POWERFUL FISTS [Archive] - Wizards Community

POWERFUL FISTS [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Majick
06-06-07, 07:12 AM Does Powerful Build mean you can use your FISTS as one size larger than your actual size should allow?

I don't know about this, just a question :D
TamianTheRanger
06-06-07, 07:21 AM Does Powerful Build mean you can use your FISTS as one size larger than your actual size should allow?

I don't know about this, just a question :D

dont think so but if you wanted and the dm let you sure although u would look quite commical :fight!: :lop: :monk: :elf: :mage:
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 07:27 AM Powerful build or Monkey Grip do not increase your unarmed damage.

For that, take:

Improved Natural Attack
Empty Hand Mastery
Majick
06-06-07, 07:45 AM empty hand mastery?
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 07:52 AM empty hand mastery?

It's a martial art style from OA (not a feat).

Basically, if you have specific feats, and ranks in specific skills, your unarmed damage is increased as if you were one size larger.
Majick
06-06-07, 09:41 AM Does that stack wih Improved Natural Attack?
acstrife
06-06-07, 09:43 AM I believe they do...I would have to check to make sure.
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 09:53 AM Does that stack wih Improved Natural Attack?

I believe it does, so get enlarged as well and get ready to deal gargantuan unarmed strike monk damage.

What about a fanged ring…
Majick
06-06-07, 09:53 AM OA = Oriental Adventures? Isn't that a non-official source book though?
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 10:09 AM OA = Oriental Adventures? Isn't that a non-official source book though?

Nope, it is a 3.0 D&D WotC book.
Majick
06-06-07, 10:14 AM Holy god damage machine yo!

Improved Natural Attack (feat)
Superior Unarmed Strike (feat)
Empty Handed Mastery (style?)
Monk's Belt (item)
Amulet of Mighty Fists (item)

&

Fanged Ring?
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 10:27 AM Superior Unarmed Strike (feat)
Monk's Belt (item)

If you are going single class monk these are a waste at higher levels.
Majick
06-06-07, 10:40 AM Dude, at 11th level you can qualify for Kensai, no one needs to go any higher than that

Medium Monk at 11th level
damage: 1d10

add Monk's Belt
damage: 2d8

add Superior Unarmed Strike
damage: 2d10

add Improved Natural Attack
damage: 4d8

add Empty Hand Mastery
damage: 6d8
(or 5d8 depending on interpretation, to me it says 6d6 as 2d10 turns into 4d8 from medium to large Monks)

add Amulet of Might Fists
damage: 6d8 + 1 to 5 (also +1 to 5 on 'to hit' rolls)

add 5 Kensai levels (+5 fists)
final damage: Theoretical 6d8 +10 (+strength) with a +10 'to hit'

And this works??? :eek:

And what in god's name does the Fanged Ring do?
Einvaldurinn_mikli
06-06-07, 10:43 AM Dude, at 11th level you can qualify for Kensai, no one needs to go any higher than that

Medium Monk at 11th level
damage: 1d10

add Monk's Belt
damage: 2d8

add Superior Unarmed Strike
damage: 2d10

add Improved Natural Attack
damage: 4d8

add Empty Hand Mastery
damage: 6d8
(or 5d8 depending on interpretation, to me it says 6d6 as 2d10 turns into 4d8 from medium to large Monks)

add Amulet of Might Fists
damage: 6d8 + 1 to 5 (also +1 to 5 on 'to hit' rolls)

add 5 Kensai levels (+5 fists)
final damage: Theoretical 6d8 +10 (+strength) with a +10 'to hit'

And this works??? :eek:

And what in god's name does the Fanged Ring do?

The Kensai ability wouldn't stack with the Amulet of Mighty fists, both are enhancement bonuses. Also, even if it did, this is an average of 37+ STR per hit. That is a pittance at level 20.(Or any level above 13 or so.)
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 10:49 AM Dude, at 11th level you can qualify for Kensai, no one needs to go any higher than that

Medium Monk at 11th level
damage: 1d10

add Monk's Belt
damage: 2d8

add Superior Unarmed Strike
damage: 2d10

add Improved Natural Attack
damage: 4d8

add Empty Hand Mastery
damage: 6d8
(or 5d8 depending on interpretation, to me it says 6d6 as 2d10 turns into 4d8 from medium to large Monks)

add Amulet of Might Fists
damage: 6d8 + 1 to 5 (also +1 to 5 on 'to hit' rolls)

add 5 Kensai levels (+5 fists)
final damage: Theoretical 6d8 +10 (+strength) with a +10 'to hit'

And this works??? :eek:

And what in god's name does the Fanged Ring do?

