Playable Ettin [Archive] - Wizards Community

Playable Ettin [Archive] - Wizards Community

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B28
10-04-07, 06:13 PM Hello. Ettins are my favorite monsters and I think it would be really cool to play one. Problem is, their ECL is 15. I would like to play one, not full power of course, at lower levels. I was thinking of adding the multi-headed template from Savage Species to the ogre progression from the same book. It would have an 5 ECL though, and it wouldn't really be an ettin. Can any one help me out?
INeedNoSalt
10-04-07, 06:22 PM 'it wouldn't really be an ettin' -- but that's really all in how you describe it, isn't it?

Two-headed ogre or ettin runt?
Borris
10-04-07, 11:00 PM Just so you know, such a creature would have an ECL of 8. 4 HD and +2 LA for the ogre, and an additionnal +2 for the extra head.

Instead, you might want to try (and maybe that's what you mean) a two-headed half-ogre. That would indeed be an ECL 5 character. 1 class level +2 LA for the half-ogre and another +2 for the two-headed template. I guess it could easily pass as a half-ettin, twisted as that character concept may be.
B28
10-05-07, 06:59 AM I don't think so Borris. The multi-headed template also adds two more racial hit die on top of the +2 level adjustment. Also I would use the ogre class in Savage Species where I could start level 1 and gain more of the ogre's power as I level but wouldn't have a class. I do like your idea for the half-ettin. It gives me another option so thank you.
runestar
10-05-07, 07:35 AM Ruins of greyhawk has rules for creating a veerbeg, supposedly some sort of half-ogre variant with 2 heads. You could consider using that as a base. The downside is that the extra head does really do anything (it simply has slightly different stats).
Angel Black
10-05-07, 09:33 AM Hello. Ettins are my favorite monsters and I think it would be really cool to play one. Problem is, their ECL is 15. I would like to play one, not full power of course, at lower levels. I was thinking of adding the multi-headed template from Savage Species to the ogre progression from the same book. It would have an 5 ECL though, and it wouldn't really be an ettin. Can any one help me out?

Just choose the things you like the most about ettins and then try to pick up a few features that look like or are the same than those you want.

Quick draft -Ettin:

step 1- choosing traits

- Large Giant
- Some natural armor
- Heads grant +2 bonus to listen,spot and search
- Heads grant a superior two-weapon fighting like feature
- Low-light vision.
- some giant HD levels (just to balance the thing)

step 2- how much room do I have ?

5 is fairlygood, Ogres got 6,so 5 seems ok, in fact i would take Ogre as a template.Maybe I have to modify superior two weapon fighting a little:

"Lesser ettin" TWF - You get two weapon Fighting Feat, and +1 attack and damage bonus when attacking with two weapons.

step 3- The Ettin (First Draft-Ogre Like)

