Frostburn - Midgard Dwarf [Archive] - Wizards Community

Frostburn - Midgard Dwarf [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Silenced_Faith
08-13-07, 12:14 AM When I was flipping through the last bits of the creatures in Frostburn (Just got it recently) and I was wondering how one interpret this particular ability:

Frostburn, page 125

Master Smith (Ex): Midgard dwarves gain Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Wondrous Item and Forge Ring as bonus feats. They are considered to possess the prerequisites necessary to craft any magic item of those types, even if they do not otherwise meet the requirements or have the ability to cast the necessary spells.

Does that mean they could create any magic items as long as they fall within those categories (Rings, Weapons, etc), ignoring requirements such as Race and Alignment?

Does that include Epic Items?
Zousha_Omenohu
08-13-07, 12:21 AM If I'm correct, they're supposed to represent the dwarves of Norse mythology, who made all sorts of amazing things for the gods, from a small figurine of a boat that unfolded into a massive ship (Skidbladnir, I believe it was called), to a living boar made of gold (Gulinbursti) to Thor's famous hammer (Mjollnir). I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to say that they could ignore such strictures, since they recieved commisions from the gods themselves.
Manyfist
08-13-07, 12:38 AM Original Dwarves of Scandinavian mythology were the finest crafters in the entire multi-verse. They were the ones who crafted Mjolnir for Thor and the magic chain Gleipnir that bound the wolf, Fenris.
Zousha_Omenohu
08-13-07, 12:57 AM My point exactly.
Silenced_Faith
08-13-07, 04:54 AM So in game terms, the dwarves could create anything belong to that category, even epic items?
Forgember
08-13-07, 05:01 AM If I'm correct, they're supposed to represent the dwarves of Norse mythology, who made all sorts of amazing things for the gods, from a small figurine of a boat that unfolded into a massive ship (Skidbladnir, I believe it was called), to a living boar made of gold (Gulinbursti) to Thor's famous hammer (Mjollnir). I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to say that they could ignore such strictures, since they recieved commisions from the gods themselves.

You seem to be a knowledgable person, would you by any chance know the pronounciation of Mjollnir?
Corvus_Obscurus
08-13-07, 07:02 AM Actually it is written Mjøllnir or Mjöllnir, the 'ø' ist pronounced like a german ö [the o in worse comes close], the "nir" is pronounced like the "ner" in "Miner".

Well that should come close to the icelandic pronounciation, but to be sure you'd better google a bit
DwarfPcfan
08-13-07, 08:22 AM The ability is quite clear that they ignore all special requirements such as spells, alignement, etc.

In other words, the only thing stopping them from crafting epic items is how much experience they have before they start crafting.

Remember that the exp cost to craft an item is not a requirememt it's a cost. As in he won't need the spells, or the caster level, or whatever else required to have the capability to create the item but he'll still need to buy the materials, pay the exp cost etc.

In other words, Dm's don't have to worry, you're standard 8 hit dice, midgar dwarf won't be able to craft a +8 thundering, holy power, axiomatic, triple throw, throwing returning weapon.

But now, Durin, Andvari or any of the big dwarven names of norse mythology. Watch out cause he's packing a nuclear arsenal and he's p*****:eek: !

"shudders" Midgar dwarf artificer" shudders"
Manyfist
08-13-07, 08:39 AM "shudders" Midgar dwarf artificer" shudders"
Well... its not that scary. Since he can only ignore rings, weapons/shields and wondrous items. The only truly scary part would be the craft points.
ragoftag
08-13-07, 11:10 AM You seem to be a knowledgeable person, would you by any chance know the pronunciation of Mjollnir?
I had the experience of listening to a pair of Scandinavian history PHDs argue over pronunciation of some ancient Norse words. I could not tell the difference, but was totaled when they lapsed into the language and started telling jokes.:confused:
Forgember
08-13-07, 04:06 PM Actually it is written Mjøllnir or Mjöllnir, the 'ø' ist pronounced like a german ö [the o in worse comes close], the "nir" is pronounced like the "ner" in "Miner".

Well that should come close to the icelandic pronounciation, but to be sure you'd better google a bit

Hmmm so is the M or J silent? Maybe try to spell it out phonetically?
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
08-13-07, 05:35 PM So in game terms, the dwarves could create anything belong to that category, even epic items?

Epic items do not fall into that category.
Manyfist
08-13-07, 09:49 PM mjolnər is apparently how you pronounce it.
zuul88
08-14-07, 03:07 AM I have always pronounced it "mul-iner." Like mule not mull. My friend/tattoo artist is Astru(while I lean more to Wotanist) and thats how he also says it. Just my :twocents:

Respect
Nathan
Forgember
08-14-07, 02:35 PM I have always pronounced it "mul-iner." Like mule not mull. My friend/tattoo artist is Astru(while I lean more to Wotanist) and thats how he also says it. Just my :twocents:

Respect
Nathan

Thanks Zuul, good enough for me.
Silenced_Faith
08-14-07, 06:47 PM So if the dwarves entered Epic Levels, could it ignore the requirements for Epic Items?

I can't pronoune Mjollnir though...

