Post/Author/DateTime	Post
gellor 03-05-08, 02:31 PM	Hello, Can anyone point out a low HD, no/low LA playable monsterous race that would make a good cleric? Thanks
Damned slayer 03-05-08, 02:52 PM	Aasimar with the version of LA+0 tho it's humanoid it's the best I can think of
SilverFoxKnows 03-05-08, 03:18 PM	How' bout Goblins? No racial hit dice, no LA. The CHA penalty would hurt turn attempts but the small size and DEX bonus would boost your AC. 30' move and Darkvision is always nice. If you wear medium or heavy armor you could offset the move penalty by having a mount, they get a +4 to Ride checks.
Orchomenos 03-05-08, 03:44 PM	Exactly how monstrous do you want? The anthropomorphic bat from Savage Species has only one animal HD (replaced by first class level), +6 Wisdom, 5' land speed and 20' fly speed... And no level adjustment.
Nathreet 03-05-08, 04:02 PM	I checked every single core race, monster or otherwise. The only one with a bonus to any mental stat and no LA is the grey elf. +2 int, +2 dex, -2 con, -2 str. Try playing an old character from any race. Add on +2 wis, +2 int, +2 cha, -3 str, -3 con, -3 dex. I'd get one with a good physical stat bonus like a gnome or dwarf for con. That'll help offset the physical penalty. And even though the gnome has a str penalty most of his gear is lighter so you can actually carry more. Plus his small size gives a bonus to AC & AB, which helps offset the dex penalty. There you go, play an old gnome: +2 wis, +2 int, +2 cha, -5 str, -1 con, -3 dex. +1 AB, +1 AC.
gellor 03-05-08, 04:02 PM	Thanks all, this was great. Orchomenos's suggestion probably was the best match, it will be perfect. Again, thank you all for your help.
Nathreet 03-05-08, 04:03 PM	I don't think bats can cast spells with somatic components. Dunno if that race can talk either. Might want to get the still spell feat.
YamiShinobi 03-05-08, 04:21 PM	old undead elf (-1 dex con=n/a -3 str +2 int, wis and cha) (any intellegent undead works, get your hands on what is it called? Libris Mortis? heal yourself with inflict spells and your allies with cure spells.) i don't have libris mortis, but people mention plenty of it's material, summon an army of undead. use them as shields.
AZNsupermarket 03-06-08, 01:49 AM	Here are all your choices from WOTC published material for +0 LA races that get a bonus to wisdom: Anthropomorphic Bat: -4 Str +6 Wis -2 Cha, small, 5 ft. (fly 20 ft. average), blindsense (ex), druid, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.215 Anthropomorphic Lizard: -4 Str +2 Dex +4 Wis -4 Cha, small, 20 ft., druid, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.215 Anthropomorphic Monkey: -4 Str +2 Dex +4Wis -2 Cha, small, 30 ft., druid, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.215 Anthropomorphic Rat: -4 Str +2 Dex +4 Wis -4 Cha, small, 15 ft., rogue, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.215 Anthropomorphic Raven: -6 Str +2 Dex +4 Wis -4 Cha, small, 10 ft. (fly 30ft. poor), rogue, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.215 Anthropomorphic Toad: -4 Str -2 Dex +6 Wis -2 Cha, small, 5 ft., cleric, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.215 Anthropomorphic Weasel: -4 Str +2 Dex +4 Wis -4 Cha, small, 20 ft., attach (ex), druid, monstrous humanoid, savage species pg.215 Jermlaine: -6 Str +6 Dex -2 Con -2 Int +6 Wis -6 Cha, tiny, 40 ft., rogue, fey, monster manual 2 pg.131 Buomman: +2 Wis -2 Cha, medium, 30 ft., monk, humanoid (buomman, extraplanar), planar handbook pg.08 "Lesser" Aasimar: +2 Wis +2 Cha, medium, 30 ft., light (sp), paladin, humanoid (planetouched), player’s guide to faerun pg.191 Venerable Dragonwrought Kobold: -4 Str +2 Dex -2 Con +3 Int +3 Wis +3 Cha, small, 30 ft., sorcerer, dragon (kobold, reptilian, dragonblood), monter manual pg.161 and races of the dragon pg. 39 Vanara: -2 Str +2 Int +2 Wis, medium, 30 ft. climb 20 ft., spirit shaman, humanoid (vanara), oriental adventures pg.15 – Note: in a 3.5 oriental adventures update found in Dragon magazine, vanara were updated to no longer have any ability score adjustments. You can also add the Dragonborn of Bahamut pseudo-template without level adjustment to any of the races with a bonus to wis (beside the venerable dragonwrought kobold) and gain +2 con -2 dex, which stacks with your original ablity adjustments. That may be helpful for a lot of these, especially for the Buomman, who would RAW lose their vow of silence when they become a Dragonborn of Bahamut. Dragonborn: +2 Con -2 Dex, same as base creature, same as base creature, fighter and the base creatures, humanoid (dragonblood, same as base creature), races of the dragon pg.5 Other than that, you can just increase your age level and suffer the physical ability score penalties.
gellor 03-06-08, 08:42 PM	Thank you for taking the time to put that list together.
Screams 03-06-08, 09:02 PM	Take your basic good cleric and use the Feral template to make him Monsterous. + 2 wis +4 str, +2 Con in there also, -4 int and -2 Dex though. Alot of other interesting things there also ac bonus, speed increase more. LA +1 is all
AZNsupermarket 03-06-08, 10:31 PM	Thank you for taking the time to put that list together. No problem... I made that list a while ago and I just copy and paste it whenever this sort of topic comes up (it comes up surprisingly often).
Ogrebear 03-07-08, 08:54 AM	If you can put up with an LA of +1 the Grey Orcs work quite well with +2 Wisdom and other benifits. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030301a I am still not convinced they are LA +1 either....