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monkofcuthbert4684 02-28-07, 04:52 PM	I know I have asked this question already (See "Gnomes are a weird race"), but it is really starting to bug me, so I started another post for it. What are the stats for hobbits? They can't be like halflings, because they're too fat to have a bonus to dex. Or can they?
kwanzaabot 02-28-07, 05:05 PM	Halfling stats are pretty much ripped straight from Bilbo Baggins (read The Hobbit, if you haven't already). So yeah, they are Hobbits after all.
monkofcuthbert4684 02-28-07, 05:14 PM	I've read it, but it doesn't give numbers. So how about it?
Leo 02-28-07, 05:14 PM	They look fat, but are actually are pretty fast and agile. See LOTR also. There's an introduction to hobbit society in the begginning. And then there is that battle with the troll, plus dodging the black riders, etc, etc. They want you to think they're slow:P
monkofcuthbert4684 02-28-07, 05:15 PM	Numbers, please?
Ryusage 02-28-07, 05:17 PM	Numbers, please? do you mean statistics? There are none for hobbits. Basically, the creators of D&D wanted to call halflings Hobbits but was not granted permission to use the name. So they renamed them halflings.
lint trap 02-28-07, 05:18 PM	Numbers, please? Tolkien never gave stats for hobbits, if that's what you're asking. Why do you keep saying "numbers?"
MasterSamurai 02-28-07, 05:18 PM	Yeah...stupid fat hobbits...always looking at my precious....they wants it for themselves....look at their fat beady little eyes....they can'ts have it...it belongs to us
monkofcuthbert4684 02-28-07, 05:19 PM	I'm asking if anyone ever made up a hobbit, and if they did, what would their stats be?
kwanzaabot 02-28-07, 05:31 PM	I'm asking if anyone ever made up a hobbit, and if they did, what would their stats be? Do you have the Player's Handbook? It's in that.
Jaeron Dalur 02-28-07, 05:35 PM	I'm asking if anyone ever made up a hobbit, and if they did, what would their stats be? Hobbits ARE Halflings. Even in Tolkien's books it is said that "halfling" is a synonym for "hobbit".
Limousine_Liberal 02-28-07, 05:41 PM	do you mean statistics? There are none for hobbits. Basically, the creators of D&D wanted to call halflings Hobbits but was not granted permission to use the name. So they renamed them halflings. The game designers *did* in fact call them hobbits for a short time, without permission...until they got sued and changed the name.
Kursk 02-28-07, 05:54 PM	I know I have asked this question already (See "Gnomes are a weird race"), but it is really starting to bug me, so I started another post for it. What are the stats for hobbits? They can't be like halflings, because they're too fat to have a bonus to dex. Or can they? Read the "Hobbit".
AZNsupermarket 02-28-07, 06:21 PM	This what you're looking for?: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=685677
Willie the Duck 02-28-07, 06:38 PM	Okay, people aren't being helpful. monkofcuthbert4684, back when D&D was created, Gygax or Arneson realized that people would want to play the races made popular by LotR. Thus, in addition to the fighting man, cleric, thief, and magic user classes, you could also play elf, dwarf, or hobbit classes (quickly changed to hafling to dispel legal concens). As the game evolved into advanced D&D, halfling became a race you could play (most) any class with. Up through AD&D 2e, halflings basically represented LotR hobbits 1 for 1 (maybe with a little elfishness, as they had the same woodland stealth, etc). When 3e rolled around, the designers decided that halflings needed a makeover if they expected anyone to play them (sure the hobbits are the heroes of the FotR books/movies, but basically because they slipped past all the bad guys who were more concerned with the heroic characters like gandolf and Aragorn). Thus 3e halflings are alot more roguish, nimble looking, American's-idea-of-what-gypsies-look-like kind of characters (almost kender from dragonlance). So yes, halflings ARE hobbits, just with a makeover. Remove the makeover and you're back to hobbits. No numbers need be changed.
