Looking for LA 0 Race w/Int penalty [Archive] - Wizards Community

Looking for LA 0 Race w/Int penalty [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Vash_HS
05-24-07, 08:44 PM I'm looking for a race with an Int penalty (but no charisma penalty). It needs to be humanoid (or at the very least no anthropomorphic animals). I playing an Int 3 Sorcerer so the higher the Int penalty the better.
Johnny_Angel
05-24-07, 09:55 PM I think one of the elf varieties in Monster Manual 1 has an INT penatly. I think it's either the wild elf or the wood elf.
JulesCARV
05-24-07, 11:06 PM Both :). Wild elves have +2 dex, -2 int, and wood elves have +2 str, +2 dex, -2 con, and -2 int. Wild elves also have favored class: sorcerer.
Krusk
05-24-07, 11:22 PM put your lowest stat into int, playing elf with int penalty.

lets say your doing PB and you choose to keep it an 8. this drops it to 6. now take the flaw in unearthed arcana giving -2 to a stat for a total of 4.

closest i can think of.
zook1shoe666
05-28-07, 10:54 PM don't forgot the oh-so popular orc and half-orc
strenoth
05-29-07, 01:00 AM don't forgot the oh-so popular orc and half-orc

He did specify that he does NOT want a CHA penalty.

Hmm, does the feral template have a CHA penalty?
Jaxgaret
05-29-07, 12:49 PM Hmm, does the feral template have a CHA penalty?

IIRC it does not.

Also, it is LA+1 (or LA+2 by many people's reckoning).
Disciple_of_Juiblex
05-29-07, 03:57 PM According to this great source http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=697653 here are some options.

Duskling: +2 Con -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., totemist, fey (incarnum), magic of incarnum pg.10

Painted Elf: +2 Dex -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., druid, humanoid (elf), sandstorm pg.42

Wild Elf: +2 Dex -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., sorcerer, humanoid (elf), monster manual pg.104

Desert Half-Orc: +2 Con -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., barbarian, humanoid (human, orc), unearthed arcana pg.12

Hellbred (Body): +2 Con -2 Int, medium, 30 ft, hellbound (su), paladin, humanoid (hellbred), Fiendish Codex II pg.78

Neanderthal: +2 Str -2 Dex +2 Con -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., barbarian, humanoid (human), frostburn pg.36
Part-Human2
05-29-07, 08:18 PM Jungle Kobold, UA, Sorcerer as a favored class also.
Gabriel Knight52
05-30-07, 03:28 PM not mentioned yet:

Elf (Aquatic) +2 Dex, –2 Int, Fav Class Fighter
(MM p103)

:)
Harliquinn
05-30-07, 03:32 PM I playing an Int 3 Sorcerer so the higher the Int penalty the better.

Why? You are barely more intelligent than your common house cat. Your entire thought process is going to be based on survival instincts with little regard for your surroundings or friends. You likely will be unable to talk or communicate in anything but grunts and hand signals.
Vash_HS
05-30-07, 07:28 PM Why? You are barely more intelligent than your common house cat. Your entire thought process is going to be based on survival instincts with little regard for your surroundings or friends. You likely will be unable to talk or communicate in anything but grunts and hand signals.

That's why he's going to be a sorcerer. The familiar will be doing all the talking for the both of them (what the familiar starting with a int of 6 and going up from there).
Harliquinn
05-31-07, 09:39 AM That's why he's going to be a sorcerer. The familiar will be doing all the talking for the both of them (what the familiar starting with a int of 6 and going up from there).

I assume the familiar will be doing the spell calculations on area, points of origin, etc.? I wouldn't trust a 3 INT sorcerer to cast a fireball or any other AE spell and possibly not any single target spells either :) Guess it could be an interesting character, just not one I could envision making a contribution.

Harliquinn
AMGriffin
05-31-07, 09:51 AM Why? You are barely more intelligent than your common house cat. Your entire thought process is going to be based on survival instincts with little regard for your surroundings or friends. You likely will be unable to talk or communicate in anything but grunts and hand signals.

You sound like you're mixing low intelligence with low wisdom.