* +10 Strength, -2 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, -4 Intelligence, -2 wisdom, -2 Charisma.
* Large size. -1 penalty to Armor Class, -1 penalty on attack rolls, -4 penalty on Hide checks, +4 bonus on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits double those of Medium characters.
* Space/Reach: 10 feet/10 feet.
* An Ettin’s base land speed is 40 feet.
* Low-light vision
* Racial Hit Dice: An Ettin begins with four levels of giant, which provide 4d8 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +3, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +4, Ref +1, and Will +1.
* Racial Skills: An Ettin’s giant levels give it skill points equal to 7 × (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1). Its class skills are Climb, Listen, and Spot.
* Racial Feats: An Ettin’s giant levels give it two feats.
* Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An Ettin is automatically proficient with the javelin and the Morning Star.
* +2 bonus to listen,spot and search.
* "Lesser ettin" TWF ( two weapon Fighting Feat, and +1 attack and damage bonus when attacking with two weapons).
* +4 natural armor bonus.
* Automatic Languages: Common, Giant. Bonus Languages: Dwarven, Orc, Goblin, Terran.
* Favored Class: Giant(skills:Listen,search and spot)
* Level adjustment +1.
Daemyn
10-06-07, 02:28 AM Just make it very interesting and have two players run that character. Each round they role a will check versus one another and which ever one wins or beats the others score get to handle the "ettin" for that round.
That is a sure way to make things very screwy!!!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
B28 10-04-07, 06:13 PM	Hello. Ettins are my favorite monsters and I think it would be really cool to play one. Problem is, their ECL is 15. I would like to play one, not full power of course, at lower levels. I was thinking of adding the multi-headed template from Savage Species to the ogre progression from the same book. It would have an 5 ECL though, and it wouldn't really be an ettin. Can any one help me out?
INeedNoSalt 10-04-07, 06:22 PM	'it wouldn't really be an ettin' -- but that's really all in how you describe it, isn't it? Two-headed ogre or ettin runt?
Borris 10-04-07, 11:00 PM	Just so you know, such a creature would have an ECL of 8. 4 HD and +2 LA for the ogre, and an additionnal +2 for the extra head. Instead, you might want to try (and maybe that's what you mean) a two-headed half-ogre. That would indeed be an ECL 5 character. 1 class level +2 LA for the half-ogre and another +2 for the two-headed template. I guess it could easily pass as a half-ettin, twisted as that character concept may be.
B28 10-05-07, 06:59 AM	I don't think so Borris. The multi-headed template also adds two more racial hit die on top of the +2 level adjustment. Also I would use the ogre class in Savage Species where I could start level 1 and gain more of the ogre's power as I level but wouldn't have a class. I do like your idea for the half-ettin. It gives me another option so thank you.
runestar 10-05-07, 07:35 AM	Ruins of greyhawk has rules for creating a veerbeg, supposedly some sort of half-ogre variant with 2 heads. You could consider using that as a base. The downside is that the extra head does really do anything (it simply has slightly different stats).
Angel Black 10-05-07, 09:33 AM	Hello. Ettins are my favorite monsters and I think it would be really cool to play one. Problem is, their ECL is 15. I would like to play one, not full power of course, at lower levels. I was thinking of adding the multi-headed template from Savage Species to the ogre progression from the same book. It would have an 5 ECL though, and it wouldn't really be an ettin. Can any one help me out? Just choose the things you like the most about ettins and then try to pick up a few features that look like or are the same than those you want. Quick draft -Ettin: step 1- choosing traits - Large Giant - Some natural armor - Heads grant +2 bonus to listen,spot and search - Heads grant a superior two-weapon fighting like feature - Low-light vision. - some giant HD levels (just to balance the thing) step 2- how much room do I have ? 5 is fairlygood, Ogres got 6,so 5 seems ok, in fact i would take Ogre as a template.Maybe I have to modify superior two weapon fighting a little: "Lesser ettin" TWF - You get two weapon Fighting Feat, and +1 attack and damage bonus when attacking with two weapons. step 3- The Ettin (First Draft-Ogre Like) * +10 Strength, -2 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, -4 Intelligence, -2 wisdom, -2 Charisma. * Large size. -1 penalty to Armor Class, -1 penalty on attack rolls, -4 penalty on Hide checks, +4 bonus on grapple checks, lifting and carrying limits double those of Medium characters. * Space/Reach: 10 feet/10 feet. * An Ettin’s base land speed is 40 feet. * Low-light vision * Racial Hit Dice: An Ettin begins with four levels of giant, which provide 4d8 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +3, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +4, Ref +1, and Will +1. * Racial Skills: An Ettin’s giant levels give it skill points equal to 7 × (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1). Its class skills are Climb, Listen, and Spot. * Racial Feats: An Ettin’s giant levels give it two feats. * Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An Ettin is automatically proficient with the javelin and the Morning Star. * +2 bonus to listen,spot and search. * "Lesser ettin" TWF ( two weapon Fighting Feat, and +1 attack and damage bonus when attacking with two weapons). * +4 natural armor bonus. * Automatic Languages: Common, Giant. Bonus Languages: Dwarven, Orc, Goblin, Terran. * Favored Class: Giant(skills:Listen,search and spot) * Level adjustment +1.
Daemyn 10-06-07, 02:28 AM	Just make it very interesting and have two players run that character. Each round they role a will check versus one another and which ever one wins or beats the others score get to handle the "ettin" for that round. That is a sure way to make things very screwy!!!