Need help with new race. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Need help with new race. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Tadpole
06-06-07, 05:26 AM This is supposed to be Dragon-blooded Human, Draken (pronounced Drake-N) . I'll add more fluff after a get the basics.

- +2 Con, -2 Cha. Drakens are tough and shunned because of their frightful appearance.

-low-light vision.

-Powerful build. A Drakens physical stature lets him function in many ways as if he were large.

-Natural Armor+2. A Draken's scaled body is more durable than flesh.*

-Dragon Blood

*(not sure if it should just be a +1)

Ok I'm aiming for an LA 0 so please help. This is my first time attempting this.
ekeeb
06-06-07, 05:53 AM honestly i would get rid of the natural armor +2 and make it +1 and add darkvision, add +5 resistance to an energy type chosen by the player and determined by a race of dragon, and a +2 LA (it might work out as a more expensive race, but for the abilities it will even out)

also maybe making the powerful build ability into a racial feat that they can use.

Ekeeb :D
Tadpole
06-06-07, 06:07 AM Darkvision does sound better.

I'm trying to base it around the human so I figured

- +2 Con -2 Cha even out

-Powerful build = bonus feat

-Nat +2 = bonus skill points

-Not a choice of favored class(I'll give it a specific one when I decide) = Darkvision
Tadpole
06-06-07, 07:25 AM I think I might Mess around with different types of Draken. They all could end up with the same traits through feats, Wings(Fly 60' good manuv.), Tail( +2 Balance. Grapple, swim) Resilient scales(Nat +2). The player would start off with one as a free feat at first level and could take the others as racial feats. All Draken have wings and tails. Some just have not trained themselves to use them properly.
Peregrine_Wolf
06-06-07, 07:46 AM I think that if you put in what Ekeeb said, it would be a +2. If you add in to that what you said in your last post, maybe still a +2, but I'm thinking more of a +3. It would probably be better to just go with Half-Dragon. But this might be what your looking for.

Draken
- +2 Con, -2 Cha
- Darkvision 60ft.
- Choice of bonus feat: Powerful Build, Wings(60ft. good maneuv.), Tail(+2 Balance, Grapple, Swim), Thick Hide(+1 Natural armor, can be taken multiple times, effects stack). These feats can be taken as replacements for standard feats gained at levels 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18.....
- Dragon Blood(Draken count as dragons for racial purposes)
- +1(maybe 2) LA
Tadpole
06-06-07, 08:18 AM Would someone please explain to me ehy it needs a LA.

It has very few traits, even ability mods, and requires feats to have the all the uberness of the race.
Peregrine_Wolf
06-06-07, 08:23 AM It's not the ability mods that mess with the LA unless it goes beyond -2 to soemthing and +2 to soemthing.

It ahs to do with how many/useful the rest of the stuff is. Darkvision is pretty handy sometimes, and bonuses to things like grapple, AC, and skills is always a factor.

If you can find the thread with Yaba_the_What's feature pionts, that will give you an idea.

BTW, do you have Races of the Wild?
Ocom
06-06-07, 08:26 AM I like Peregrine_Wolf's idea.
But i doubt that it would have a level adjustment.
Tadpole
06-06-07, 08:32 AM I have access to the races of wild. My brother has it. Why?
Tadpole
06-06-07, 08:54 AM It's not the ability mods that mess with the LA unless it goes beyond -2 to soemthing and +2 to soemthing.

It ahs to do with how many/useful the rest of the stuff is. Darkvision is pretty handy sometimes, and bonuses to things like grapple, AC, and skills is always a factor.

If you can find the thread with Yaba_the_What's feature pionts, that will give you an idea.

BTW, do you have Races of the Wild?

To get more than one of the options you would have to take feats. I think that evens out.
Tadpole
06-06-07, 11:04 PM bump
Shadow1896
06-06-07, 11:23 PM it would do you good to look at a dracomancer prestige class but what peregrine wolf (hi again) said is true
Peregrine_Wolf
06-07-07, 09:22 AM I was asking about RotW because this class could be compared to Catfolk for LA.

I would post all the stats, but that would kidna defeat the purpose of the book so......
-Look at the ability mods, +6 total, no minuses. OK, that deserves LA
-LLV.......a lot of stuff has that, elves, dwarves?, and quite a few other playable races.
-Bonus skill points, I think almost every race has bonus skill points in a skill or two.
-Nat armor, More need for LA

All in all, I'd say Catfolk would be +1LA like the book says, though a strict DM might rule it as +2.

Bonus feats aren't too terribly great unless the really augment the gameplay of the race. Catfolk Pounce is a good example of a Racial feat that is useful, Lightfoot isn't as useful.

