Highest Strength with LA+1 or less? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TygerTyger
08-16-07, 03:20 PM The title says it all. What is the race with the highest strength bonus and an LA of +1 or, even better, no LA at all.

If its a really out there race, can you please include the reference for it. Thanks in advance!
natzero
08-16-07, 03:23 PM dragonic half orc ;p

+4 str, +2 con, +0 cha (-2 + 2)

1 nat armor

and nat weapons

gotta love ;p

la +1
Armoracia Rusticana
08-16-07, 03:27 PM Broken:

Half-Minotaur or Feral or Llolth-Touched

Water Orc
weasel0
08-16-07, 04:35 PM Half-ogre +6.... well, it is 3.0 savage species
Istaran
08-16-07, 04:43 PM dragonic half orc ;p

+4 str, +2 con, +0 cha (-2 + 2)

1 nat armor

and nat weapons

gotta love ;p

la +1

Orc is also LA +0, so why not draconic orc? +6 str
natzero
08-16-07, 05:04 PM i keep forgetting orc is la +0

either way works, but half-orc wont be killed on sight by racist human guards ;p

they will at least let him make it to the gate.
Templario
08-16-07, 09:06 PM Dragon Magazine #313 has some nice templates for you. Half-Minotaurs gtives you large size, what means... +8 STR o.O

Of course it's insane, but if your DM is a liberal one... why not? :D
runestar
08-16-07, 11:59 PM So half-minotaur orc would give you +16str for LA+1.:D
AtsuiShoto
08-17-07, 02:40 AM So half-minotaur orc would give you +16str for LA+1.
Um, +12, I think. +4 for the Orc and +8 for the Half-minotaur template. Of course, that's still insane, but nobody here is claiming that the Half-minotaur template isn't.

Oh, you might actually be thinking of an Ogre-minotaur, which would be +16 for +2 LA and 2 MH hit dice.
Tedronai
08-17-07, 03:34 AM Lolth-Touched Orc, for a completely WoTC official publication +10 Str at ECL 2 (+1 LA, no HD)

Of course, how in the Hell's that ever managed to happen is up to you and the DM, as Lolth-Touched is an acquired template given to those who serve the Spider Queen, protect locations 'sacred' to her, or as rewards for great service to her people (and not even drow like orcs, despite thier mutual enmity with the surface elves).
AtsuiShoto
08-17-07, 04:13 AM I think an Orc-minotaur is more believable, and it's +12 instead of +10, to boot. Take your first level in the Orc Paragon class to eliminate Light Sensitivity, or 3 levels for even more strength (+2, but I'd rather go for levels in Barbarian).
runestar
08-17-07, 05:54 AM Um, +12, I think. +4 for the Orc and +8 for the Half-minotaur template. Of course, that's still insane, but nobody here is claiming that the Half-minotaur template isn't.

IIRC, +4 from orc, +4 from half-minotaur, and +8 from being bumped up to large size (since the template explicitly states that you get all the benefits of becoming large, which implies the physical stat mods as well).:P
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
08-17-07, 04:23 PM Incarnate Construct Dustform Creature Orc. +8 Str. No LA.
Kaladon7779
08-17-07, 06:25 PM IIRC, +4 from orc, +4 from half-minotaur, and +8 from being bumped up to large size (since the template explicitly states that you get all the benefits of becoming large, which implies the physical stat mods as well).:P

Where does it state that you get str mod for size catogory. Also a lot of these things you guys are posting are 3.0 races or templates.

Where did you see this half-minotaur? And has anybody checked to see what the LA is and if there is racial hit die?

Largest Str I've seen so far is from an Orc +4str and no LA no Racial Hit Die.
Gabriel Knight52
08-17-07, 10:18 PM Half-Minotaur Mountain Orc, Dragon #313 p 94, Races of Faerūn p.68, STR+8, DEX+0, INT-4, WIS+ 0, CON+ 2, CHA -2, LVL+1

Half-Ogre Minotaur, Dragon #313 p.94, Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.42, STR+8, DEX+0, INT-2, WIS+0, CON+0, CHA-2, LVL+1

Undead:

Shadowslain Half-Ogre, Cormyr, the Tearing of the Weave p.152, Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.41, STR+8, DEX+0, INT-2, WIS+0, CON= x, CHA-2, LVL+1

Pawn of Mindflayers:

Voidmind Minotaur, MM3 p.188, Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.42, STR+8, DEX+0, INT+0, WIS+0, CON+2, CHA-4, LVL+1

Pawn of Lolth:

Lolth-Touched Mountain Orc, MM4 p.92, Races of Faerūn p.68, STR+10, DEX+ 0, INT-2, WIS-2, CON+ 6, CHA-2, LVL+1
Hariman
08-18-07, 12:27 AM Goliaths are from one of the Races books and they get +4 STR and Powerful Build. +1 LA.

