Highest Strength Racial Bonus? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Highest Strength Racial Bonus? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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RollaD20
08-04-07, 08:37 PM I have other threads asking about best classes for high strength characters and best weps but not one one best race so i figured i would try it:
a Half dragon, Half ogre, Stone Giant effectively:
8+10+16=+34
im not at all familiar with the rules for multiple templates so bear with me but is that the absolutely highest bonus racial str thingy possibly available in the 3.5 rules? or is there higher?
i know some people will say im power gaming when actually, i just love shooting for the sky with high strength guys its an entertainment thang.
oh well i digress, any advice for the party's highest hitter?
SilentOne
08-04-07, 08:41 PM If you're just looking for the highest strength, then a were-roc storm giant would be an excellent place to start (+28 for the giant, +24 when in hybrid form from the roc, total of +52 to start, you can throw templates that can be applied on top of this to the creature. What's even better, this is only CR 19 right now.
wexer9
08-04-07, 08:41 PM Check this topic, and do some searching of your own.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=283138
By the way, this is stickied at the top of the Races forum.
RollaD20
08-04-07, 08:44 PM silent what book is the roc is?

also wexer i cant use the races creation list as they are not in an official book (sorry mate DM's rules)
Thomar_of_Uointer
08-04-07, 08:56 PM silent what book is the roc is?

also wexer i cant use the races creation list as they are not in an official book (sorry mate DM's rules)

The Roc is in the Monster Manual. However, the ECL of a were-roc is epic even before you figure out what type of giant to apply it to.

Currently, Pun-Pun is the highest-Strength build possible. He was a kobold wizard Character Optimization experiment involving a lizard race from an FR supplement that can morph other lizard-like creatures to have abilities it has. The build uses a loop involving Metamorphic Transfer and alter self to have the kobold give his familiar the morphing ability, then having the familiar give it back. The kobold can then use enlarge self to boost his Strength, then pass permanent, typeless, cumulative Strength boosts back and forth between himself and his familiar ad nauseum.

If you're going for a clean (read: non-cheezy and low-LA) high-Strength build, I'd recommend the Half-Giant from the Expanded Psionics Handbook. Half-Giants can take advantage of the Psionic Weapon feat chain (expend focus to deal extra d6s of damage and resolve melee attacks as touch attacks) without having to actually take levels in a psionic class or take the Wild Talent feat.
zook1shoe666
08-05-07, 10:29 AM http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=897750

check this one out.... i was soooo bored one night. STR 112 in hybrid form

you could increase the STR bonus from the were creature by using something other than the dire rat i used.
RollaD20
08-05-07, 11:42 AM The Pun-Pun Build is fun but its waay too easy to abuse.
The Half-Roc is Out Of the Question.
The infinite Template Thing Would Eventually Cause Confliction along the line somewhere and i already know my DM wont want me to play that thing (even if it is pretty creative).

might try a half giant, whats the strength bonus and LA on them?
Thomar_of_Uointer
08-05-07, 03:08 PM might try a half giant, whats the strength bonus and LA on them?

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicRaces.htm#halfGiants

Again, if you're playing a half-giant I highly recommend you read up on the 3.5 psionics rules, which are also in the SRD.
lord_xarallon
08-05-07, 05:18 PM Orcs.

They have the highest str with the lowest ECL (0).
zook1shoe666
08-05-07, 06:41 PM The infinite Template Thing Would Eventually Cause Confliction along the line somewhere and i already know my DM wont want me to play that thing (even if it is pretty creative).