JarionSilverblades 02-28-07, 06:50 PM	These are the traits I use. NEW SUB-RACE (SHIREFOLK HALFLING) *+2 Dexterity, -2 Strength. *Small size. +1 bonus to Armor Class, +1 bonus on attack rolls, +4 bonus on Hide checks, -4 penalty on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits ¾ those of Medium characters. *A halfling’s base land speed is 20 feet. *+2 racial bonus on Climb, Escape Artist and Move Silently checks. *+1 racial bonus on all saving throws. *+2 morale bonus on saving throws against mind-affecting spells and effcts. This bonus stacks with the halfling’s +1 bonus on saving throws in general. *+1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons and slings. *+2 racial bonus on Listen checks. *Automatic Languages: Common, Halfling. Bonus Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Goblin, Orc. *Favored Class: Bard
anas_thesy84 02-28-07, 07:27 PM	maybe you guys havent noticed it, but in the first lord of the ring, Saruman ask an Uruk-HAI to ''bring the halflings!!!''...so...Hobbits are indeed halflings
JarionSilverblades 02-28-07, 07:35 PM	Read the "Hobbit". I have, almost once every year, starting back in 1993. maybe you guys havent noticed it, but in the first lord of the ring, Saruman ask an Uruk-HAI to ''bring the halflings!!!''...so...Hobbits are indeed halflings NO!!!...Halfings are Hobbits. Hobbits came first, give Tolkien his props.
Kursk 02-28-07, 07:57 PM	I have, almost once every year, starting back in 1993. So? Why are you answering for monkofcuthbert4684 ?
JarionSilverblades 02-28-07, 08:04 PM	So? Why are you answering for monkofcuthbert4684 ? I wasn't, I was just saying.
Fencerboy 02-28-07, 08:38 PM	These are the traits I use. NEW SUB-RACE (SHIREFOLK HALFLING) *+2 Dexterity, -2 Strength. *Small size. +1 bonus to Armor Class, +1 bonus on attack rolls, +4 bonus on Hide checks, -4 penalty on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits ¾ those of Medium characters. *A halfling’s base land speed is 20 feet. *+2 racial bonus on Climb, Escape Artist and Move Silently checks. *+1 racial bonus on all saving throws. *+2 morale bonus on saving throws against mind-affecting spells and effcts. This bonus stacks with the halfling’s +1 bonus on saving throws in general. *+1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons and slings. *+2 racial bonus on Listen checks. *Automatic Languages: Common, Halfling. Bonus Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Goblin, Orc. *Favored Class: Bard So, umm, you changed the favored class to something that isn't as popular as rogue for them? :bored:
JarionSilverblades 03-01-07, 07:11 PM	Just some ?s, I'd like to see who can anwser them. POP QUIZ part 1 1) How old was Bilbo when he left hobbiton with the Dwarves? 2) What day did Gandalf first speak with Bilbo? 3) Who was the first Dwarf to arrive at Bilbo’s home? 4) Where did Gandalf place the letter telling Bilbo where to meet the Dwarves and himself? 5) What item did Bilbo leave without? 6) What was the name of one of the trolls Bilbo and the Dwarves encounter? 7) What was the elven name of Thorin Oakenshield’s sword?
Rhydur Meith 03-01-07, 07:48 PM	Okay, people aren't being helpful. monkofcuthbert4684, back when D&D was created, Gygax or Arneson realized that people would want to play the races made popular by LotR. Thus, in addition to the fighting man, cleric, thief, and magic user classes, you could also play elf, dwarf, or hobbit classes (quickly changed to hafling to dispel legal concens). As the game evolved into advanced D&D, halfling became a race you could play (most) any class with. So yes, halflings ARE hobbits, just with a makeover. Remove the makeover and you're back to hobbits. No numbers need be changed. Sentiment is correct, but facts are a little off. OD&D (the little brown books Gary wrote using info from his & Dave's games) had both classes and races, fighting man, magic-user & cleric, later thief, monk, druid, illusionist, ranger, paladin and assassin. But the races were separate, human, elf, dwarf, hobbit (halfling was given as another name for them) and half-elf. It was Basic D&D (the Red Box, etc. line) in which Dwarf, Elf, etc. were both races & classes. To those of us from tha ttime, this is an important distinction, as the Red Box game was considered distinctly inferior to OD&D and later AD&D, except of course by those who played those versions! :) In OD&D, only humans could be any class, and only humans could advance past certain level restrictions. Dwarves & Hobbits could not be magic-users(initially they could not even be clerics, but this changed with the first supplement, the originalGreyhawk ). Elves initially could be magic-users or fighters, again this changed in Greyhawk. Only humans could be paladins or monks when those classes came out; only humans and elves could be druids, illusionists or rangers. Anyone could be a thief. And, yes Tolkien's estate demanded that LotR names, such as Hobbits and Ents, not be used without license. So Halflings was substituted instead, as even though Tolkien had used this as an alternate name, it was not specific to LotR. That wasn't TSR's only time they used material without permission. In the first hardback Deities and Demigods, there were two entire pantheons listed they did not have rights to, and have to remove in later editions.