Powerful Build lets a creature wield weapons one size category larger than they are. So a medium creature wields large weapons without penalty.

If you're looking for a minimum 16 level build:

Goliath Barbarian1/Fighter4/Bard1 or Sorcerer1/(Or Duskblade 1 if your DM allows.)/Dragon Disciple10

Take Reckless Rage and Weapon Focus/Weapon Specialization/Weapon Mastery and power attack.

If you can get the Mountain Rage (I might have the name wrong) Goliath Barbarian Alternate Class Feature, then you can also enlarge as part of rage for +6 (+8 with reckless rage).

22 Starting STR. (18+4)
26 after level bumps (all till level 16)
32 after reckless rage.
40 after all of the levels of Dragon Disciple.
46 after a +6 belt!
48 if you get the goliath barbarian alternate class feature. With a huge weapon.

2d8+18 while swinging a one handed weapon. 3d6+27 for a two handed weapon.

And if you take a level of Exotic Weapon Master somewhere in there you get 3d6+36! Without Power Attack!

This build can be made even better/worse by using a template or creature that grants more than +4. More than one of which has already been listed.
Lionhearted
08-18-07, 11:13 AM Goliath Barb 4/fighter 2/Frenzied Berserker 5/Primeval 7/ warshaper 2

Str 22 (start) + 5 (Levels) + 8 (Mountain rage with reckless rage) + 6 (frenzy) + 2 (Regression) + 16 (Dire wolverine primal form) + 4 (Warshaper)
= 63 Str without magic items or Inherent bonus

Dex: 14 (start) + 2 (regression) + 8 (Dire wolverine primal form) = 22 Dex

Con 20 (Start) + 2 (regression) + 12 (dire wolverine primal form) + 6 (Rage with reckless rage) + 4 (Warshaper) = 44 con

Not to mention x3 powerattack, supreme cleave, scent, immunity vs crits and sneak attack, morphic weapons, and invincibility during your rage.
Since Primeval forms work exactly like Lycanthropes you can convince your DM to houserule them as Hybrid forms.
Dont forget to get Righteous wrath from BoED to keep your frenzy under control
Lionhearted
08-18-07, 11:48 AM Pawn of Mindflayers:

Voidmind Minotaur, MM3 p.188, Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.42, STR+8, DEX+0, INT+0, WIS+0, CON+2, CHA-4, LVL+1

What? Voidmind has LA +3...
Hariman
08-18-07, 12:19 PM Goliath Barb 4/fighter 2/Frenzied Berserker 5/Primeval 7/ warshaper 2

Str 22 (start) + 5 (Levels) + 8 (Mountain rage with reckless rage) + 6 (frenzy) + 2 (Regression) + 16 (Dire wolverine primal form) + 4 (Warshaper)
= 63 Str without magic items or Inherent bonus

Dex: 14 (start) + 2 (regression) + 8 (Dire wolverine primal form) = 22 Dex

Con 20 (Start) + 2 (regression) + 12 (dire wolverine primal form) + 6 (Rage with reckless rage) + 4 (Warshaper) = 44 con

Not to mention x3 powerattack, supreme cleave, scent, immunity vs crits and sneak attack, morphic weapons, and invincibility during your rage.
Since Primeval forms work exactly like Lycanthropes you can convince your DM to houserule them as Hybrid forms.
Dont forget to get Righteous wrath from BoED to keep your frenzy under control

OK, I didn't know about Primeval forms. But I didn't include Frenzied Berserker because the majority of DMs don't allow it.
Mr_Teapot
08-18-07, 02:28 PM Where did you see this half-minotaur? And has anybody checked to see what the LA is and if there is racial hit die?

It's from Dragon 313. There's no Monstrous hit dice: it's a template, not a race. And it is really listed at LA +1, but with how many advantages it gives you, and the fact that the writeup has some other typos from where it was copied and pasted from the half-Ogre in the same article, it's clear that the LA +1 is a mistake. I know from practice that it's too powerful, I played one.
TygerTyger
08-18-07, 04:02 PM Gotta love how a question about the strongest race with LA+1 or less turns into a bunch of builds. :D That's the net for you.

Thanks for the tips folks. For the record, the character its for is actually a Cleric / Crusader / Ruby Knight Vindicator. I just wanted him to be a really strong character. :)
Hariman
08-18-07, 05:43 PM Gotta love how a question about the strongest race with LA+1 or less turns into a bunch of builds. :D That's the net for you.

Thanks for the tips folks. For the record, the character its for is actually a Cleric / Crusader / Ruby Knight Vindicator. I just wanted him to be a really strong character. :)

I'd have never bothered with a build if you'd said "I already have a build, I just need a race".