And grab Vow of Poverty while you're at it…

The fanged ring also ups your unarmed damage by one size category, I believe.

Can your unarmed strike be considered for Ancestral Weapon?
Majick
06-06-07, 10:51 AM Hahaha! There was a post about this an i believe yes your fists can be Ancestral Weapons! XP
Phantomcrossing
06-06-07, 10:52 AM Greater Unarmed Strike from Tome of Battle gives you a limited unarmed damage progression.
Majick
06-06-07, 10:54 AM Greater Unarmed Strike? I have Tome of Battle and i've never seen that feat :confused:
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 10:56 AM Greater Unarmed Strike from Tome of Battle gives you a limited unarmed damage progression.

That's Superior Unarmed Strike, and we've already covered it.
Majick
06-06-07, 10:59 AM Just a thought

Anybody considered going one level of monk then taking Ascetic Monk, then simply going the rest of the levels in something else like, let's say Rogue, then simply jumping on someone, grappling them, then doing the above mentioned obscene amounts of damage as well as sneak attack?

just a thought :rolleyes:
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 11:00 AM Hahaha! There was a post about this an i believe yes your fists can be Ancestral Weapons! XP

Are you serious – ha ha!

'I inherited these mits from my great grand pappy.'
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 11:01 AM Just a thought

Anybody considered going one level of monk then taking Ascetic Monk, then simply going the rest of the levels in something else like, let's say Rogue, then simply jumping on someone, grappling them, then doing the above mentioned obscene amounts of damage as well as sneak attack?

Also monk/scout and a sparring dummy of the masters can go a long way.
Majick
06-06-07, 11:03 AM Are you serious – ha ha!

'I inherited these mits from my great grand pappy.'

Damn right! Also <.<

Sparring Dummy of the Master?

Sweet Zombie Jebus, what next!?
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 11:13 AM Sparring Dummy of the Master?

It is a magic item from the A&EG (what my friends and me refer to as We Were Really High When We Wrote This Guide), that lets a monk train with it for a month or so, and then you make a check and if you succeed you may now take a 10 ft. step instead of 5 ft.
Majick
06-06-07, 11:20 AM 10ft you say? That's awesome tactically speaking

Also, i was just thinking on a build

1st level Monk/ 2nd to 11th levels in Scout or Rogue/ 12th to 15th in Kensai/ the rest in whatever you chose

Monk damage

Sneak or skirmish damage

The 4 levels in Kensai are so you can get +1 (required before anything else as per magic item creation) then the +3 enchantment from Tome of Magic that makes it so your weapon ignores ALL damage reductions (which as we know can be a monks bane not being able to change the damage he does!)

Weeeeeee-heeee-heee! Monk's are the shiznit!
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 11:37 AM 18th level thri-kreen monk (2 monstrous humanoid HD) with Greater Multi-Weapon Fighting, Multiattack and a 10 Str:

Full Attack: Flurry of blows +13/+13/+13/+8/+3 and unarmed strike +13/+8/+3 and unarmed strike +13/+8/+3 and unarmed strike +13/+8/+3 and bite +13

15 attacks per round.
Majick
06-06-07, 11:41 AM Does multi-attack work with monks with more arms? Really? Does that mean two-weapon fighting does too?
NoldorForce
06-06-07, 11:42 AM The Fanged Ring won't do anything additional, considering that the latest version (Dragon Magic) grants Improved Unarmed Strike and Improved Natural Attack (Unarmed Strike) as bonus feats.

I've managed to get a character up to 192d6 before, though it required a number of spells to pull off. And Initiate of the Draconic Mysteries levels.
Steely_Dan
06-06-07, 11:47 AM Does multi-attack work with monks with more arms? Really? Does that mean two-weapon fighting does too?

Multi-Weapon Fighting is the equivalent of Two-Weapon Fighting for creatures with more than 2 arms.

Multiattack just lowers the –5 penalty for secondary natural attacks to –2.

And yes, Two-Weapon Fighting stacks with flurry of blows.
tiluvias99
06-06-07, 02:04 PM Ah, it's always so funny when someone on the regular boards "discovers" something the CharOP boards already did.

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=332596

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=332596

http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-316793

http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-707216

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=702263

I think the last one got 384d8 base damage per unarmed strike.
Darth Sephiroth
06-06-07, 07:01 PM By Monk level 10 you can theoretically have a level 20 Monks unarmed strike with Gauntlets of the Talon and a Monks Belt.