understandable... no sane DM would let someone play it ;)
RollaD20
08-05-07, 10:27 PM the closest thing to it that i have made today is a:

half-troll half-dragon half-fiend half-minotaur half-ogre stone giant lycanthrope afflicted dire were boar with an LA of +20 and a +90-100+ strength bonus but itd be aweful in an epic campaign as with only 1HD hed have what? 12hp tops?
(this is minus all the levels of giant, monstrous humanoid, and such)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
RollaD20 08-04-07, 08:37 PM	I have other threads asking about best classes for high strength characters and best weps but not one one best race so i figured i would try it: a Half dragon, Half ogre, Stone Giant effectively: 8+10+16=+34 im not at all familiar with the rules for multiple templates so bear with me but is that the absolutely highest bonus racial str thingy possibly available in the 3.5 rules? or is there higher? i know some people will say im power gaming when actually, i just love shooting for the sky with high strength guys its an entertainment thang. oh well i digress, any advice for the party's highest hitter?
SilentOne 08-04-07, 08:41 PM	If you're just looking for the highest strength, then a were-roc storm giant would be an excellent place to start (+28 for the giant, +24 when in hybrid form from the roc, total of +52 to start, you can throw templates that can be applied on top of this to the creature. What's even better, this is only CR 19 right now.
wexer9 08-04-07, 08:41 PM	Check this topic, and do some searching of your own. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=283138 By the way, this is stickied at the top of the Races forum.
RollaD20 08-04-07, 08:44 PM	silent what book is the roc is? also wexer i cant use the races creation list as they are not in an official book (sorry mate DM's rules)
Thomar_of_Uointer 08-04-07, 08:56 PM	silent what book is the roc is? also wexer i cant use the races creation list as they are not in an official book (sorry mate DM's rules) The Roc is in the Monster Manual. However, the ECL of a were-roc is epic even before you figure out what type of giant to apply it to. Currently, Pun-Pun is the highest-Strength build possible. He was a kobold wizard Character Optimization experiment involving a lizard race from an FR supplement that can morph other lizard-like creatures to have abilities it has. The build uses a loop involving Metamorphic Transfer and alter self to have the kobold give his familiar the morphing ability, then having the familiar give it back. The kobold can then use enlarge self to boost his Strength, then pass permanent, typeless, cumulative Strength boosts back and forth between himself and his familiar ad nauseum. If you're going for a clean (read: non-cheezy and low-LA) high-Strength build, I'd recommend the Half-Giant from the Expanded Psionics Handbook. Half-Giants can take advantage of the Psionic Weapon feat chain (expend focus to deal extra d6s of damage and resolve melee attacks as touch attacks) without having to actually take levels in a psionic class or take the Wild Talent feat.
zook1shoe666 08-05-07, 10:29 AM	http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=897750 check this one out.... i was soooo bored one night. STR 112 in hybrid form you could increase the STR bonus from the were creature by using something other than the dire rat i used.
RollaD20 08-05-07, 11:42 AM	The Pun-Pun Build is fun but its waay too easy to abuse. The Half-Roc is Out Of the Question. The infinite Template Thing Would Eventually Cause Confliction along the line somewhere and i already know my DM wont want me to play that thing (even if it is pretty creative). might try a half giant, whats the strength bonus and LA on them?
Thomar_of_Uointer 08-05-07, 03:08 PM	might try a half giant, whats the strength bonus and LA on them? http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicRaces.htm#halfGiants Again, if you're playing a half-giant I highly recommend you read up on the 3.5 psionics rules, which are also in the SRD.
lord_xarallon 08-05-07, 05:18 PM	Orcs. They have the highest str with the lowest ECL (0).
zook1shoe666 08-05-07, 06:41 PM	The infinite Template Thing Would Eventually Cause Confliction along the line somewhere and i already know my DM wont want me to play that thing (even if it is pretty creative). understandable... no sane DM would let someone play it ;)
RollaD20 08-05-07, 10:27 PM	the closest thing to it that i have made today is a: half-troll half-dragon half-fiend half-minotaur half-ogre stone giant lycanthrope afflicted dire were boar with an LA of +20 and a +90-100+ strength bonus but itd be aweful in an epic campaign as with only 1HD hed have what? 12hp tops? (this is minus all the levels of giant, monstrous humanoid, and such)