Anyways, that's how I view the situation. I would say +1 LA for Draken, but if the player is not such an optimizer, +0 works. It depends on the player with this one.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Tadpole 06-06-07, 05:26 AM	This is supposed to be Dragon-blooded Human, Draken (pronounced Drake-N) . I'll add more fluff after a get the basics. - +2 Con, -2 Cha. Drakens are tough and shunned because of their frightful appearance. -low-light vision. -Powerful build. A Drakens physical stature lets him function in many ways as if he were large. -Natural Armor+2. A Draken's scaled body is more durable than flesh.* -Dragon Blood *(not sure if it should just be a +1) Ok I'm aiming for an LA 0 so please help. This is my first time attempting this.
ekeeb 06-06-07, 05:53 AM	honestly i would get rid of the natural armor +2 and make it +1 and add darkvision, add +5 resistance to an energy type chosen by the player and determined by a race of dragon, and a +2 LA (it might work out as a more expensive race, but for the abilities it will even out) also maybe making the powerful build ability into a racial feat that they can use. Ekeeb :D
Tadpole 06-06-07, 06:07 AM	Darkvision does sound better. I'm trying to base it around the human so I figured - +2 Con -2 Cha even out -Powerful build = bonus feat -Nat +2 = bonus skill points -Not a choice of favored class(I'll give it a specific one when I decide) = Darkvision
Tadpole 06-06-07, 07:25 AM	I think I might Mess around with different types of Draken. They all could end up with the same traits through feats, Wings(Fly 60' good manuv.), Tail( +2 Balance. Grapple, swim) Resilient scales(Nat +2). The player would start off with one as a free feat at first level and could take the others as racial feats. All Draken have wings and tails. Some just have not trained themselves to use them properly.
Peregrine_Wolf 06-06-07, 07:46 AM	I think that if you put in what Ekeeb said, it would be a +2. If you add in to that what you said in your last post, maybe still a +2, but I'm thinking more of a +3. It would probably be better to just go with Half-Dragon. But this might be what your looking for. Draken - +2 Con, -2 Cha - Darkvision 60ft. - Choice of bonus feat: Powerful Build, Wings(60ft. good maneuv.), Tail(+2 Balance, Grapple, Swim), Thick Hide(+1 Natural armor, can be taken multiple times, effects stack). These feats can be taken as replacements for standard feats gained at levels 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18..... - Dragon Blood(Draken count as dragons for racial purposes) - +1(maybe 2) LA
Tadpole 06-06-07, 08:18 AM	Would someone please explain to me ehy it needs a LA. It has very few traits, even ability mods, and requires feats to have the all the uberness of the race.
Peregrine_Wolf 06-06-07, 08:23 AM	It's not the ability mods that mess with the LA unless it goes beyond -2 to soemthing and +2 to soemthing. It ahs to do with how many/useful the rest of the stuff is. Darkvision is pretty handy sometimes, and bonuses to things like grapple, AC, and skills is always a factor. If you can find the thread with Yaba_the_What's feature pionts, that will give you an idea. BTW, do you have Races of the Wild?
Ocom 06-06-07, 08:26 AM	I like Peregrine_Wolf's idea. But i doubt that it would have a level adjustment.
Tadpole 06-06-07, 08:32 AM	I have access to the races of wild. My brother has it. Why?
Tadpole 06-06-07, 08:54 AM	It's not the ability mods that mess with the LA unless it goes beyond -2 to soemthing and +2 to soemthing. It ahs to do with how many/useful the rest of the stuff is. Darkvision is pretty handy sometimes, and bonuses to things like grapple, AC, and skills is always a factor. If you can find the thread with Yaba_the_What's feature pionts, that will give you an idea. BTW, do you have Races of the Wild? To get more than one of the options you would have to take feats. I think that evens out.
Tadpole 06-06-07, 11:04 PM	bump
Shadow1896 06-06-07, 11:23 PM	it would do you good to look at a dracomancer prestige class but what peregrine wolf (hi again) said is true
Peregrine_Wolf 06-07-07, 09:22 AM	I was asking about RotW because this class could be compared to Catfolk for LA. I would post all the stats, but that would kidna defeat the purpose of the book so...... -Look at the ability mods, +6 total, no minuses. OK, that deserves LA -LLV.......a lot of stuff has that, elves, dwarves?, and quite a few other playable races. -Bonus skill points, I think almost every race has bonus skill points in a skill or two. -Nat armor, More need for LA All in all, I'd say Catfolk would be +1LA like the book says, though a strict DM might rule it as +2. Bonus feats aren't too terribly great unless the really augment the gameplay of the race. Catfolk Pounce is a good example of a Racial feat that is useful, Lightfoot isn't as useful. Anyways, that's how I view the situation. I would say +1 LA for Draken, but if the player is not such an optimizer, +0 works. It depends on the player with this one.