Large Races [Archive] - Wizards Community

Large Races [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
AlphaAbbott
09-30-07, 01:15 PM Hey guys. I'm looking for a large race with a +0 LA. I'm not sure one exists, i havent been able to find one, but if there are, i would love to play my next character as something like that.
zook1shoe666
09-30-07, 01:28 PM nope... they have +1 and higher only

reason: large = reach = threatens greater area = POWERFUL
StevenO
09-30-07, 01:43 PM Additionally Large = Bigger weapons = more damage which combos well with a reach improvement.
j3st3r
09-30-07, 04:25 PM Half-Ogre has the lowest ECL of all the large sized creatures (LA +2, no racial HD).

If the Campaign you're playing in has a lot of magic, perhaps permanent Enlarge Person might be OK with your DM once your character has attained enough gold & experience.
AlphaAbbott
09-30-07, 07:58 PM thanks. im not really looking for anything above +1 LA but thanks for your replies. i guess i'll just have to go in a different direction.
The Livewire
09-30-07, 10:21 PM Ironborn from Book of Iron Might. That's the only one I can think of.
AtsuiShoto
10-02-07, 12:05 AM Ironborn from Book of Iron Might. That's the only one I can think of. Wow! Is that REALLY a +0 LA race with Large size? I would be really interested so see how the designer "balanced" out that race. Fitting features that are usually +1 or +2 LA by themselves into +0 LA races is a fun exercise, sure, but not usually a successful one.
RollaD20
10-02-07, 01:33 AM goliath's powerful build gives it reach no?
j3st3r
10-02-07, 03:57 AM goliath's powerful build gives it reach no?

No. Neither does the Half Giants.
Majick
10-02-07, 04:36 AM what is the original concept? why do you need to be large?
StevenO
10-02-07, 04:38 PM Ironborn from Book of Iron Might. That's the only one I can think of.
Is that a WotC book or one from a third party? Often a third party supplement will contain something that breaks most of the basic design rules of 3ed.
Kadasbrass
10-02-07, 07:49 PM Is that a WotC book or one from a third party? Often a third party supplement will contain something that breaks most of the basic design rules of 3ed.

Its a 3rd party campaign setting. And WotC products break the rules just as much if not more then any third party.
Orchomenos
10-03-07, 10:42 AM goliath's powerful build gives it reach no?

No. But the variant barbarian class feature Montain Rage makes them Large for the duration of their rage, giving them the additional reach.
AtsuiShoto
10-03-07, 06:27 PM So, does anyone have the scoop on how a Large creature could POSSIBLY be balanced without a LA? I'm thinking eliminate reach and severely hit dexterity (for short, stubby arms). Something along those lines, perhaps.

How did the Book of Iron Might do it? (But remember, please, don't post full details, so as not to violate Malhavoc's Press' rights)
ToastedAmphibian
10-03-07, 08:06 PM You dont want reach? If you dont want reach, why not just powerfull build? Or go "Large, long" instead of "Large, tall"
ToastedAmphibian
10-03-07, 08:11 PM What about a centaur with no ability mods and a speed of 30. You end up with large size (Bigger weapons, bigger space) darkvision (Monstrous humanoid) and +2NA (No hooves, they suck anyways) Would that be a +0LA ? If not, what if you drop the NA?

Edit: assuming only 1 racial HD
AtsuiShoto
10-05-07, 04:39 AM If you dont want reach, why not just powerfull build?Because Powerful Build goes a decent ways toward +1 LA by itself, and it still doesn't count as Large... while my goals are +0 LA and qualifying for things that have a Large prerequisite. Large size without reach is less powerful (ignoring the prerequisite qualifications) than Powerful Build, because you get hit with -1 to AC and attacks.

I'd say a Large(Long) bipedal race could be made +0 LA. Being Large(Long) means no reach, and being bipedal means no quadrupedal boost to carrying capacity. Of course, a Large(Long) biped is a veloceraptor, right? I just CAN'T shake the image and posture out of my mind.

Okay, getting away from the "Long" part... how about a race proportioned somewhat like a human little person, but about 8 feet tall and weighing 900lb? No reach (short arms), Large size, and I'm thinking a Dex penalty wouldn't be out of order. Is this starting to sound balanced?

+2 Str, -4 Dex
Size: Large
Space/Reach: 10ftx10ft, 5ft
+1 Natural Armor
runestar
10-05-07, 06:22 AM How far do you want to go in simulating a large race?

