Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DarkflameX 08-30-07, 04:02 AM	anyone have one? i dont know how to balance LA very well
Radijs 08-30-07, 04:34 AM	I've heard of a LA0 drow in the Faerun setting somewhere. Thats all I know.
BilopTheFleshwarper 08-30-07, 04:35 AM	elf in PHB.
Lazaro 08-30-07, 07:07 AM	Lesser Drow PGtF
reaper5081 08-30-07, 08:45 AM	Same as elf but proficient with hand crossbow and rapier Darkvision 120' and light sensitivity-when exposed abruptly to bright light, dazzled for one round and take -1 on all attacks and precision based actions as long as they stay in the area. 1/day-faerie fire, darkness. CL=class level, DC is charisma based. Hope this helps:D
1 ton ghost 08-30-07, 11:34 AM	from Faerun Campaign Setting book basically, it's all the usual drow stats save for the following to make them "lesser" -60ft darkvision, not 120' -no spell resistance everything else it pretty much the same
Shedeo 08-30-07, 11:46 AM	I would start with what 1 ton ghost suggested, but also take away their Darkness 1/day and their +2 Intelligence/Charisma. Darkness comes as a major blow to one of the coolest things Drow have, however, but I doubt its possible to get away with still having it with LA +0.
Sunblast 08-30-07, 05:51 PM	I swear, I JUST finished replying to someone looking for a LA 0 tiefling. Here ya go! The Drow Drow characters are popular choices for players who like to play evil characters, as well as for those who enjoy scimitar-wielding, misunderstood outcasts. This racial class offers a set of base racial abilities plus two racial levels. Drow Base Racial Features All of the following are base racial abilities for the drow. Ability Score Adjustments: +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, +2 Intelligence. Size: Drow are Medium size. Speed: Drow base land speed is 30 feet. Proficiencies: A drow is proficient with the hand crossbow, rapier, and short sword. Dancing Lights (Sp): A drow may use dancing lights (caster level equals drow's character level) once per day. Darkvision (Ex): A drow has darkvision to a 60-foot range. Immunities (Ex): A drow is immune to magic sleep effects. Light Blindness (Ex): Abrupt exposure to bright light (such as sunlight or a daylight spell) blinds a drow for 1 round. On subsequent rounds, he is dazzled as long as he remains in the affected area. Skill Bonuses: A drow has a +2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. Furthermore, a drow who merely passes within 5 feet of a secret or concealed door is entitled to a Search check to notice it as if he were actively looking for it. Automatic Languages: Common, Elven, Undercommon. Bonus Languages: Abyssal, Aquan, Draconic, Drow Sign Language, Gnome, Goblin. Favored Class: Wizard (male) or cleric (female). A multiclass drow's wizard or cleric class (male or female, respectively) does not count when determining whether an experience point penalty applies. Table SP-20: The Drow Racial Class Level CR Special 1st +1 Darkvision 120 ft., faerie fire, spell resistance (5 + character level) 2nd +1 Cha +2, darkness, saving throw bonuses, spell resistance (11 + character level) Drow Racial Class Features All of the following are class features of the drow racial class. Darkvision (Ex): A 1st-level drow's darkvision range increases to 120 feet. Faerie Fire (Sp): At 1st level, the drow may use faerie fire (caster level equals drow's character level) once per day. Spell Resistance (Su): At 1st level, the drow gains spell resistance equal to 5 + character level. At 2nd level, her spell resistance increases to 11 + character level. Darkness (Sp): At 2nd level, the drow may use darkness (caster level equals drow's character level) once per day. Saving Throw Bonuses (Ex): At 2nd level, a drow gains a +2 racial bonus on Will saves against spells and spell-like abilities. Found it here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a Enjoy!
Rogue Shadows 08-31-07, 09:50 AM	Hmm. ROGUE'S RANDY DARK ELF REMIX - +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, +2 Charisma - Medium-sized - Base speed 30 feet - Darkvision 120 feet - Light blindness (Ex): Blinded for 1 round if suddenly exposed to bright light; -1 racial penalty to all rolls, saves, and checks in bright light. - Immune to sleep - +2 to all Will saves against spells and spell-like effects - +2 to Listen, Search, and Spot. Elf mojo for secret doors. - Automatically proficient with the hand crossbow, whip, rapier, and scimitar. - Spell-like abilities: 1/day - dancing lights as a Sorcerer equal to their character level. A dark elf with at least 13 Charisma can also cast faerie fire 1/day, and a dark elf with at least 15 Charisma can also cast darkness 1/day - Automatic Languages: Elven, Undercommon. Bonus Languages: Abyssal, Draconic, Dwarven, Gnome, Goblin, Orc, Terran - Favored Class: Wizard (male) or Cleric (female)
shadow_brian22 09-16-07, 10:06 PM	I really like Rogue Shadows idea, but i would recomend lowing darkvision to 60 ft., change the +2 to all will saves to just mind affecting spells, and take away darkness. other than that, it sounds quite reasonable. especially when Con hurts you no matter what level you are, you just cant counteract loosing health.
