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Mayssyn 07-07-07, 03:08 AM	I apologize, but I simply could not find a thread related to this topic to save my life. I'm one to absolutely love genetics, especially that of the races of D&D, so I just had to ask out of my curiosity... ... what would the product be of a half-elven parent and a half-drow parent? I know it's said that a half-elf + a half-elf = another half-elf... But what if the second half-"elf" is that of drow blood? Would it make any difference? If so, how - Such as in appearances, possibly stats? (though, I wouldn't ask that much of you.) Any legitimate or creative answers would be well appreciated. :)
Krusk 07-07-07, 03:50 AM	Id probably just call it a half elf. Maybe find out what 1/4 the drow bonuses are and give it those if someone really wanted them.
Jell_Moo 07-07-07, 06:47 AM	Mostly going to depend on what is the dominant and what is the recessive trait here... It also depends on what occurs when a drow and an elf breed. Do they breed true? The opyions seem to be: Human Elf Drow Half-Elf Half-Drow Since each parent will pass off 1 of 2 traits, I have no knowledge of an Elf/Drow combo race, and no idea which race breeds as dominant, this is about as close as someone like I can get. After this step, I think we need answers to the other variables.
Muglock 07-07-07, 06:54 AM	Uhh... Do you even know anything about Corellon and Loth? Do you even understand anything about the Deities and Demigods in Dungeons and Dragons? A Half-Elf period cannot be Half-Drow. There is no possible way, EVER, that a say, moon elf could breed with a drow, or a, high elf could breed with a drow. IT cannot happen. Infact I doubt that could even happen through blood. Corellon f'ing cursed the Dark Elves to the underdark, they have like, cursed blood through normal elves now. Even a half-human half-drow and a half-human half-high elf or something, like Half-Elf Half-Drow breeding probably can't happen. IT simply cannot work. IT wont ever happen from a Drow of any lineage either. Its a bred hatred, its as much apart of a Drow and Elves life as eating and drinking is. You will never have a drow having sex with another elf, or vice versa. Sorry. Corellon would kill the child, or Loth would make it deformed at birth.
Jell_Moo 07-07-07, 08:06 AM	Uhh... Do you even know anything about Corellon and Loth? Do you even understand anything about the Deities and Demigods in Dungeons and Dragons? A Half-Elf period cannot be Half-Drow. There is no possible way, EVER, that a say, moon elf could breed with a drow, or a, high elf could breed with a drow. IT cannot happen. Infact I doubt that could even happen through blood. Corellon f'ing cursed the Dark Elves to the underdark, they have like, cursed blood through normal elves now. Even a half-human half-drow and a half-human half-high elf or something, like Half-Elf Half-Drow breeding probably can't happen. IT simply cannot work. IT wont ever happen from a Drow of any lineage either. Its a bred hatred, its as much apart of a Drow and Elves life as eating and drinking is. You will never have a drow having sex with another elf, or vice versa. Sorry. Corellon would kill the child, or Loth would make it deformed at birth. Wow, thank you for clearing that up! That solves everything! Except for all the parts where it doesn't. By the way, I am intrigued about your notion of Corellon Lorethian, BABY MURDERER!!! Even if this wasn't just a bunch of random statements you decided to make up, this does absolutely nothing to explain such pairings in settings such as Eberron, that possess neither of the 2 gods you mentioned.
Avatar of Kokusho 07-07-07, 08:13 AM	Erm, how about pairings sactioned by the one GOOD goddess of drow? I'm certain that Eilistraee would have no issues...and neither would Vhaeraun, as he encourages interbreeding, even with elves, to cement drow presence on the World Above. At any rate, I read somewhere that drow traits tend to override those of all other races, so I would imagine that a child from a half-elf and a half-drow would rather resemble its half-drow parent, though maybe without any special abilities. They would probably get the standard racial traits of a half-elf, modified somewhat (don't try and tell me that half-drow get bonuses on Diplomacy....please....)
