, SR, you gain 3 feats for free, one attack that is similiar to breath of half-dragon, but makes more damage in the long run (1k6 acid damage per HD) bonus to natural AC, gain one natural attack, DR/magic and bonuses to physical ability scores. And all of that for a mere LA+3 :cool:
Joesph_kurr
03-28-07, 08:29 AM You could use Voidminded template from MM3 - you gain lots of goodies, like immunity to mind affecting effects, ability damage, ability drain, energy drain, immunity to acid, SR, you gain 3 feats for free, one attack that is similiar to breath of half-dragon, but makes more damage in the long run (1k6 acid damage per HD) bonus to natural AC, gain one natural attack, DR/magic and bonuses to physical ability scores. And all of that for a mere LA+3 :cool:

that's nice but don't you have to be the thrall of like 4 mind flayers?
rasziel
03-28-07, 09:04 AM Well, it is said, that yours brain was partially removed by 3 mind flyers, and that you are their slave, but you can be (for example) voidminded whose illithid masters was slayed by party of adventurers - that's why character wanders with them. This party can be other characters in group, so ther is no problem :P
Krusk
03-28-07, 09:29 AM By free LA of 3 and level 12, you mean the game starts at level 15?

Anyway, id say go for a feral half ogre barbarian. PLay him unarmed into the frostrager from frostburn. improved and superior unarmed strike. Very cool.
MikeN
03-28-07, 09:50 AM By free LA of 3 and level 12, you mean the game starts at level 15?

Anyway, id say go for a feral half ogre barbarian. PLay him unarmed into the frostrager from frostburn. improved and superior unarmed strike. Very cool.

Man, ever since Savage Species came out people always talk about this combo. It's illegal by the rules, as half-ogre is type: giant and feral template cannot be applied to such:rant:

Anyway, probably the most broken template I ever saw was White Dragonspawn from Dragonlance. +1LA gives you +natural armor, cast as level 1 sorcerer (stacks with sorc levels), breath weapon, and some other benefits.

Mineral warrior is good if you're going for the melee bruiser type.

Saint (BoED) is extremely good.

Divine Minion is quite nice, mostly because the way the template is worded you can qualify for certain things faster than you otherwise should be able to.
Aminvelos
03-28-07, 10:16 AM Warmage-Gray Elf Lich +4
Barbarian Ogre with Blooded one template +3
total ability modifers str +12 dex -2 con +8 INT -6
Charisma -4

Cleric - Drow female with shadow walker template +3
dragonseth
03-28-07, 11:55 AM Feral, Mineral Warrior, Half-Ogre (Savage Species and Underdark for these)

Edit: Sorry, didn't read the thread as a whole.
Warforged Goblin
03-28-07, 01:16 PM Half-Fey Anything. Why? Four words:

Charm. Person. At. Will.
Joesph_kurr
03-28-07, 03:35 PM Well, it is said, that yours brain was partially removed by 3 mind flyers, and that you are their slave, but you can be (for example) voidminded whose illithid masters was slayed by party of adventurers - that's why character wanders with them. This party can be other characters in group, so ther is no problem :P

good point
Krusk
03-28-07, 03:43 PM Man, ever since Savage Species came out people always talk about this combo. It's illegal by the rules, as half-ogre is type: giant and feral template cannot be applied to such:rant:

.

Man, i was thinking i just came up with something original. Sucks.

I was just thinking off the top of my head of something that would be cool.

:rant targeted at a specific person could almost be considered flame. watch out for those.

AS this is apparently illegal,

I would say half ogre half minotaur and stay with barbarian frostrager. Same thing essentially but now you gain horns.
Finfreeze
03-28-07, 04:26 PM Half-Minotaur Feral Gnoll, but use the modern gnoll, since it gets free hit dice that don't add BAB, saves, skill points, or feats and don't count against your ECL.