The idea of a Midgard Dwarf Artificer is fun though. :D
SolenVlos
08-14-07, 07:04 PM I once saw a interview of Kevin Smith and Stan Lee, and Stan pronounces Mjollnir just like Corvus_Obscurus explained.

but just the "ll" are silent, the M is pronounced.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Silenced_Faith 08-13-07, 12:14 AM	When I was flipping through the last bits of the creatures in Frostburn (Just got it recently) and I was wondering how one interpret this particular ability: Frostburn, page 125 Master Smith (Ex): Midgard dwarves gain Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Wondrous Item and Forge Ring as bonus feats. They are considered to possess the prerequisites necessary to craft any magic item of those types, even if they do not otherwise meet the requirements or have the ability to cast the necessary spells. Does that mean they could create any magic items as long as they fall within those categories (Rings, Weapons, etc), ignoring requirements such as Race and Alignment? Does that include Epic Items?
Zousha_Omenohu 08-13-07, 12:21 AM	If I'm correct, they're supposed to represent the dwarves of Norse mythology, who made all sorts of amazing things for the gods, from a small figurine of a boat that unfolded into a massive ship (Skidbladnir, I believe it was called), to a living boar made of gold (Gulinbursti) to Thor's famous hammer (Mjollnir). I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to say that they could ignore such strictures, since they recieved commisions from the gods themselves.
Manyfist 08-13-07, 12:38 AM	Original Dwarves of Scandinavian mythology were the finest crafters in the entire multi-verse. They were the ones who crafted Mjolnir for Thor and the magic chain Gleipnir that bound the wolf, Fenris.
Zousha_Omenohu 08-13-07, 12:57 AM	My point exactly.
Silenced_Faith 08-13-07, 04:54 AM	So in game terms, the dwarves could create anything belong to that category, even epic items?
Forgember 08-13-07, 05:01 AM	If I'm correct, they're supposed to represent the dwarves of Norse mythology, who made all sorts of amazing things for the gods, from a small figurine of a boat that unfolded into a massive ship (Skidbladnir, I believe it was called), to a living boar made of gold (Gulinbursti) to Thor's famous hammer (Mjollnir). I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to say that they could ignore such strictures, since they recieved commisions from the gods themselves. You seem to be a knowledgable person, would you by any chance know the pronounciation of Mjollnir?
Corvus_Obscurus 08-13-07, 07:02 AM	Actually it is written Mjøllnir or Mjöllnir, the 'ø' ist pronounced like a german ö [the o in worse comes close], the "nir" is pronounced like the "ner" in "Miner". Well that should come close to the icelandic pronounciation, but to be sure you'd better google a bit
DwarfPcfan 08-13-07, 08:22 AM	The ability is quite clear that they ignore all special requirements such as spells, alignement, etc. In other words, the only thing stopping them from crafting epic items is how much experience they have before they start crafting. Remember that the exp cost to craft an item is not a requirememt it's a cost. As in he won't need the spells, or the caster level, or whatever else required to have the capability to create the item but he'll still need to buy the materials, pay the exp cost etc. In other words, Dm's don't have to worry, you're standard 8 hit dice, midgar dwarf won't be able to craft a +8 thundering, holy power, axiomatic, triple throw, throwing returning weapon. But now, Durin, Andvari or any of the big dwarven names of norse mythology. Watch out cause he's packing a nuclear arsenal and he's p*****:eek: ! "shudders" Midgar dwarf artificer" shudders"
Manyfist 08-13-07, 08:39 AM	"shudders" Midgar dwarf artificer" shudders" Well... its not that scary. Since he can only ignore rings, weapons/shields and wondrous items. The only truly scary part would be the craft points.
ragoftag 08-13-07, 11:10 AM	You seem to be a knowledgeable person, would you by any chance know the pronunciation of Mjollnir? I had the experience of listening to a pair of Scandinavian history PHDs argue over pronunciation of some ancient Norse words. I could not tell the difference, but was totaled when they lapsed into the language and started telling jokes.:confused:
Forgember 08-13-07, 04:06 PM	Actually it is written Mjøllnir or Mjöllnir, the 'ø' ist pronounced like a german ö [the o in worse comes close], the "nir" is pronounced like the "ner" in "Miner". Well that should come close to the icelandic pronounciation, but to be sure you'd better google a bit Hmmm so is the M or J silent? Maybe try to spell it out phonetically?
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 08-13-07, 05:35 PM	So in game terms, the dwarves could create anything belong to that category, even epic items? Epic items do not fall into that category.
Manyfist 08-13-07, 09:49 PM	mjolnər is apparently how you pronounce it.
zuul88 08-14-07, 03:07 AM	I have always pronounced it "mul-iner." Like mule not mull. My friend/tattoo artist is Astru(while I lean more to Wotanist) and thats how he also says it. Just my :twocents: Respect Nathan
Forgember 08-14-07, 02:35 PM	I have always pronounced it "mul-iner." Like mule not mull. My friend/tattoo artist is Astru(while I lean more to Wotanist) and thats how he also says it. Just my :twocents: Respect Nathan Thanks Zuul, good enough for me.
Silenced_Faith 08-14-07, 06:47 PM	So if the dwarves entered Epic Levels, could it ignore the requirements for Epic Items? I can't pronoune Mjollnir though... The idea of a Midgard Dwarf Artificer is fun though. :D
SolenVlos 08-14-07, 07:04 PM	I once saw a interview of Kevin Smith and Stan Lee, and Stan pronounces Mjollnir just like Corvus_Obscurus explained. but just the "ll" are silent, the M is pronounced.