Hellsbells 07-07-07, 08:33 AM	Uhh... Do you even know anything about Corellon and Loth? Do you even understand anything about the Deities and Demigods in Dungeons and Dragons? A Half-Elf period cannot be Half-Drow. There is no possible way, EVER, that a say, moon elf could breed with a drow, or a, high elf could breed with a drow. IT cannot happen. Infact I doubt that could even happen through blood. Corellon f'ing cursed the Dark Elves to the underdark, they have like, cursed blood through normal elves now. Even a half-human half-drow and a half-human half-high elf or something, like Half-Elf Half-Drow breeding probably can't happen. IT simply cannot work. IT wont ever happen from a Drow of any lineage either. Its a bred hatred, its as much apart of a Drow and Elves life as eating and drinking is. You will never have a drow having sex with another elf, or vice versa. Sorry. Corellon would kill the child, or Loth would make it deformed at birth. Ok first of all everything you said is crap, and just in case someone believes you I will now prove you wrong. 1) In drow of the underdark it specifically states that in many drow cities visitors of any race including surface elves may visit drow cities as long as they don't cause trouble and follow all rules. 2) Drow interbreed with humans quite often and I believe their are stats for a half-drow (but I can't seem to remember were). 3) Lolth has succeeded in converting a handful of surface elves. 4) all non-evil elves repect and rever life. Thats not to say they won't kill when they must, but they try not to and their patren god would never slaughter a baby on the spot, because of who their parents are. 5) It's his campaign let him make it up if he wants for crying out loud! therefor, crap.
pinkbunny 07-07-07, 08:43 AM	read daughter of the drow(elaine cunningham) muglock drow x elf nets you either or, more often drow, sometimes there's a little of the looks of the other race, but essentially, they are of one race I'd imagine that half drow x half elf would do the same, getting you either a half-elf or a half-drow
Jell_Moo 07-07-07, 06:04 PM	To get back to the topic at hand: Now bear in mind that this is a very simple illustration that mostly comes from my own mind, and perhaps a smattering of high school biology lessons taken a very long time ago. Each parent must possess two "traits". For a Human it is: Human/Human For an Elf it is: Elf/Elf For a Drow it is: Drow/Drow For a Half-Elf it is: Elf/Human For a Half-Drow it is: Drow/Human When one has offspring, both of the parents will pass off one of their background traits. So if two Elves have a child, the result is an Elf. There is no other possibility. Same goes for Drow, same goes for Humans. Each parent has to pass off the same trait, therefore the child is of the same race as the parents. Now, should an Elf and a Human, or a Drow and Human have a child, this child will automatically be a Half-Elf or a Half-Drow. It gets tricky now, because I am uncertain about what occurs when a Drow and an Elf mate. Technically one is simply a sub-race of the other. The only options I can see are: Elf/Drow = Hybrid of the two races. Half Elf/Half Drow thing. This, I do not believe, is shown anywhere in the current releset. +Elf/Drow = The Elf trait is the dominant one. In this case, as they are technically the same race they breed true, but as the Elf trait is dominant, the child resembles the Elf parent. Elf/+Drow = The Drow trait is the dominant one. In this case, as they are technically the same race they breed true, but as the Drow trait is dominant, the child resembles the Drow parent. Now it actually gets more complicated when Half-Elves and Half-Drow are involved. Since in these cases we have 3 traits in play: Human, Drow and Elf. It also introduces the unlikely scenario of a Half Elf and Half Drow producing a Human child... Because of this, I think it is important that we figure out which, if any of the races act as "dominant", as well as figure out what exactly is the outcome of a Drow and Elf union.
AMGriffin 07-07-07, 08:02 PM	Ignoring dominance we can just look at it this way. Its dnd so that means... Dice rolling! =DDDDDD Roll a D6 Die. result 1= Half-elf 2= Half-Drow 3= Human 4= Human 5= Elf 6= Drow Simple as that.
Jaxgaret 07-07-07, 08:25 PM	From what I could glean in a quick google search, and a little bit of deduction, here is my answer: Half-Drow. Now, there are two things which led me to this conclusion. The first is that Half-Elves breeding together produce more Half-Elves; they do not produce Humans or Elves. The second is that a Drow/Elf pairing will always lead to a Drow, due to some kind of genetic dominance they have. Put those two things together, and you find that a Half-Elf mating with a Half-Drow will produce a Half-Drow.