But you just asked for a race, and I love posting my "Glass Cannon" Half Dragon Reckless Rager.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TygerTyger 08-16-07, 03:20 PM	The title says it all. What is the race with the highest strength bonus and an LA of +1 or, even better, no LA at all. If its a really out there race, can you please include the reference for it. Thanks in advance!
natzero 08-16-07, 03:23 PM	dragonic half orc ;p +4 str, +2 con, +0 cha (-2 + 2) 1 nat armor and nat weapons gotta love ;p la +1
Armoracia Rusticana 08-16-07, 03:27 PM	Broken: Half-Minotaur or Feral or Llolth-Touched Water Orc
weasel0 08-16-07, 04:35 PM	Half-ogre +6.... well, it is 3.0 savage species
Istaran 08-16-07, 04:43 PM	dragonic half orc ;p +4 str, +2 con, +0 cha (-2 + 2) 1 nat armor and nat weapons gotta love ;p la +1 Orc is also LA +0, so why not draconic orc? +6 str
natzero 08-16-07, 05:04 PM	i keep forgetting orc is la +0 either way works, but half-orc wont be killed on sight by racist human guards ;p they will at least let him make it to the gate.
Templario 08-16-07, 09:06 PM	Dragon Magazine #313 has some nice templates for you. Half-Minotaurs gtives you large size, what means... +8 STR o.O Of course it's insane, but if your DM is a liberal one... why not? :D
runestar 08-16-07, 11:59 PM	So half-minotaur orc would give you +16str for LA+1.:D
AtsuiShoto 08-17-07, 02:40 AM	So half-minotaur orc would give you +16str for LA+1. Um, +12, I think. +4 for the Orc and +8 for the Half-minotaur template. Of course, that's still insane, but nobody here is claiming that the Half-minotaur template isn't. Oh, you might actually be thinking of an Ogre-minotaur, which would be +16 for +2 LA and 2 MH hit dice.
Tedronai 08-17-07, 03:34 AM	Lolth-Touched Orc, for a completely WoTC official publication +10 Str at ECL 2 (+1 LA, no HD) Of course, how in the Hell's that ever managed to happen is up to you and the DM, as Lolth-Touched is an acquired template given to those who serve the Spider Queen, protect locations 'sacred' to her, or as rewards for great service to her people (and not even drow like orcs, despite thier mutual enmity with the surface elves).
AtsuiShoto 08-17-07, 04:13 AM	I think an Orc-minotaur is more believable, and it's +12 instead of +10, to boot. Take your first level in the Orc Paragon class to eliminate Light Sensitivity, or 3 levels for even more strength (+2, but I'd rather go for levels in Barbarian).
runestar 08-17-07, 05:54 AM	Um, +12, I think. +4 for the Orc and +8 for the Half-minotaur template. Of course, that's still insane, but nobody here is claiming that the Half-minotaur template isn't. IIRC, +4 from orc, +4 from half-minotaur, and +8 from being bumped up to large size (since the template explicitly states that you get all the benefits of becoming large, which implies the physical stat mods as well).:P
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 08-17-07, 04:23 PM	Incarnate Construct Dustform Creature Orc. +8 Str. No LA.
Kaladon7779 08-17-07, 06:25 PM	IIRC, +4 from orc, +4 from half-minotaur, and +8 from being bumped up to large size (since the template explicitly states that you get all the benefits of becoming large, which implies the physical stat mods as well).:P Where does it state that you get str mod for size catogory. Also a lot of these things you guys are posting are 3.0 races or templates. Where did you see this half-minotaur? And has anybody checked to see what the LA is and if there is racial hit die? Largest Str I've seen so far is from an Orc +4str and no LA no Racial Hit Die.
Gabriel Knight52 08-17-07, 10:18 PM	Half-Minotaur Mountain Orc, Dragon #313 p 94, Races of Faerūn p.68, STR+8, DEX+0, INT-4, WIS+ 0, CON+ 2, CHA -2, LVL+1 Half-Ogre Minotaur, Dragon #313 p.94, Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.42, STR+8, DEX+0, INT-2, WIS+0, CON+0, CHA-2, LVL+1 Undead: Shadowslain Half-Ogre, Cormyr, the Tearing of the Weave p.152, Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.41, STR+8, DEX+0, INT-2, WIS+0, CON= x, CHA-2, LVL+1 Pawn of Mindflayers: Voidmind Minotaur, MM3 p.188, Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.42, STR+8, DEX+0, INT+0, WIS+0, CON+2, CHA-4, LVL+1 Pawn of Lolth: Lolth-Touched Mountain Orc, MM4 p.92, Races of Faerūn p.68, STR+10, DEX+ 0, INT-2, WIS-2, CON+ 6, CHA-2, LVL+1