Polaris 09-16-07, 11:30 PM	I swear, I JUST finished replying to someone looking for a LA 0 tiefling. Here ya go! The Drow Drow characters are popular choices for players who like to play evil characters, as well as for those who enjoy scimitar-wielding, misunderstood outcasts. This racial class offers a set of base racial abilities plus two racial levels. Drow Base Racial Features All of the following are base racial abilities for the drow. Ability Score Adjustments: +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, +2 Intelligence. Size: Drow are Medium size. Speed: Drow base land speed is 30 feet. Proficiencies: A drow is proficient with the hand crossbow, rapier, and short sword. Dancing Lights (Sp): A drow may use dancing lights (caster level equals drow's character level) once per day. Darkvision (Ex): A drow has darkvision to a 60-foot range. Immunities (Ex): A drow is immune to magic sleep effects. Light Blindness (Ex): Abrupt exposure to bright light (such as sunlight or a daylight spell) blinds a drow for 1 round. On subsequent rounds, he is dazzled as long as he remains in the affected area. Skill Bonuses: A drow has a +2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. Furthermore, a drow who merely passes within 5 feet of a secret or concealed door is entitled to a Search check to notice it as if he were actively looking for it. Automatic Languages: Common, Elven, Undercommon. Bonus Languages: Abyssal, Aquan, Draconic, Drow Sign Language, Gnome, Goblin. Favored Class: Wizard (male) or cleric (female). A multiclass drow's wizard or cleric class (male or female, respectively) does not count when determining whether an experience point penalty applies. Table SP-20: The Drow Racial Class Level CR Special 1st +1 Darkvision 120 ft., faerie fire, spell resistance (5 + character level) 2nd +1 Cha +2, darkness, saving throw bonuses, spell resistance (11 + character level) Drow Racial Class Features All of the following are class features of the drow racial class. Darkvision (Ex): A 1st-level drow's darkvision range increases to 120 feet. Faerie Fire (Sp): At 1st level, the drow may use faerie fire (caster level equals drow's character level) once per day. Spell Resistance (Su): At 1st level, the drow gains spell resistance equal to 5 + character level. At 2nd level, her spell resistance increases to 11 + character level. Darkness (Sp): At 2nd level, the drow may use darkness (caster level equals drow's character level) once per day. Saving Throw Bonuses (Ex): At 2nd level, a drow gains a +2 racial bonus on Will saves against spells and spell-like abilities. Found it here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a Enjoy! Do NOT use this!!!! It (and most of the LA+0 racial types before advancement) are horribly overpowered. In particular that LA+0 Drow gets +2 Dex and +2 Int for -2 Con. That's absolutely verboten for an LA+0 race. No LA+0 race should get more attribute bonuses than minuses. Worse one of those racial bonuses is mental which creatures huge problems in of itself. No. The best way to do an LA+0 Drow is to identify the two key things that make a Drow an almost mandatory LA+2. They are: 1. Unbalanced (high) ability scores. 2. Spell Resistance. Thus to fix 1. give Drow the same attribute bonuses and penalties that other elves get (i.e. +2 Dex/-2Con). Then to fix 2, simply remove the SR. You can probably keep the +2 saves vs all spells. You can also probably keep the Darkvision 120' since the race also has lightblindness. You're done. -Polaris
shadow_brian22 09-17-07, 06:31 PM	If you look at Rogue Shadows idea, they are getting +2 dex and +2 cha for =2 con. Not terrible at all, especially when u lower DV, take out SR, and keap light ssensitivity. the Charisma only helps for scorcers and bards on paper, while the int helps on both paper and game. the Cha aint that terribly powerfuly unless you are one of the befor said classes. It makes them quite balanced if you ask me.