Daelen Greymoon 07-07-07, 08:34 PM	I believe you are getting too deep into the "real world genetics" of the situation. The rule books usually handle things more simply and generally. Book way- Elf of one subtype + elf of other subtype = elven child of one subtype or the other. Therefore, halfelves or separate subtypes would produce a halfelf that resembles one of their parents in their elven characteristics. Example - GrandmaDrow + Grandpa Human =DaddyHalfDrow and Grandma Human + Grandpa MoonElf = Mommy HalfMoonElf and DaddyHalfDrow + MommyHalfMoonElf = Baby1HalfDrow and/or Baby2HalfMoonElf You could even have siblings that resemble the separate parents and therefore look nothing alike (except for both being half/halfsomething) Real World Way- You would have to take every trait and break it down. You would need to decide what is dominant, what is recessive, and what is incomplete dominant (mixing = diluted version, red+white=pink) Then, you can decide the likelihood of each trait being expressed independantly. Hair color, eye color, nose shape, ear shape. You could treat it all as independant even though in the real world there are some genes which depend on others that SEEM totally unconnected. IF you decide to have every trait be based on a complete dominant system then you COULD have the two half/half parents produce a child who is fully human (though it would be INCREDIBLY rare) If you have some traits which are not fully dominant or recessive (pink example from above) then it is going to be harder to produce a fully human child, but with generations the humanness will fade (with breeding with humans) In the complete dominance example then breeding with humans would retain more elven characterisics (if they are there) Lets try ear shape. For the sake of argument we will have pointy be fully dominant over rounded. That means that the halfelven child's ears will be just as pointy as the elven parent's. If that halfelven child marries another halfelf (any type) then there is 25% chance of ELVEN EARS (2 dominant genes), 50% chance of Halfelven ears (which LOOK like Elven ears), and 25% chance of human rounded ears. The same would hold true for low light vision. The book says elves and halfelves both see twice as far as humans in lowlight. Mix 2 halfelves and you get 25/50/25 for lowlight. When you mix these two traits you have to decide whether the halfalf/halfelf hybrid has elven ears and elven lowlight, elven ears and halfelven lowlight, elven ears and no lowlight, halfelven ears and elven lowlight, halfelven ears and halfelven lowlight, halfelven ears and no lowlight, human ears and elven lowlight, human ears and halfelven lowlight, or human ears and no lowlight. Things would get even more complicated when you toss drow into the mix. You could run the same ear analysis, but what about darkvision? The FR book (the only one I have handy) says their darkvision (120ft) replaces the elven lowlight vision. So, which is dominant in a drow/elf cross? For the sake of argumant we'll say darkvision. Is it completely dominant? Does a half drow/half human get darkvision 120 or darkvision 60? Let's say They only get 60. But, let's say that since elves have SOMETHING rather than humans who have nothing they get 120 in a drow/elf cross. In the halfdrow you have children who all have darkvision 60 feet. For halfelves they have low light vision just as strong as elves, but genetically only halfelven. Half drow parent passes on either drow gene or human gene. Halfelf parent passes on either halfelf or human gene. In children from them you get 25% CHANCE for half drow/half human (= darkvision 60ft), 25% half drow/ half elven (= 120 darkvision), 25% half elven / half human (= regular lowlight, same as book says for halfelves), and 25% human (=no lowlight, no darkvision) So, you can see that in this and in the ears there is a chance for fully human. If you hit that last 25% on every trait roll (if rolling is how you are deciding) you CAN get a human from crossing a halfdrow and a halfelf. But it would take forever and it would be very unlikely. This was fun.
Ocom 07-07-07, 08:38 PM	I'd say a cow I have a lot against halfbreeds so I don't use them and use PH's halfbreeds as the nonhuman-race's inferior class and no templates either. Anyways consider that in any case of breeding, the mother's side beacomes dominant.
gotbrain 07-07-07, 08:45 PM	Hmmm let's see. Elf = Elf + Elf = EE Drow = Drow + Drow = DD Human = Human + Human = HH Half Elf = Human + Elf =HE Half Drow = Human + Drow = HD Now if you have HE + HD what is the product? Well you have four possibilities since each person must have two traits. HH, HD, HE, ED. Each parent must pass one trait. You can see there is a 75% chance a Human trait is passed to the child and a 25% chance it's an elf cross breed. We have to guess at which gene is dominant but I would guess the Drow gene is over the elf so for the ED result it would resemble a Drow.