If his wisdom is pretty high then a low intelligence isn't going to cause much trouble.

I had an ogre with 18 Wisdom and 3 Intelligence...good times.
Captain_Kobold
05-31-07, 11:45 AM Nope. That sounds like the traits of low intelligence to me. A low wisdom would be a tendency to bump into easily overlooked objects like houses, easily distracted, and an inability to concentra. . . Ooh. Shiny.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't want someone with an ability of 3 in either ability throwing spells around. One is going to be unable to think tactically or dertermine whether to use a lightning bolt or magic missile. The other is likely to start throwing fireballs into the middle of combat, or take a couple of rounds to work out that there is a fight happening.

I'd like to think that the OP is doing it for an RP challenge with an interesting character.
However he appears to simply want to get the greatest advantage possible by exploiting the "No stat below three" rule.
Andyr
05-31-07, 03:19 PM IIRC painted elves (from Sandstorm) are also +2 DEX, -2 INT but I don't have that to hand.
Vash_HS
05-31-07, 06:44 PM Nope. That sounds like the traits of low intelligence to me. A low wisdom would be a tendency to bump into easily overlooked objects like houses, easily distracted, and an inability to concentra. . . Ooh. Shiny.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't want someone with an ability of 3 in either ability throwing spells around. One is going to be unable to think tactically or dertermine whether to use a lightning bolt or magic missile. The other is likely to start throwing fireballs into the middle of combat, or take a couple of rounds to work out that there is a fight happening.

I'd like to think that the OP is doing it for an RP challenge with an interesting character.
However he appears to simply want to get the greatest advantage possible by exploiting the "No stat below three" rule.

Actually a little of both. I'm doing it for the RP since it seemed like an interesting concept for a sorcerer (essentially he's a mobile weapon's platform for what will start out as a raven). Since race was kind of a non-factor I wanted to see what races would complement the build. In the end I think I'm going human (I get 2 skills points so I can go into a few PRCs) and get an extra feat (I typically go human which is why I was curious about what other races would bring to the concept).

