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Staciaholi 04-10-07, 03:01 AM	Out of curiosity, if a race is considered humanoid/monstrous humanoid on their home world, and they are suddenly thrust through use of magic into another Prime Material world, such as to Faerun, what happens with their type/subtype? I guess what I'm asking here is, if I'm native to my world, and tossed into another, am I considered an outsider, or subject to being sent to my home plane, banished, etc, affected by planar-damaging abilities and such, or nt subject to things like charm person, etc? I'm so confused. :confused:
calronmoonflower 04-10-07, 04:18 AM	They gain the extraplanar subtype when not on their home plane unless they are on a transitive plane. None of their other types or subtypes change. Extraplanar creature are vulnerable to Banishment and similar spells.
Staciaholi 04-10-07, 07:32 AM	Thanks a whole lot, are there any references to that for further info?
calronmoonflower 04-11-07, 01:35 AM	The Monster Manual has definitions of types and abilities in the back.
Shemeska the Marauder 04-12-07, 04:52 AM	If a creature native to one prime material world is suddenly transported to another prime material world (say from Toril to Krynn), nothing changes. They're still on prime material plane, just a different world within it. They're not outsiders, not extraplanar, and no stats change. You can't be banished either because you're still on the same plane that you're native to.
Steely_Dan 04-12-07, 04:55 AM	If a creature native to one prime material world is suddenly transported to another prime material world (say from Toril to Krynn), nothing changes. They're still on prime material plane, just a different world within it. They're not outsiders, not extraplanar, and no stats change. You can't be banished either because you're still on the same plane that you're native to. Ah, but this is according to the 2nd edition/Planescape (the good one) cosmology. In 3rd edition, every Prime Material world is on its own Material plane and you may only travel from one world to another via The Plane of Shadow.
Shemeska the Marauder 04-12-07, 07:08 AM	Ah, but this is according to the 2nd edition/Planescape (the good one) cosmology. In 3rd edition, every Prime Material world is on its own Material plane and you may only travel from one world to another via The Plane of Shadow. Not really. Some very early 3e products will refer to seperate worlds as seperate prime material planes, but others don't, and more recent material tends to drop that (incredibly awkward) notion. The prime material containing multiple planets/worlds in the same plane has been referred to multiple times, in such places as Lords of Madness, Dungeon magazine, Fiendish Codex I, and others. However using Shadow to move between them rather than by using such methods as spelljamming remains an option, but those various worlds are still clearly on the same plane, just remote portions of it.
Zumarai 04-12-07, 07:24 AM	1.) The prime material containing multiple planets/worlds in the same plane has been referred to multiple times, in such places as Lords of Madness, Dungeon magazine, Fiendish Codex I, and others. 2.) However using Shadow to move between them rather than by using such methods as spelljamming remains an option, but those various worlds are still clearly on the same plane, just remote portions of it. 1.) And what about Eberron not being part of the Great Wheel? Does this mean that Toril and Eberron are on the same Material Plane, but each have their own cosmology attached to their particular planet? 2.) How do the Astral and Ethereal figure into this?
Shemeska the Marauder 04-12-07, 11:52 AM	1.) And what about Eberron not being part of the Great Wheel? Does this mean that Toril and Eberron are on the same Material Plane, but each have their own cosmology attached to their particular planet? Eberron is part of a completely different multiverse/cosmology. It was never within the Great Wheel, and indeed was intentionally created within its own seperate multiverse. The same cannot be said about Greyhawk/Oerth, FR/Toril, Darksun/Athas, Dragonlance/Krynn, Ortho, Falx, any of the dozens of worlds described in Spelljammer, etc which were all explicitely part of the same prime material plane (though FR claims to be retroactively seperated in 3e, but other official 3e sources don't consider it seperated). I'm talking about those worlds that are part of the same multiverse, sharing cosmologies. Eberron is something else entirely. 2.) How do the Astral and Ethereal figure into this? What do you mean how do the Astral and Ethereal figure into it? The same Astral and same Ethereal connect to the prime material. Swimming through the Ethereal it's possible to cross between the worlds of the prime, crossing from one world's border ethereal into the ethereal deep and then back to another world's border ethereal. The Astral is out there as well, but it doesn't have the same notion of space, or any differences that would correspond to any "overlap" with the prime or anywhere else that it touches (indeed it's defined as more a dimensionless backstage underlying many planes than a true space unto its own with specific correspondance like the ethereal does with the distinction between border and deep ethereal).
Zumarai 04-13-07, 07:16 AM	Eberron is part of a completely different multiverse/cosmology. It was never within the Great Wheel, and indeed was intentionally created within its own seperate multiverse. The same cannot be said about Greyhawk/Oerth, FR/Toril, Darksun/Athas, Dragonlance/Krynn, Ortho, Falx, any of the dozens of worlds described in Spelljammer, etc which were all explicitely part of the same prime material plane Athas (Dark Sun) is up for debate as to whether it is part of the Planescape/Spelljammer cosmology. In the 2nd edition Dark Sun product Dragon Kings it explicitly notes that Athas lies on an Alternate Prime Material Plane. In the product Earth, Air, Fire and Water it notes that Athas may have its own Inner (elemental planes) Planes and many other non-standard para/quasi planes (rain, silt, sun etc), or maybe Athasians just view/experience them differently (I know – vague). In the Complete Spacefarer's Handbook, it explains that there is no way to reach Athas via Spelljamming, and stated it could be due to it being in an Alternate Material plane or in a sealed crystal sphere. And then you had the module where the githyanki broke through into Athas via the Astral. I myself just place Athas in a sealed crystal sphere within the Material Plane/Planescape/Spelljammer cosmology.
Shemeska the Marauder 04-13-07, 10:43 AM	I myself just place Athas in a sealed crystal sphere within the Material Plane/Planescape/Spelljammer cosmology. Same here with me. It's certainly remote, and the planar connections are affected by the presence of the Gray (however you wish to define it), but given the presence of refugees from the Tablelands in Sigil (the New Tyr district), some explicitely Athasian descended creatures in the PSMC III, and a few other things, I can't see it as being anything but part of the Great Wheel.
Zumarai 04-13-07, 11:01 AM	It's certainly remote, and the planar connections are affected by the presence of the Gray Which is the Athasian name for the Ethereal, the Black being their term for The Plane of Shadow.