Half Ogre question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Half Ogre question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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sigea
08-13-07, 12:05 AM Hi, hopefully this is a quick question.

I am building a feral half ogre and I was reading a thread that said something about that because a half ogre is a giant type and large, it get's bonuses to its strenght because it is large. Is this true? Or is this incorporated into the adjustements in Savage Species (+4 STR, -2 DEX, +2 CON, etc) under the half ogre entry?

Am I missing something here or am I just going insane? or both :)
Lawlicron
08-13-07, 09:20 AM I don't think it would matter at the point where your DM oked you to play a 3.0 Half-Ogre with the feral template. Its already accounted for though. Have fun breaking the game.
Majick
08-13-07, 11:27 AM yeah... as Lawlicron said man, the Half-Ogre has been re-stated in Races of Destiny (a 3.5 book), it's +2 LA now, and the Feral Template is... for lack of better wording... not for player use...

It make you way to powerful the a meager +1 LA

I wouldn't recommend it, for fairness sake
Hellsbells
08-13-07, 11:32 AM I wouldn't recomend a feral half-ogre either. I'd recomend a feral, full blooded ogre of legend. If you're gonna break the game you might as well go all the way, right?
bloodtalon
08-13-07, 02:55 PM in SAVAGE SPECIES it says the feral template can only be added to a humaniod or monstrous humaniod. in the same book half orgers are considered giants. i do not have the other book it is in but by the SAVAGE SPECIES a half ogre can not be a feral and neither could a ogre.
sigea
08-13-07, 08:20 PM Thanks guys, all useful info.

bloodtalon, your right, I guess I just need to make it a Half-Ogre and Half-Minotaur template from Dragon mag which allows you to retain your "monstrous humanoid".

Minotaurs are monstrous humanoid right?
ToastedAmphibian
08-13-07, 09:04 PM Thanks guys, all useful info.

bloodtalon, your right, I guess I just need to make it a Half-Ogre and Half-Minotaur template from Dragon mag which allows you to retain your "monstrous humanoid".

Minotaurs are monstrous humanoid right?

Now your just being ugly!

Yes Minotaurs are monstrous humanoids.

But seriously, be a half ogre gargoyle (Monstrous humanoid) Then you can fly, never need to eat/breath, but can chew on people just because you enjoy makeing them scream....
zeratulcraft
08-13-07, 09:22 PM Since when is Gargoyle a template?
ToastedAmphibian
08-13-07, 09:55 PM Since when is Gargoyle a template?

Since never?
Since when is Minotaur a template?
I was suggesting aplying the half-ogre template to a Gargoyle instead of the suggested Minotaur.
Lord Otaku
08-14-07, 08:36 AM Thanks guys, all useful info.

bloodtalon, your right, I guess I just need to make it a Half-Ogre and Half-Minotaur template from Dragon mag which allows you to retain your "monstrous humanoid".

Minotaurs are monstrous humanoid right?

Yup. and just remember, if you are already Large before applying the Half-Ogre Template, than it's LA is 0.

Have fun! :evillaugh :cheer:
speed6620
08-14-07, 03:58 PM If I were you I would look at the Races of Destiny for the Half-Ogre race, it has +6 strength now instead of +4. The feral template to me isn't broken the negative 4 to intelligence and the role-playing aspect is hard to pull off and should hinder the PC. If you do role play you will have to use a character who is seen as everyone as a wild animal and has feral claws and features, not to mention has low intelligence and therefore cannot speak too many languages. The upside is the massive melee monster it is in adventuring. Also the feral template is very hard to pull off for lawful characters as well, but not impossible. WOTC accounts for role-playing in many of its creations such as the feral class. So I do not see it as broken but I am a player who tries to role-play as well. Regardless it is a fun template to play with, I had a feral ogre that had 4 intelligence and 2 charisma, therefore could only speak giant and was horrible in many social settings lol, a very fun character. He also had flaws and abyssal heritor feats to add to that, so he wasn't a socialite to say the least.
And to answer your question the modifiers for being large are already worked into the race abilities.
speed6620
08-14-07, 04:01 PM Also I understand that an ogre cannot be feral due to the rules and using the character as an example. The DM felt that a ogre could be feral under certain circumstances (house rule).
vegetalss4
08-14-07, 04:11 PM Since when is Minotaur a template?

Since never.
But the half-Minotaur is.
DrRufio
08-14-07, 04:25 PM I really hope this thing is an NPC.
sigea
08-14-07, 07:22 PM Nope, not an NPC :D

It is just a one off with my brothers who I haven't seen in six months and I am in their general area for work. This character will just be a blood thursty (in a CN sort of way) hulk who hunts for food and attacks whatever is in front of him when let off his chain. I probably should play a barbarian but I like the greathammer from the greyhorn minotaur and I also like the Roll with it feat.

Should be a good laugh.

Thanks for all your help.
ToastedAmphibian
08-14-07, 11:41 PM Since never.
But the half-Minotaur is.

