looking for an Undead race (aquired template?) [Archive] - Wizards Community

looking for an Undead race (aquired template?) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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The_One_Who_Walks
04-01-07, 03:12 PM ok, other than Lich and Vampire, are there any interesting sentient, independent (i.e., not/no longer spawn), copreal undead that a PC could realistically become by choice, during an ongoing campaign? Ideally not too powerful (both Lich and Vampire are FAR more powerful than I'm looking for), to aviod a big jump in ECL, as my DM wants to keep me more or less in line with the rest of the party the whole time. The character is a cleric, but leans just a bit more toward physical combat than your "typical" cleric... Anyway, any advice on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
obrysii
04-01-07, 03:15 PM Dry Lich, accessed via the Walker in the Waste, has no LA (assumingly, at least if you go through the PrC to get to it).

Necropolitans are an LA +0 undead, although the ritual to become one causes you to lose a level.
calronmoonflower
04-01-07, 03:18 PM Corpse creature and skeleton creature from the Book of Vile Darkness should work.
The_One_Who_Walks
04-01-07, 03:24 PM hmm.... what is a Walker in the Waste exactly, and where might I find it?

I looked at Necropolitans, but I'm not sure I want to give up that level, without getting a littlebit more in return, though I admit I haven't looked at them extensivly yet...
The_Shaman
04-01-07, 03:55 PM Crypt Spawn, Magic of Faerun. Dry lich is a very good option (yes, templates acquired through PrCs don't have LA), but it's limited to divine classes - and many of them have rather strong views against undead to begin with.
Crimson_Concerto
04-01-07, 04:08 PM I really have to recommend Necropolitans, because while you DO lose a level, it has no level adjustment, so you'll earn more experience, just like a lower-level character, and you'll soon be right on par with the group agian but with all the goodies of being undead.
obrysii
04-01-07, 04:12 PM hmm.... what is a Walker in the Waste exactly, and where might I find it?

From Sandstorm. It's a PrC devoted to the Waste. It's pretty nice.
vardock
04-01-07, 04:13 PM I agree with the necropolitian. just use a thought bottle to offset the level loss, with that you only lose 500xp.
mtrpcic
04-01-07, 04:35 PM If you take Necropolitan for the LA +0 but Level -1 (Effectively making it a LA +1), you can add another acquired template found in Libris Mortis.

I forget it's actual name, but it's something like "swarm monster" or something. Basically, you can turn your body into a swarm of a slew of things, including (but not limited to): spiders, rats, flies, body parts, sand, etc.

It's a LA +0 and can be applied to any corporeal undead I believe. So that can make up for the level loss. Use that in conjunction with a Though Bottle to lose only 500 XP and you're set.

PS: The sand swarm comes in very handy. You get a fly speed of 60 feet with perfect maneuverability.
Tetsubo
04-01-07, 04:59 PM There are the Eleti from Mythic Races. Though I think they have a +3 LA...
Corpsekin
04-01-07, 10:03 PM mumified creature(libris mortis) has a LA of +5 but its good for a fighter type, personly id go for the lich tho.
Crimson_Concerto
04-02-07, 12:43 AM If you take Necropolitan for the LA +0 but Level -1 (Effectively making it a LA +1)Actually, losing a level is nothing like having a +1 LA. With a +1 LA, you always stay a level below the party, but with a level loss, you'll be gaining more XP than the rest of the party, and so you will undoubtably soon catch up to their same level. It's definitely not effectively an LA +1.

I forget it's actual name, but it's something like "swarm monster" or something. Basically, you can turn your body into a swarm of a slew of things, including (but not limited to): spiders, rats, flies, body parts, sand, etc.

It's a LA +0 and can be applied to any corporeal undead I believe.Actually, the awarm creature has no LA, and by no LA, I don't mean an LA of +0, I mean no LA. In other words, the template is not playable, and PCs cannot select it.
Threefists
04-03-07, 09:59 AM At the risk of sounding like a broken record, if you have access to Dragon 313, it has 5 'dead' races, 4 Half-Undead Templates and a 'Death-Touched' race similar to the Aisamar and the Tiefling. If you don't have access to this, PM me and I'll speed the details of them to you.