There is a human-only regional feat called jotunbrud (races of faerun) which lets you be treated as 1 size larger for opposed checks. Monkey grip lets you wield a larger weapon. A human with these 2 feats and weapon focus has the rough equivalent of an inferior version of powerful build...:P
ToastedAmphibian
10-05-07, 03:41 PM Sounds more like he wants to make a war-hulk or something.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
AlphaAbbott 09-30-07, 01:15 PM	Hey guys. I'm looking for a large race with a +0 LA. I'm not sure one exists, i havent been able to find one, but if there are, i would love to play my next character as something like that.
zook1shoe666 09-30-07, 01:28 PM	nope... they have +1 and higher only reason: large = reach = threatens greater area = POWERFUL
StevenO 09-30-07, 01:43 PM	Additionally Large = Bigger weapons = more damage which combos well with a reach improvement.
j3st3r 09-30-07, 04:25 PM	Half-Ogre has the lowest ECL of all the large sized creatures (LA +2, no racial HD). If the Campaign you're playing in has a lot of magic, perhaps permanent Enlarge Person might be OK with your DM once your character has attained enough gold & experience.
AlphaAbbott 09-30-07, 07:58 PM	thanks. im not really looking for anything above +1 LA but thanks for your replies. i guess i'll just have to go in a different direction.
The Livewire 09-30-07, 10:21 PM	Ironborn from Book of Iron Might. That's the only one I can think of.
AtsuiShoto 10-02-07, 12:05 AM	Ironborn from Book of Iron Might. That's the only one I can think of. Wow! Is that REALLY a +0 LA race with Large size? I would be really interested so see how the designer "balanced" out that race. Fitting features that are usually +1 or +2 LA by themselves into +0 LA races is a fun exercise, sure, but not usually a successful one.
RollaD20 10-02-07, 01:33 AM	goliath's powerful build gives it reach no?
j3st3r 10-02-07, 03:57 AM	goliath's powerful build gives it reach no? No. Neither does the Half Giants.
Majick 10-02-07, 04:36 AM	what is the original concept? why do you need to be large?
StevenO 10-02-07, 04:38 PM	Ironborn from Book of Iron Might. That's the only one I can think of. Is that a WotC book or one from a third party? Often a third party supplement will contain something that breaks most of the basic design rules of 3ed.
Kadasbrass 10-02-07, 07:49 PM	Is that a WotC book or one from a third party? Often a third party supplement will contain something that breaks most of the basic design rules of 3ed. Its a 3rd party campaign setting. And WotC products break the rules just as much if not more then any third party.
Orchomenos 10-03-07, 10:42 AM	goliath's powerful build gives it reach no? No. But the variant barbarian class feature Montain Rage makes them Large for the duration of their rage, giving them the additional reach.
AtsuiShoto 10-03-07, 06:27 PM	So, does anyone have the scoop on how a Large creature could POSSIBLY be balanced without a LA? I'm thinking eliminate reach and severely hit dexterity (for short, stubby arms). Something along those lines, perhaps. How did the Book of Iron Might do it? (But remember, please, don't post full details, so as not to violate Malhavoc's Press' rights)
ToastedAmphibian 10-03-07, 08:06 PM	You dont want reach? If you dont want reach, why not just powerfull build? Or go "Large, long" instead of "Large, tall"
ToastedAmphibian 10-03-07, 08:11 PM	What about a centaur with no ability mods and a speed of 30. You end up with large size (Bigger weapons, bigger space) darkvision (Monstrous humanoid) and +2NA (No hooves, they suck anyways) Would that be a +0LA ? If not, what if you drop the NA? Edit: assuming only 1 racial HD
AtsuiShoto 10-05-07, 04:39 AM	If you dont want reach, why not just powerfull build?Because Powerful Build goes a decent ways toward +1 LA by itself, and it still doesn't count as Large... while my goals are +0 LA and qualifying for things that have a Large prerequisite. Large size without reach is less powerful (ignoring the prerequisite qualifications) than Powerful Build, because you get hit with -1 to AC and attacks. I'd say a Large(Long) bipedal race could be made +0 LA. Being Large(Long) means no reach, and being bipedal means no quadrupedal boost to carrying capacity. Of course, a Large(Long) biped is a veloceraptor, right? I just CAN'T shake the image and posture out of my mind. Okay, getting away from the "Long" part... how about a race proportioned somewhat like a human little person, but about 8 feet tall and weighing 900lb? No reach (short arms), Large size, and I'm thinking a Dex penalty wouldn't be out of order. Is this starting to sound balanced? +2 Str, -4 Dex Size: Large Space/Reach: 10ftx10ft, 5ft +1 Natural Armor
runestar 10-05-07, 06:22 AM	How far do you want to go in simulating a large race? There is a human-only regional feat called jotunbrud (races of faerun) which lets you be treated as 1 size larger for opposed checks. Monkey grip lets you wield a larger weapon. A human with these 2 feats and weapon focus has the rough equivalent of an inferior version of powerful build...:P
ToastedAmphibian 10-05-07, 03:41 PM	Sounds more like he wants to make a war-hulk or something.