Daelen Greymoon 07-07-07, 08:46 PM	In theory, you could cross a halfelf with a halforc and get a human child. In fantasy, weird world genetics, anyway.
Wharin 07-07-07, 09:07 PM	As to the OP's question, I am going to chime in, and agree with some of the other's and say that you'd wind up with a Half Elf or Half Drow, with maybe a slight predeliction towards Half Drow, only because Elf-Drow combo's beget Drow more often than not. On a side note, I am against the idea of having it be a random outcome of Human, Elf, Drow, or Half Elf or Half Drow. That would suggest that the ENTIRETY of elven genetic make up lies apon a single solitary gene, which strikes me as bogus, as even skin colour (something that our present day world culture seems to put ALOT of thought [or lack there of] into) is a matter of dozens and dozens of genes. And thats for something that has (just about) no meaning. I'd think that something a little more important such as ACTUAL species differeniation would go on something infininitely more complex... So complex to the point that its actually simple; like crayons and paint simple. You mix red (human) and blue (elf) and are going to get purlple (half elf). Now sometimes your purples are closer to violet (half moon elf) or magenta (half drow), but its still ultimately purple (half elf).
AMGriffin 07-07-07, 11:55 PM	The random one makes the MOST sense if you ask me. When you have the millions of genes of a species, it seems very unlikely something like a hybrid would breed true. The random outcome idea makes sense if certain races are more likely to appear then others. if the child turned out human, it doesn't mean they're 100% human genetically, but their genetic information is closest to that of a human, thus human is the best choice to represent them as a PC. Though yes, in terms of the odds a half-drow and half-elf having a child is most likely going to be half-elven or half-drow in terms of traits. With slim odds being it turns out human and even slimmer odds its an elf or a drow.
Wharin 07-08-07, 12:37 AM	Well... to a point, if we want to get to real world genetics, there'd almost have to be *some* randomization, but just like how 2d6 gives you a more stable average then 1d12, 100d2 (or 1000d2 or 1000000d2) is much much more likely going to give you a number in the middle 3rd (though the books actually say that its as much as 1/4th to 3/4ths on either side make a half elf) of the 1-100 (or 1-1000, or 1000000) scale then either end of the sides. Also, while there IS mention of half elves breeding together to make more half elves, I have yet to see a single mention, be it in DnD novels, source books, or errata to mention that a human or elf has, can, or would be possible to be born from such a union. Again, it could be possible if a DM sees it fit to have it be so (hell he can change gravity if he so chooses) and i would be hard pressed to fault him on it (its his campaign after all), but if the OP is aiming this question to any established, published, offical campaign setting, the answer should be simply "Half Elf or Half Drow, with a predicliction towards Half Drow", and not a d6 (or hell, any dice) rolled randomly to see if a full blooded Drow, Elf, or human pops out, instead.
Jaxgaret 07-08-07, 02:51 AM	Going by "real world genetics", the product of two people who are both half-black and half-white is going to be half-black and half-white; there's no possibility of them having a white or black child. The same goes for any racial pairing. It just doesn't work that way. There's always a mixing of genes, there is no dominant 'racial' gene, there is no such thing. Of course, as Wharin stated, you can do whatever you want in your campaigns. But I agree with him that in general, a randomized roll is not the way to go.
Jell_Moo 07-08-07, 03:20 AM	Going by "real world genetics", the product of two people who are both half-black and half-white is going to be half-black and half-white; there's no possibility of them having a white or black child. The same goes for any racial pairing. It just doesn't work that way. There's always a mixing of genes, there is no dominant 'racial' gene, there is no such thing. Of course, as Wharin stated, you can do whatever you want in your campaigns. But I agree with him that in general, a randomized roll is not the way to go. I think the key difference here though is that this isn't the same as a Black and White combination. An Elf and a Human are too completely different species. The fact that they can mate and produce fertile offspring is as close to magic as one could see. I also think that every game setting is likely to have their own unique answer to this question. If I am not mistaken (which I could be, it has been a long time) in LotR, offspring between an Elf and a Human were either an Elf or a Human. In the case of Elrond, he chose to be an Elf, and I believe his brother chose to be human.