Hariman 08-18-07, 12:27 AM	Goliaths are from one of the Races books and they get +4 STR and Powerful Build. +1 LA. Powerful Build lets a creature wield weapons one size category larger than they are. So a medium creature wields large weapons without penalty. If you're looking for a minimum 16 level build: Goliath Barbarian1/Fighter4/Bard1 or Sorcerer1/(Or Duskblade 1 if your DM allows.)/Dragon Disciple10 Take Reckless Rage and Weapon Focus/Weapon Specialization/Weapon Mastery and power attack. If you can get the Mountain Rage (I might have the name wrong) Goliath Barbarian Alternate Class Feature, then you can also enlarge as part of rage for +6 (+8 with reckless rage). 22 Starting STR. (18+4) 26 after level bumps (all till level 16) 32 after reckless rage. 40 after all of the levels of Dragon Disciple. 46 after a +6 belt! 48 if you get the goliath barbarian alternate class feature. With a huge weapon. 2d8+18 while swinging a one handed weapon. 3d6+27 for a two handed weapon. And if you take a level of Exotic Weapon Master somewhere in there you get 3d6+36! Without Power Attack! This build can be made even better/worse by using a template or creature that grants more than +4. More than one of which has already been listed.
Lionhearted 08-18-07, 11:13 AM	Goliath Barb 4/fighter 2/Frenzied Berserker 5/Primeval 7/ warshaper 2 Str 22 (start) + 5 (Levels) + 8 (Mountain rage with reckless rage) + 6 (frenzy) + 2 (Regression) + 16 (Dire wolverine primal form) + 4 (Warshaper) = 63 Str without magic items or Inherent bonus Dex: 14 (start) + 2 (regression) + 8 (Dire wolverine primal form) = 22 Dex Con 20 (Start) + 2 (regression) + 12 (dire wolverine primal form) + 6 (Rage with reckless rage) + 4 (Warshaper) = 44 con Not to mention x3 powerattack, supreme cleave, scent, immunity vs crits and sneak attack, morphic weapons, and invincibility during your rage. Since Primeval forms work exactly like Lycanthropes you can convince your DM to houserule them as Hybrid forms. Dont forget to get Righteous wrath from BoED to keep your frenzy under control
Lionhearted 08-18-07, 11:48 AM	Pawn of Mindflayers: Voidmind Minotaur, MM3 p.188, Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.42, STR+8, DEX+0, INT+0, WIS+0, CON+2, CHA-4, LVL+1 What? Voidmind has LA +3...
Hariman 08-18-07, 12:19 PM	Goliath Barb 4/fighter 2/Frenzied Berserker 5/Primeval 7/ warshaper 2 Str 22 (start) + 5 (Levels) + 8 (Mountain rage with reckless rage) + 6 (frenzy) + 2 (Regression) + 16 (Dire wolverine primal form) + 4 (Warshaper) = 63 Str without magic items or Inherent bonus Dex: 14 (start) + 2 (regression) + 8 (Dire wolverine primal form) = 22 Dex Con 20 (Start) + 2 (regression) + 12 (dire wolverine primal form) + 6 (Rage with reckless rage) + 4 (Warshaper) = 44 con Not to mention x3 powerattack, supreme cleave, scent, immunity vs crits and sneak attack, morphic weapons, and invincibility during your rage. Since Primeval forms work exactly like Lycanthropes you can convince your DM to houserule them as Hybrid forms. Dont forget to get Righteous wrath from BoED to keep your frenzy under control OK, I didn't know about Primeval forms. But I didn't include Frenzied Berserker because the majority of DMs don't allow it.
Mr_Teapot 08-18-07, 02:28 PM	Where did you see this half-minotaur? And has anybody checked to see what the LA is and if there is racial hit die? It's from Dragon 313. There's no Monstrous hit dice: it's a template, not a race. And it is really listed at LA +1, but with how many advantages it gives you, and the fact that the writeup has some other typos from where it was copied and pasted from the half-Ogre in the same article, it's clear that the LA +1 is a mistake. I know from practice that it's too powerful, I played one.
TygerTyger 08-18-07, 04:02 PM	Gotta love how a question about the strongest race with LA+1 or less turns into a bunch of builds. :D That's the net for you. Thanks for the tips folks. For the record, the character its for is actually a Cleric / Crusader / Ruby Knight Vindicator. I just wanted him to be a really strong character. :)
Hariman 08-18-07, 05:43 PM	Gotta love how a question about the strongest race with LA+1 or less turns into a bunch of builds. :D That's the net for you. Thanks for the tips folks. For the record, the character its for is actually a Cleric / Crusader / Ruby Knight Vindicator. I just wanted him to be a really strong character. :) I'd have never bothered with a build if you'd said "I already have a build, I just need a race". But you just asked for a race, and I love posting my "Glass Cannon" Half Dragon Reckless Rager.