Polaris 09-17-07, 11:24 PM	If you look at Rogue Shadows idea, they are getting +2 dex and +2 cha for =2 con. Not terrible at all, especially when u lower DV, take out SR, and keap light ssensitivity. the Charisma only helps for scorcers and bards on paper, while the int helps on both paper and game. the Cha aint that terribly powerfuly unless you are one of the befor said classes. It makes them quite balanced if you ask me. Actually Rogue Shadow's idea is a terrible one. First of all, to evaluate any attribute bonus properly, you have to look at the case where it gives the maximum bonus, and for +2 Charisma that's the sorcerer. +2 Charisma gives NINE spell-focus feats AND bonus spells (note the plural) that improve as the character goes up in level. Worse, there is absolutely no attribute drawback for this ability (since the +2 Dex and -2 Con cancel). It's terribly overpowered for LA+0. Just the fact it has more bonuses than minuses makes it overpowered at LA+0 even without the mental attribute bonus. It's also not very well thought out (nor are most LA+0 templates for LA > 0 races for Savage Species style racial progression). -Polaris
BugHunter 09-18-07, 12:30 AM	Just use the lesser drow in the Player's Guide to Faerun or the drow racial class in the Drow of the Underdark.
Kakerate 09-21-07, 02:48 PM	With drow, I'm not against just dropping the LA all togeather. If you just give the other players some nice starting item to balance the power alittle it seems to work out fine. Plus, I dont like how level adjustment screws with your player's hp and class progression, so I'd rather balance the drow in game with the other characters, than rely on some retarded LA system that does its job half-a**ed. I think balancing this way with no LA helps the player enjoy the "monster" race more, and the other players become more accepting to one player getting to play a "monster" race.
Polaris 09-21-07, 02:56 PM	With drow, I'm not against just dropping the LA all togeather. If you just give the other players some nice starting item to balance the power alittle it seems to work out fine. Plus, I dont like how level adjustment screws with your player's hp and class progression, so I'd rather balance the drow in game with the other characters, than rely on some retarded LA system that does its job half-a**ed. Actually for Drow this is a terrible idea. Unlike most other races, the primary Drow racial abilities that give it the LA actually scale with level (i.e. their SR and +2 Int/Cha depending on Arcane casting class). Very few racial abilities do, but these do. That's why allowing level buy-off for Drow is also a terrible idea. There is no item in the book that gives anything close to the SCALING drow racial abilities. I think balancing this way with no LA helps the player enjoy the "monster" race more, and the other players become more accepting to one player getting to play a "monster" race. Not for Drow. See above. -Polaris
Kakerate 09-21-07, 03:35 PM	Actually for Drow this is a terrible idea. Unlike most other races, the primary Drow racial abilities that give it the LA actually scale with level (i.e. their SR and +2 Int/Cha depending on Arcane casting class). Very few racial abilities do, but these do. Its like you don't realize that as levels progress I can "reward" the other players so its not imbalanced... That's why allowing level buy-off for Drow is also a terrible idea. There is no item in the book that gives anything close to the SCALING drow racial abilities. Your right, but I think its still a better plan to balance the other players with rewards. # Rather than using LA(the player gets the raw deal of less hp and class abilities) just so they can enjoy playing an uncommon race.(and really, will they enjoy it half as much with less hp and class abilities?) # And I also don't want to take away the drow's abilities to balance them... the pc is playing the drow to have those abilities. It all just seems so much more simple to balance the pcs in game with rewards... If thats not your style you will never agree with me. Its understandable that lots of people don't want to have to balance the pcs, if your one of them you'll stick to your guns, but if you do get good at balancing pc power it will only help your game. #You could say, "Your making the game more fun for the Pc with the drow" and all you have to do is a little rewarding, that Honestly, I don't see the pcs B****ing about.
Polaris 09-21-07, 03:46 PM	Its like you don't realize that as levels progress I can "reward" the other players so its not imbalanced... Yes it is. What you are forced to do by your own admission is either: a. Give special treatment to those players that don't play the drow. b. (de facto) Give special treatment to the player of the drow character by allowing them to have these abilities without cost in the first place. Giving special treatment (or even perceived special treatment) is a horrible idea in an RPG. If I have to explain why, then I can't help you. -Polaris
Kakerate 09-21-07, 03:56 PM	Sorry, I confused what I ment in that last line of my post...(probably) Just balance pc power so all pcs are nearly as powerfull as each other every now and then. No favoritizim. The drow would start with less rewards at the start of the game, but would otherwise be balanced with the other pcs power wise. Some masterwork items and a few magic trinkets might do this nicely. Later on, the story might have those items or trinkets playing key roles in quests, leading to enchantments and such. Not difficult to sketch in at all.
Polaris 09-21-07, 04:00 PM	Kakerate, No. I understand what you are saying perfectly well. However, I don't think the converse is true. In order to "balance" out by your subjective view the drow PC against the others, you have to physically intervene in the game and explicitly favor the other PCs. That's unfair, and it creates a bad game. [Whether it's actually balanced or not, the perception of favoritism is bad.] If you don't, then that's also unfair and favors the Drow PC. That's bad too. In short, don't. -Polaris