Jaxgaret 07-08-07, 03:27 AM	I think the key difference here though is that this isn't the same as a Black and White combination. An Elf and a Human are too completely different species. The fact that they can mate and produce fertile offspring is as close to magic as one could see. I also think that every game setting is likely to have their own unique answer to this question. If I am not mistaken (which I could be, it has been a long time) in LotR, offspring between an Elf and a Human were either an Elf or a Human. In the case of Elrond, he chose to be an Elf, and I believe his brother chose to be human. Well then, that renders the question moot then, doesn't it? The answer becomes rule whatever the heck you want, because there is no answer.
hazhar 07-08-07, 07:34 AM	You'd get a half elf with slightly darker skin than normal.
Wharin 07-08-07, 12:12 PM	Going by "real world genetics", the product of two people who are both half-black and half-white is going to be half-black and half-white; there's no possibility of them having a white or black child. The same goes for any racial pairing. It just doesn't work that way. There's always a mixing of genes, there is no dominant 'racial' gene, there is no such thing. Of course, as Wharin stated, you can do whatever you want in your campaigns. But I agree with him that in general, a randomized roll is not the way to go. Well this is a bit of a tangent, there *was* actually a case, within the past couple of years, of two mixed parents, who had a set of twins. And as strange as it turns out, one was indeed "white" and the other was definitely "black". I believe Albinoism was ruled out some how, and this is the first documented case in, like, ever of something like that happening Also, it is (however extremely unlikey as it is) to happen. Skin color is based of a set of genes (dozens and dozens as i said before) And it all depends on the number of [its either like "on" and "off" or "black" and "white" markers, its something like that] it will determine the complection of the child. So however extremely unlikely as it is, there is that million:1 chance that it can happen.
Red_Decker 07-08-07, 12:31 PM	Kinda funny but there was a drow elf born to human parents in FR... funny little genetic quirks in fantasy, I tell ya. I'd say it'd be half-drow... or throw the parents for a loop and make it a full blooded orc ;) ok... I'd say half-drow http://www.geocities.com/customsmiliesbyswordmaster/inthered.txt
darkdragonk 07-09-07, 12:19 AM	Well I know a Half-elf breeds true, and i guess a Half-drow breeds true, but after mixing so many genes maybe it's just sterile. Plus if you really want to add the gods disaprovel just make the child a Dwarf...........:D
Muglock 07-09-07, 01:07 AM	Yep. This makes total sense, you know. Drow love Elves, Elves love Drow, infact, they have sex constantly.
Prime32 07-09-07, 02:19 PM	Wasn't Drizzt part surface elf? That would imply the elf/drow -> drow thing, since an obvious hybrid wouldn't live very long (the purple eyes came through, though).
hazhar 07-09-07, 02:40 PM	Yep. This makes total sense, you know. Drow love Elves, Elves love Drow, infact, they have sex constantly. Half Elf != Elf. Maybe the Half Elf and Half Drow grew up entirely in an isolated rural Human community with no contact with their Elven parents, or with any other Elves, and therefore have no idea of the hatred that exists between Drow and surface Elves. Infact ironically, they might even be drawn to each other in such a place; thinking they both have something in common due to their Elven heritage.
EvilVegan 07-09-07, 03:02 PM	Depends on campaign - certain campaign settings hold more mystical dominance/recessiveness of breeding (anything with less that 100% elf is a half elf, even if its 1/16th human 15/16th elf) Also, depends on region of birth - certain Drow histories incorporate the nature of the underdark as intrinsic to their development. That is to say, the radiation of the underdark partially mutates them into drow. So a half-drow/half-grey would be drow if born/impregnated/conceived in the underdark, but otherwise would be standard half-elf (with darker skin perhaps).
JadeSpider9643 07-09-07, 03:18 PM	Half Elf + Half Drow = Drelfuman? Elow? Erfow? Drolf? I don't know what it would be, but i tell ya it won't make friends easily, that's for sure.