Add some of the other items and you can do some serious damage, and since the Gauntlets of the Claw are still Gauntlets they can theoretically be enchanted.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Majick 06-06-07, 07:12 AM	Does Powerful Build mean you can use your FISTS as one size larger than your actual size should allow? I don't know about this, just a question :D
TamianTheRanger 06-06-07, 07:21 AM	Does Powerful Build mean you can use your FISTS as one size larger than your actual size should allow? I don't know about this, just a question :D dont think so but if you wanted and the dm let you sure although u would look quite commical :fight!: :lop: :monk: :elf: :mage:
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 07:27 AM	Powerful build or Monkey Grip do not increase your unarmed damage. For that, take: Improved Natural Attack Empty Hand Mastery
Majick 06-06-07, 07:45 AM	empty hand mastery?
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 07:52 AM	empty hand mastery? It's a martial art style from OA (not a feat). Basically, if you have specific feats, and ranks in specific skills, your unarmed damage is increased as if you were one size larger.
Majick 06-06-07, 09:41 AM	Does that stack wih Improved Natural Attack?
acstrife 06-06-07, 09:43 AM	I believe they do...I would have to check to make sure.
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 09:53 AM	Does that stack wih Improved Natural Attack? I believe it does, so get enlarged as well and get ready to deal gargantuan unarmed strike monk damage. What about a fanged ring…
Majick 06-06-07, 09:53 AM	OA = Oriental Adventures? Isn't that a non-official source book though?
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 10:09 AM	OA = Oriental Adventures? Isn't that a non-official source book though? Nope, it is a 3.0 D&D WotC book.
Majick 06-06-07, 10:14 AM	Holy god damage machine yo! Improved Natural Attack (feat) Superior Unarmed Strike (feat) Empty Handed Mastery (style?) Monk's Belt (item) Amulet of Mighty Fists (item) & Fanged Ring?
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 10:27 AM	Superior Unarmed Strike (feat) Monk's Belt (item) If you are going single class monk these are a waste at higher levels.
Majick 06-06-07, 10:40 AM	Dude, at 11th level you can qualify for Kensai, no one needs to go any higher than that Medium Monk at 11th level damage: 1d10 add Monk's Belt damage: 2d8 add Superior Unarmed Strike damage: 2d10 add Improved Natural Attack damage: 4d8 add Empty Hand Mastery damage: 6d8 (or 5d8 depending on interpretation, to me it says 6d6 as 2d10 turns into 4d8 from medium to large Monks) add Amulet of Might Fists damage: 6d8 + 1 to 5 (also +1 to 5 on 'to hit' rolls) add 5 Kensai levels (+5 fists) final damage: Theoretical 6d8 +10 (+strength) with a +10 'to hit' And this works??? :eek: And what in god's name does the Fanged Ring do?
Einvaldurinn_mikli 06-06-07, 10:43 AM	Dude, at 11th level you can qualify for Kensai, no one needs to go any higher than that Medium Monk at 11th level damage: 1d10 add Monk's Belt damage: 2d8 add Superior Unarmed Strike damage: 2d10 add Improved Natural Attack damage: 4d8 add Empty Hand Mastery damage: 6d8 (or 5d8 depending on interpretation, to me it says 6d6 as 2d10 turns into 4d8 from medium to large Monks) add Amulet of Might Fists damage: 6d8 + 1 to 5 (also +1 to 5 on 'to hit' rolls) add 5 Kensai levels (+5 fists) final damage: Theoretical 6d8 +10 (+strength) with a +10 'to hit' And this works??? :eek: And what in god's name does the Fanged Ring do? The Kensai ability wouldn't stack with the Amulet of Mighty fists, both are enhancement bonuses. Also, even if it did, this is an average of 37+ STR per hit. That is a pittance at level 20.(Or any level above 13 or so.)
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 10:49 AM	Dude, at 11th level you can qualify for Kensai, no one needs to go any higher than that Medium Monk at 11th level damage: 1d10 add Monk's Belt damage: 2d8 add Superior Unarmed Strike damage: 2d10 add Improved Natural Attack damage: 4d8 add Empty Hand Mastery damage: 6d8 (or 5d8 depending on interpretation, to me it says 6d6 as 2d10 turns into 4d8 from medium to large Monks) add Amulet of Might Fists damage: 6d8 + 1 to 5 (also +1 to 5 on 'to hit' rolls) add 5 Kensai levels (+5 fists) final damage: Theoretical 6d8 +10 (+strength) with a +10 'to hit' And this works??? :eek: And what in god's name does the Fanged Ring do? And grab Vow of Poverty while you're at it… The fanged ring also ups your unarmed damage by one size category, I believe. Can your unarmed strike be considered for Ancestral Weapon?