Um, I was being sarcastic. People where talking about Minotaurs, and i said gargoyle, and someone said, "Since when is that a template!" and i responded with "Since when is Minotaur a template?" Implying that the real question was actually, "Why do you think i was talking about templates, what the hell are you talking about"

That being said, tell me more about this half-Minotaur template....... (Not sarcastic, this time, just honestly curious)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
sigea 08-13-07, 12:05 AM	Hi, hopefully this is a quick question. I am building a feral half ogre and I was reading a thread that said something about that because a half ogre is a giant type and large, it get's bonuses to its strenght because it is large. Is this true? Or is this incorporated into the adjustements in Savage Species (+4 STR, -2 DEX, +2 CON, etc) under the half ogre entry? Am I missing something here or am I just going insane? or both :)
Lawlicron 08-13-07, 09:20 AM	I don't think it would matter at the point where your DM oked you to play a 3.0 Half-Ogre with the feral template. Its already accounted for though. Have fun breaking the game.
Majick 08-13-07, 11:27 AM	yeah... as Lawlicron said man, the Half-Ogre has been re-stated in Races of Destiny (a 3.5 book), it's +2 LA now, and the Feral Template is... for lack of better wording... not for player use... It make you way to powerful the a meager +1 LA I wouldn't recommend it, for fairness sake
Hellsbells 08-13-07, 11:32 AM	I wouldn't recomend a feral half-ogre either. I'd recomend a feral, full blooded ogre of legend. If you're gonna break the game you might as well go all the way, right?
bloodtalon 08-13-07, 02:55 PM	in SAVAGE SPECIES it says the feral template can only be added to a humaniod or monstrous humaniod. in the same book half orgers are considered giants. i do not have the other book it is in but by the SAVAGE SPECIES a half ogre can not be a feral and neither could a ogre.
sigea 08-13-07, 08:20 PM	Thanks guys, all useful info. bloodtalon, your right, I guess I just need to make it a Half-Ogre and Half-Minotaur template from Dragon mag which allows you to retain your "monstrous humanoid". Minotaurs are monstrous humanoid right?
ToastedAmphibian 08-13-07, 09:04 PM	Thanks guys, all useful info. bloodtalon, your right, I guess I just need to make it a Half-Ogre and Half-Minotaur template from Dragon mag which allows you to retain your "monstrous humanoid". Minotaurs are monstrous humanoid right? Now your just being ugly! Yes Minotaurs are monstrous humanoids. But seriously, be a half ogre gargoyle (Monstrous humanoid) Then you can fly, never need to eat/breath, but can chew on people just because you enjoy makeing them scream....
zeratulcraft 08-13-07, 09:22 PM	Since when is Gargoyle a template?
ToastedAmphibian 08-13-07, 09:55 PM	Since when is Gargoyle a template? Since never? Since when is Minotaur a template? I was suggesting aplying the half-ogre template to a Gargoyle instead of the suggested Minotaur.
Lord Otaku 08-14-07, 08:36 AM	Thanks guys, all useful info. bloodtalon, your right, I guess I just need to make it a Half-Ogre and Half-Minotaur template from Dragon mag which allows you to retain your "monstrous humanoid". Minotaurs are monstrous humanoid right? Yup. and just remember, if you are already Large before applying the Half-Ogre Template, than it's LA is 0. Have fun! :evillaugh :cheer:
speed6620 08-14-07, 03:58 PM	If I were you I would look at the Races of Destiny for the Half-Ogre race, it has +6 strength now instead of +4. The feral template to me isn't broken the negative 4 to intelligence and the role-playing aspect is hard to pull off and should hinder the PC. If you do role play you will have to use a character who is seen as everyone as a wild animal and has feral claws and features, not to mention has low intelligence and therefore cannot speak too many languages. The upside is the massive melee monster it is in adventuring. Also the feral template is very hard to pull off for lawful characters as well, but not impossible. WOTC accounts for role-playing in many of its creations such as the feral class. So I do not see it as broken but I am a player who tries to role-play as well. Regardless it is a fun template to play with, I had a feral ogre that had 4 intelligence and 2 charisma, therefore could only speak giant and was horrible in many social settings lol, a very fun character. He also had flaws and abyssal heritor feats to add to that, so he wasn't a socialite to say the least. And to answer your question the modifiers for being large are already worked into the race abilities.
speed6620 08-14-07, 04:01 PM	Also I understand that an ogre cannot be feral due to the rules and using the character as an example. The DM felt that a ogre could be feral under certain circumstances (house rule).
vegetalss4 08-14-07, 04:11 PM	Since when is Minotaur a template? Since never. But the half-Minotaur is.
DrRufio 08-14-07, 04:25 PM	I really hope this thing is an NPC.
sigea 08-14-07, 07:22 PM	Nope, not an NPC :D It is just a one off with my brothers who I haven't seen in six months and I am in their general area for work. This character will just be a blood thursty (in a CN sort of way) hulk who hunts for food and attacks whatever is in front of him when let off his chain. I probably should play a barbarian but I like the greathammer from the greyhorn minotaur and I also like the Roll with it feat. Should be a good laugh. Thanks for all your help.
ToastedAmphibian 08-14-07, 11:41 PM	Since never. But the half-Minotaur is. Um, I was being sarcastic. People where talking about Minotaurs, and i said gargoyle, and someone said, "Since when is that a template!" and i responded with "Since when is Minotaur a template?" Implying that the real question was actually, "Why do you think i was talking about templates, what the hell are you talking about" That being said, tell me more about this half-Minotaur template....... (Not sarcastic, this time, just honestly curious)