BTW, thanks all for the suggestions. I may still take one of the elves just for having so a low Int elf (no one would even suspect it).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Vash_HS 05-24-07, 08:44 PM	I'm looking for a race with an Int penalty (but no charisma penalty). It needs to be humanoid (or at the very least no anthropomorphic animals). I playing an Int 3 Sorcerer so the higher the Int penalty the better.
Johnny_Angel 05-24-07, 09:55 PM	I think one of the elf varieties in Monster Manual 1 has an INT penatly. I think it's either the wild elf or the wood elf.
JulesCARV 05-24-07, 11:06 PM	Both :). Wild elves have +2 dex, -2 int, and wood elves have +2 str, +2 dex, -2 con, and -2 int. Wild elves also have favored class: sorcerer.
Krusk 05-24-07, 11:22 PM	put your lowest stat into int, playing elf with int penalty. lets say your doing PB and you choose to keep it an 8. this drops it to 6. now take the flaw in unearthed arcana giving -2 to a stat for a total of 4. closest i can think of.
zook1shoe666 05-28-07, 10:54 PM	don't forgot the oh-so popular orc and half-orc
strenoth 05-29-07, 01:00 AM	don't forgot the oh-so popular orc and half-orc He did specify that he does NOT want a CHA penalty. Hmm, does the feral template have a CHA penalty?
Jaxgaret 05-29-07, 12:49 PM	Hmm, does the feral template have a CHA penalty? IIRC it does not. Also, it is LA+1 (or LA+2 by many people's reckoning).
Disciple_of_Juiblex 05-29-07, 03:57 PM	According to this great source http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=697653 here are some options. Duskling: +2 Con -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., totemist, fey (incarnum), magic of incarnum pg.10 Painted Elf: +2 Dex -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., druid, humanoid (elf), sandstorm pg.42 Wild Elf: +2 Dex -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., sorcerer, humanoid (elf), monster manual pg.104 Desert Half-Orc: +2 Con -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., barbarian, humanoid (human, orc), unearthed arcana pg.12 Hellbred (Body): +2 Con -2 Int, medium, 30 ft, hellbound (su), paladin, humanoid (hellbred), Fiendish Codex II pg.78 Neanderthal: +2 Str -2 Dex +2 Con -2 Int, medium, 30 ft., barbarian, humanoid (human), frostburn pg.36
Part-Human2 05-29-07, 08:18 PM	Jungle Kobold, UA, Sorcerer as a favored class also.
Gabriel Knight52 05-30-07, 03:28 PM	not mentioned yet: Elf (Aquatic) +2 Dex, –2 Int, Fav Class Fighter (MM p103) :)
Harliquinn 05-30-07, 03:32 PM	I playing an Int 3 Sorcerer so the higher the Int penalty the better. Why? You are barely more intelligent than your common house cat. Your entire thought process is going to be based on survival instincts with little regard for your surroundings or friends. You likely will be unable to talk or communicate in anything but grunts and hand signals.
Vash_HS 05-30-07, 07:28 PM	Why? You are barely more intelligent than your common house cat. Your entire thought process is going to be based on survival instincts with little regard for your surroundings or friends. You likely will be unable to talk or communicate in anything but grunts and hand signals. That's why he's going to be a sorcerer. The familiar will be doing all the talking for the both of them (what the familiar starting with a int of 6 and going up from there).
Harliquinn 05-31-07, 09:39 AM	That's why he's going to be a sorcerer. The familiar will be doing all the talking for the both of them (what the familiar starting with a int of 6 and going up from there). I assume the familiar will be doing the spell calculations on area, points of origin, etc.? I wouldn't trust a 3 INT sorcerer to cast a fireball or any other AE spell and possibly not any single target spells either :) Guess it could be an interesting character, just not one I could envision making a contribution. Harliquinn
AMGriffin 05-31-07, 09:51 AM	Why? You are barely more intelligent than your common house cat. Your entire thought process is going to be based on survival instincts with little regard for your surroundings or friends. You likely will be unable to talk or communicate in anything but grunts and hand signals. You sound like you're mixing low intelligence with low wisdom. If his wisdom is pretty high then a low intelligence isn't going to cause much trouble. I had an ogre with 18 Wisdom and 3 Intelligence...good times.
Captain_Kobold 05-31-07, 11:45 AM	Nope. That sounds like the traits of low intelligence to me. A low wisdom would be a tendency to bump into easily overlooked objects like houses, easily distracted, and an inability to concentra. . . Ooh. Shiny. Quite frankly, I wouldn't want someone with an ability of 3 in either ability throwing spells around. One is going to be unable to think tactically or dertermine whether to use a lightning bolt or magic missile. The other is likely to start throwing fireballs into the middle of combat, or take a couple of rounds to work out that there is a fight happening. I'd like to think that the OP is doing it for an RP challenge with an interesting character. However he appears to simply want to get the greatest advantage possible by exploiting the "No stat below three" rule.
Andyr 05-31-07, 03:19 PM	IIRC painted elves (from Sandstorm) are also +2 DEX, -2 INT but I don't have that to hand.
Vash_HS 05-31-07, 06:44 PM	Nope. That sounds like the traits of low intelligence to me. A low wisdom would be a tendency to bump into easily overlooked objects like houses, easily distracted, and an inability to concentra. . . Ooh. Shiny. Quite frankly, I wouldn't want someone with an ability of 3 in either ability throwing spells around. One is going to be unable to think tactically or dertermine whether to use a lightning bolt or magic missile. The other is likely to start throwing fireballs into the middle of combat, or take a couple of rounds to work out that there is a fight happening. I'd like to think that the OP is doing it for an RP challenge with an interesting character. However he appears to simply want to get the greatest advantage possible by exploiting the "No stat below three" rule. Actually a little of both. I'm doing it for the RP since it seemed like an interesting concept for a sorcerer (essentially he's a mobile weapon's platform for what will start out as a raven). Since race was kind of a non-factor I wanted to see what races would complement the build. In the end I think I'm going human (I get 2 skills points so I can go into a few PRCs) and get an extra feat (I typically go human which is why I was curious about what other races would bring to the concept). BTW, thanks all for the suggestions. I may still take one of the elves just for having so a low Int elf (no one would even suspect it).