GNOLL
Size: Medium. Gnolls have no special bonuses or penalties due to their size.
Ability Modifiers: +4 Strength, +2 Constitution, –2 Intelligence, –2 Charisma.
Extra Starting Hit Dice: A gnoll gains 2 Hit Dice (2d8 hit points). The gnoll’s Constitution modifier applies to each Hit Die when determining hit points.
Base Speed: 30 feet.
Natural Armor Bonus: Gnolls have tough hides and gain a +1 natural armor bonus to Defense.
Attack Bonus: Gnolls gain a +1 species bonus on attack rolls.
Darkvision: Gnolls can see in the dark up to 60 feet. Darkvision is black and white only, but it is otherwise like normal sight, and gnolls can function with no light at all.
Allegiance: Gnolls must begin play with an allegiance to chaos, evil, or both.
Bonus Feat: Gnolls gain the bonus feat Simple Weapons Proficiency.
Free Language Skills: Read/Write Gnoll (or local language), Speak Gnoll (or local language).
Other Languages: Common, Goblin, Orc.
Level Adjustment: +1.
ZiggZagg
03-28-07, 04:36 PM Where did that gnoll come from?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
shogunboy 03-27-07, 09:11 PM	I need help on good races that goes classs like barb, warmage, cleric, and maybe something else. If you have any good race to class combo, please tell me your secert, and if you post, thank you for the time to help a less than a year newbie.
Joesph_kurr 03-27-07, 09:46 PM	hmmmmm how about a draconic drow? or a lolth-touched drow? or if evil is not your thing maybe go for half-dragon
TheCarrionCrawler 03-27-07, 10:25 PM	hmmmmm how about a draconic drow? or a lolth-touched drow? or if evil is not your thing maybe go for half-dragon I agree Joesph_kurr. If it's a free LA, half-dragon would be my first choice. If I can think of any others, I'll let you know. Are you allowed to combine templates that you meet requirments for? Like feral/mineral? Stuff like that?
shogunboy 03-27-07, 10:31 PM	Yes, as long as it isn't like as strong as an avarter, sure.
MikeN 03-27-07, 11:11 PM	I like the "classic" hunter of evil build with a Varoot Nerra (Fiend Folio). Reflective spell resistance isn't that big a deal until you take a couple levels of Stalker of Kharash (BoED) and then Foe Hunter (Masters of the Wild). Any spell/SLA targeting you from an evil enemy has a good chance of bouncing back on the caster. _______ Of course, the answer to your question depends mainly upon how far you're allowed to go and what source materials you're allowed to use. For instance, lots of stuff pales before things like pun-pun, the hulking hurler, the cheater of mystra, etc. Pick something that looks like fun and go with it.
Kadrimdorian_Mage 03-27-07, 11:49 PM	How about a human?
sparkster4242 03-28-07, 02:24 AM	at the top of my list of all-time favorite templates is Shadow Creature, originally from Manual of the Planes. 1.5x base speed, constant concealment, cold resistance, damage reduction, and a pile of even more abilities you can choose from, gained by level. and only a +2 LA! if you can go alittle farther afield, the Runechild template from Arcana Unearthed is also nifty - another pile of abilites gained by level, and only +1 LA. spellcasters with these templates would normally be crippled, due to loss of levels of spellcasting... but with free LA, you are _golden_.
rasziel 03-28-07, 04:39 AM	You could use Voidminded template from MM3 - you gain lots of goodies, like immunity to mind affecting effects, ability damage, ability drain, energy drain, immunity to acid, SR, you gain 3 feats for free, one attack that is similiar to breath of half-dragon, but makes more damage in the long run (1k6 acid damage per HD) bonus to natural AC, gain one natural attack, DR/magic and bonuses to physical ability scores. And all of that for a mere LA+3 :cool:
Joesph_kurr 03-28-07, 08:29 AM	You could use Voidminded template from MM3 - you gain lots of goodies, like immunity to mind affecting effects, ability damage, ability drain, energy drain, immunity to acid, SR, you gain 3 feats for free, one attack that is similiar to breath of half-dragon, but makes more damage in the long run (1k6 acid damage per HD) bonus to natural AC, gain one natural attack, DR/magic and bonuses to physical ability scores. And all of that for a mere LA+3 :cool: that's nice but don't you have to be the thrall of like 4 mind flayers?