Majick 06-06-07, 10:51 AM	Hahaha! There was a post about this an i believe yes your fists can be Ancestral Weapons! XP
Phantomcrossing 06-06-07, 10:52 AM	Greater Unarmed Strike from Tome of Battle gives you a limited unarmed damage progression.
Majick 06-06-07, 10:54 AM	Greater Unarmed Strike? I have Tome of Battle and i've never seen that feat :confused:
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 10:56 AM	Greater Unarmed Strike from Tome of Battle gives you a limited unarmed damage progression. That's Superior Unarmed Strike, and we've already covered it.
Majick 06-06-07, 10:59 AM	Just a thought Anybody considered going one level of monk then taking Ascetic Monk, then simply going the rest of the levels in something else like, let's say Rogue, then simply jumping on someone, grappling them, then doing the above mentioned obscene amounts of damage as well as sneak attack? just a thought :rolleyes:
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 11:00 AM	Hahaha! There was a post about this an i believe yes your fists can be Ancestral Weapons! XP Are you serious – ha ha! 'I inherited these mits from my great grand pappy.'
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 11:01 AM	Just a thought Anybody considered going one level of monk then taking Ascetic Monk, then simply going the rest of the levels in something else like, let's say Rogue, then simply jumping on someone, grappling them, then doing the above mentioned obscene amounts of damage as well as sneak attack? Also monk/scout and a sparring dummy of the masters can go a long way.
Majick 06-06-07, 11:03 AM	Are you serious – ha ha! 'I inherited these mits from my great grand pappy.' Damn right! Also <.< Sparring Dummy of the Master? Sweet Zombie Jebus, what next!?
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 11:13 AM	Sparring Dummy of the Master? It is a magic item from the A&EG (what my friends and me refer to as We Were Really High When We Wrote This Guide), that lets a monk train with it for a month or so, and then you make a check and if you succeed you may now take a 10 ft. step instead of 5 ft.
Majick 06-06-07, 11:20 AM	10ft you say? That's awesome tactically speaking Also, i was just thinking on a build 1st level Monk/ 2nd to 11th levels in Scout or Rogue/ 12th to 15th in Kensai/ the rest in whatever you chose Monk damage Sneak or skirmish damage The 4 levels in Kensai are so you can get +1 (required before anything else as per magic item creation) then the +3 enchantment from Tome of Magic that makes it so your weapon ignores ALL damage reductions (which as we know can be a monks bane not being able to change the damage he does!) Weeeeeee-heeee-heee! Monk's are the shiznit!
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 11:37 AM	18th level thri-kreen monk (2 monstrous humanoid HD) with Greater Multi-Weapon Fighting, Multiattack and a 10 Str: Full Attack: Flurry of blows +13/+13/+13/+8/+3 and unarmed strike +13/+8/+3 and unarmed strike +13/+8/+3 and unarmed strike +13/+8/+3 and bite +13 15 attacks per round.
Majick 06-06-07, 11:41 AM	Does multi-attack work with monks with more arms? Really? Does that mean two-weapon fighting does too?
NoldorForce 06-06-07, 11:42 AM	The Fanged Ring won't do anything additional, considering that the latest version (Dragon Magic) grants Improved Unarmed Strike and Improved Natural Attack (Unarmed Strike) as bonus feats. I've managed to get a character up to 192d6 before, though it required a number of spells to pull off. And Initiate of the Draconic Mysteries levels.
Steely_Dan 06-06-07, 11:47 AM	Does multi-attack work with monks with more arms? Really? Does that mean two-weapon fighting does too? Multi-Weapon Fighting is the equivalent of Two-Weapon Fighting for creatures with more than 2 arms. Multiattack just lowers the –5 penalty for secondary natural attacks to –2. And yes, Two-Weapon Fighting stacks with flurry of blows.
tiluvias99 06-06-07, 02:04 PM	Ah, it's always so funny when someone on the regular boards "discovers" something the CharOP boards already did. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=332596 http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=332596 http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-316793 http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-707216 http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=702263 I think the last one got 384d8 base damage per unarmed strike.
Darth Sephiroth 06-06-07, 07:01 PM	By Monk level 10 you can theoretically have a level 20 Monks unarmed strike with Gauntlets of the Talon and a Monks Belt. Add some of the other items and you can do some serious damage, and since the Gauntlets of the Claw are still Gauntlets they can theoretically be enchanted.