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The_One_Who_Walks 04-01-07, 03:12 PM	ok, other than Lich and Vampire, are there any interesting sentient, independent (i.e., not/no longer spawn), copreal undead that a PC could realistically become by choice, during an ongoing campaign? Ideally not too powerful (both Lich and Vampire are FAR more powerful than I'm looking for), to aviod a big jump in ECL, as my DM wants to keep me more or less in line with the rest of the party the whole time. The character is a cleric, but leans just a bit more toward physical combat than your "typical" cleric... Anyway, any advice on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
obrysii 04-01-07, 03:15 PM	Dry Lich, accessed via the Walker in the Waste, has no LA (assumingly, at least if you go through the PrC to get to it). Necropolitans are an LA +0 undead, although the ritual to become one causes you to lose a level.
calronmoonflower 04-01-07, 03:18 PM	Corpse creature and skeleton creature from the Book of Vile Darkness should work.
The_One_Who_Walks 04-01-07, 03:24 PM	hmm.... what is a Walker in the Waste exactly, and where might I find it? I looked at Necropolitans, but I'm not sure I want to give up that level, without getting a littlebit more in return, though I admit I haven't looked at them extensivly yet...
The_Shaman 04-01-07, 03:55 PM	Crypt Spawn, Magic of Faerun. Dry lich is a very good option (yes, templates acquired through PrCs don't have LA), but it's limited to divine classes - and many of them have rather strong views against undead to begin with.
Crimson_Concerto 04-01-07, 04:08 PM	I really have to recommend Necropolitans, because while you DO lose a level, it has no level adjustment, so you'll earn more experience, just like a lower-level character, and you'll soon be right on par with the group agian but with all the goodies of being undead.
obrysii 04-01-07, 04:12 PM	hmm.... what is a Walker in the Waste exactly, and where might I find it? From Sandstorm. It's a PrC devoted to the Waste. It's pretty nice.
vardock 04-01-07, 04:13 PM	I agree with the necropolitian. just use a thought bottle to offset the level loss, with that you only lose 500xp.
mtrpcic 04-01-07, 04:35 PM	If you take Necropolitan for the LA +0 but Level -1 (Effectively making it a LA +1), you can add another acquired template found in Libris Mortis. I forget it's actual name, but it's something like "swarm monster" or something. Basically, you can turn your body into a swarm of a slew of things, including (but not limited to): spiders, rats, flies, body parts, sand, etc. It's a LA +0 and can be applied to any corporeal undead I believe. So that can make up for the level loss. Use that in conjunction with a Though Bottle to lose only 500 XP and you're set. PS: The sand swarm comes in very handy. You get a fly speed of 60 feet with perfect maneuverability.
Tetsubo 04-01-07, 04:59 PM	There are the Eleti from Mythic Races. Though I think they have a +3 LA...
Corpsekin 04-01-07, 10:03 PM	mumified creature(libris mortis) has a LA of +5 but its good for a fighter type, personly id go for the lich tho.
Crimson_Concerto 04-02-07, 12:43 AM	If you take Necropolitan for the LA +0 but Level -1 (Effectively making it a LA +1)Actually, losing a level is nothing like having a +1 LA. With a +1 LA, you always stay a level below the party, but with a level loss, you'll be gaining more XP than the rest of the party, and so you will undoubtably soon catch up to their same level. It's definitely not effectively an LA +1. I forget it's actual name, but it's something like "swarm monster" or something. Basically, you can turn your body into a swarm of a slew of things, including (but not limited to): spiders, rats, flies, body parts, sand, etc. It's a LA +0 and can be applied to any corporeal undead I believe.Actually, the awarm creature has no LA, and by no LA, I don't mean an LA of +0, I mean no LA. In other words, the template is not playable, and PCs cannot select it.
Threefists 04-03-07, 09:59 AM	At the risk of sounding like a broken record, if you have access to Dragon 313, it has 5 'dead' races, 4 Half-Undead Templates and a 'Death-Touched' race similar to the Aisamar and the Tiefling. If you don't have access to this, PM me and I'll speed the details of them to you.