R4za 03-01-07, 07:54 PM	Like said, as race goes, halflings = hobbits. There's a cultural difference between shire hobbits and the typical DnD halfling, but they're the same species. If you want to have a homely, non-adventerous culture of halflings then exchange the +2 dex for +2 charisma or something, to reflect their polite and pleasant attitudes and social lifestyle.
pres_man 03-01-07, 08:56 PM	Man, I didn't do very well. 1) How old was Bilbo when he left hobbiton with the Dwarves? 55, for his first adventure. He was 111 when he left the second time (accompanied by dwarves ;) ). 2) What day did Gandalf first speak with Bilbo? 3) Who was the first Dwarf to arrive at Bilbo’s home? Thorin? 4) Where did Gandalf place the letter telling Bilbo where to meet the Dwarves and himself? On the mantle? 5) What item did Bilbo leave without? Handkerchief 6) What was the name of one of the trolls Bilbo and the Dwarves encounter? 7) What was the elven name of Thorin Oakenshield’s sword? The goblin-slayer (?), glamdring(sp?) is gandalf's, I can't remember his.
Willie the Duck 03-02-07, 01:13 AM	Good catch Rhydur Meith. I actually knew pretty much all of that stuff, I guess I was just confused about what was considered OD&D (although I did for some reason think they still used the term fighting man in the redbox set). I too started with the brown books (later brown books, I think, as I don't remember a time before thieves). Is there anywhere you can get text or pdf versions of the brown books? I'm not a collector (Although I do have the Cthulu included Deities and Demigods sitting next to my copies of Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller books), and don't have the funds to shell out for an original copy, but it'd be nice to peruse the old rules to see how much of my childhood memories are still accurate and how many have been adulterated by the intervening two and a half decades.
steventirey1985 03-02-07, 09:36 AM	I think I got these right: 1) How old was Bilbo when he left hobbiton with the Dwarves? somewhere in his 50's 2) What day did Gandalf first speak with Bilbo? Tuesday 3) Who was the first Dwarf to arrive at Bilbo’s home? Dwalin 4) Where did Gandalf place the letter telling Bilbo where to meet the Dwarves and himself? the mantel 5) What item did Bilbo leave without? a walking stick and hat 6) What was the name of one of the trolls Bilbo and the Dwarves encounter? Bill, I believe 7) What was the elven name of Thorin Oakenshield’s sword? Orcrist
Zumarai 03-02-07, 09:58 AM	3rd edition Halflings are more like Kender, than hobbits. The Halflings from the 2nd edition Dark Sun campaign were the first to move away from the tubby, furry-footed lazy asses.
nighttree 03-02-07, 10:06 AM	I'm asking if anyone ever made up a hobbit, and if they did, what would their stats be? The Hobbits stats would be exactly the same as the halfling. In fact when I started playing D&D (many moons ago) the Halfling where always pictured as chuby, furry-footed Hobbits. It's only in recent additions that they have gone with a more "kenderish" image and personality for Halflings.
Naderion 03-02-07, 12:37 PM	Halflings have only the name and the throwing-thing of the hobbits, that's all. When you are looking for the race living like hobbits, take a look at the gnomes. It's quite obvious: Hobbits: living in hills Gnomes: living in hills Halflings: nomads Hobbits: belly-tendencies Gnomes: belly-tendencies Halflings: Skinny Hobbits: Chubby faces Gnomes: Chubby faces Halflings: slim features Hobbits: High Fortitude Gnomes: High Fortitude Halflings: Fast Hobbits: Lazy and like to eat Halflings: Quick and agile Hobbits: Nature loving Gnomes: Nature loving Halflings: Urban nomads Hobbits: Cautious of strangers Gnomes: "are a little suspicious about the taler races" Halflings: "try to get along with everyone else" Hobbits: Hate trouble Halflings: "Halflings prefer trouble to boredom"