rasziel 03-28-07, 09:04 AM	Well, it is said, that yours brain was partially removed by 3 mind flyers, and that you are their slave, but you can be (for example) voidminded whose illithid masters was slayed by party of adventurers - that's why character wanders with them. This party can be other characters in group, so ther is no problem :P
Krusk 03-28-07, 09:29 AM	By free LA of 3 and level 12, you mean the game starts at level 15? Anyway, id say go for a feral half ogre barbarian. PLay him unarmed into the frostrager from frostburn. improved and superior unarmed strike. Very cool.
MikeN 03-28-07, 09:50 AM	By free LA of 3 and level 12, you mean the game starts at level 15? Anyway, id say go for a feral half ogre barbarian. PLay him unarmed into the frostrager from frostburn. improved and superior unarmed strike. Very cool. Man, ever since Savage Species came out people always talk about this combo. It's illegal by the rules, as half-ogre is type: giant and feral template cannot be applied to such:rant: Anyway, probably the most broken template I ever saw was White Dragonspawn from Dragonlance. +1LA gives you +natural armor, cast as level 1 sorcerer (stacks with sorc levels), breath weapon, and some other benefits. Mineral warrior is good if you're going for the melee bruiser type. Saint (BoED) is extremely good. Divine Minion is quite nice, mostly because the way the template is worded you can qualify for certain things faster than you otherwise should be able to.
Aminvelos 03-28-07, 10:16 AM	Warmage-Gray Elf Lich +4 Barbarian Ogre with Blooded one template +3 total ability modifers str +12 dex -2 con +8 INT -6 Charisma -4 Cleric - Drow female with shadow walker template +3
dragonseth 03-28-07, 11:55 AM	Feral, Mineral Warrior, Half-Ogre (Savage Species and Underdark for these) Edit: Sorry, didn't read the thread as a whole.
Warforged Goblin 03-28-07, 01:16 PM	Half-Fey Anything. Why? Four words: Charm. Person. At. Will.
Joesph_kurr 03-28-07, 03:35 PM	Well, it is said, that yours brain was partially removed by 3 mind flyers, and that you are their slave, but you can be (for example) voidminded whose illithid masters was slayed by party of adventurers - that's why character wanders with them. This party can be other characters in group, so ther is no problem :P good point
Krusk 03-28-07, 03:43 PM	Man, ever since Savage Species came out people always talk about this combo. It's illegal by the rules, as half-ogre is type: giant and feral template cannot be applied to such:rant: . Man, i was thinking i just came up with something original. Sucks. I was just thinking off the top of my head of something that would be cool. :rant targeted at a specific person could almost be considered flame. watch out for those. AS this is apparently illegal, I would say half ogre half minotaur and stay with barbarian frostrager. Same thing essentially but now you gain horns.
Finfreeze 03-28-07, 04:26 PM	Half-Minotaur Feral Gnoll, but use the modern gnoll, since it gets free hit dice that don't add BAB, saves, skill points, or feats and don't count against your ECL. GNOLL Size: Medium. Gnolls have no special bonuses or penalties due to their size. Ability Modifiers: +4 Strength, +2 Constitution, –2 Intelligence, –2 Charisma. Extra Starting Hit Dice: A gnoll gains 2 Hit Dice (2d8 hit points). The gnoll’s Constitution modifier applies to each Hit Die when determining hit points. Base Speed: 30 feet. Natural Armor Bonus: Gnolls have tough hides and gain a +1 natural armor bonus to Defense. Attack Bonus: Gnolls gain a +1 species bonus on attack rolls. Darkvision: Gnolls can see in the dark up to 60 feet. Darkvision is black and white only, but it is otherwise like normal sight, and gnolls can function with no light at all. Allegiance: Gnolls must begin play with an allegiance to chaos, evil, or both. Bonus Feat: Gnolls gain the bonus feat Simple Weapons Proficiency. Free Language Skills: Read/Write Gnoll (or local language), Speak Gnoll (or local language). Other Languages: Common, Goblin, Orc. Level Adjustment: +1.
ZiggZagg 03-28-07, 04:36 PM	Where did that gnoll come from?