Erato 07-09-07, 05:51 PM	Kinda funny but there was a drow elf born to human parents in FR... funny little genetic quirks in fantasy, I tell ya. If that was to be explained by genetics, I believe the drow genes had to be recessive. Since the elven genes are co-dominant (can you use that experession in english ?) to human genes, it would make the drow genes recessive to elf genes, which means that a half drow/half elf = half elf, elf/drow = elf, human/drow = human, half elf/drow = half elf ect., unless both the parents had drow genes :thinks: (in which case the chance of them talking effect would be 25%). Good thing a fantasy world doesn't have to follow the laws of nature (owlbears) :)
Prime32 07-09-07, 06:03 PM	In Dragon magazine there was a race called "saurian shifters" (a version of Eberron's shifters based on dinosaurs). When they breed with humans, they produce human offspring, but occasionally, the child of one of their descendants will be a saurian shifter.
PainTrain 07-09-07, 10:25 PM	I apologize, but I simply could not find a thread related to this topic to save my life. I'm one to absolutely love genetics, especially that of the races of D&D, so I just had to ask out of my curiosity... ... what would the product be of a half-elven parent and a half-drow parent? I know it's said that a half-elf + a half-elf = another half-elf... But what if the second half-"elf" is that of drow blood? Would it make any difference? If so, how - Such as in appearances, possibly stats? (though, I wouldn't ask that much of you.) Any legitimate or creative answers would be well appreciated. :) Well to be that annoying scientifically **** guy about it... you'd most likely get nothing as a half elf would have to be infertile otherwise humans and elves could be considered the same species even though it is clear that they are not. Species are usually biologically defined as a group of populations whose members are able to interbreed to produce viable, fertile offspring with members of other populations. So in other words if a half elf female could reproduce with a half elf female and produce viable offspring than elves and humans are the same species. Haldane's Law holds up most of the time in nature, especially in mammals so I really doubt you'd come up with anything. Ignoring that though, it really is tough to speculate because we know absolutely nothing on how various loci and the possible alleles interact affect the phenotype. But like I said, that's only if you want to be all **** about it.
Rowan_Whispercloak 07-11-07, 06:42 AM	I have seen a few attempt at stating Elf/Dark Elf crossbreeds, however I they have always been either odd or an attempt at getting the best of both balance with some angsty fluff. If I were the DM I think that I would a stat a hybrid half-elf (surface insert high as I don't want to get into the many other subraces)/half-elf (drow) as Medium: As Medium creatures, half-elves have no special bonuses or penalties due to their size. Half-elf base land speed is 30 feet. Immunity to sleep spells and similar magical effects Low-Light Vision: A half-elf can see twice as far as a human in starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail under these conditions. Darkvision 30ft. Half-elves can see in the dark up to 30 feet. Darkvision is black and white only, but it is otherwise like normal sight, and half-elves can function just fine with no light at all. +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. Elven Blood: For all effects related to race, a half-elf is considered an elf. Automatic Languages: Common, Drow and, Elven. Bonus Languages: Any (other than secret languages, such as Druidic). Favored Class: Any. When determining whether a multiclass half-elf takes an experience point penalty, her highest-level class does not count. I would basically try to balance out the fact that they have both low-light vision and really weak darkvision, perhaps allowing them to expand it to 60 or maybe 120 with a feat. Not really sure how good of an idea this is just me initial take on the subject.
Wolf72 07-11-07, 09:58 AM	Yep. This makes total sense, you know. Drow love Elves, Elves love Drow, infact, they have sex constantly. Read the original Vault of the Drow adventure, there was brothel section of the city with lots of mixed breeds running around ... human and elven. Seems the drow would raid the surface for slaves and for some they would be sold into prostitution. as for the OP, I say it's Half-Elf but let him take a feat for Darkvision
tantric 07-11-07, 10:35 AM	fyi, in my campaign, i call such beings "Bastard Elves".
The_Shaman 07-11-07, 10:47 AM	I think you should just roll a d2 (aka coin) and choose whether it displays the traits of a half-elf or half-drow (i.e. the same, but with darkvision 60)
NightHawkFalconis 07-11-07, 06:00 PM	Wasn't Drizzt part surface elf? That would imply the elf/drow -> drow thing, since an obvious hybrid wouldn't live very long (the purple eyes came through, though). Drizzt was the son of Matron Malice Daermon Na'shezbaernon (Do'Urden) and Zaknafein Do'Urden, both full-blooded drow. read daughter of the drow(elaine cunningham) muglock drow x elf nets you either or, more often drow, sometimes there's a little of the looks of the other race, but essentially, they are of one race Actually another book by Elaine Cunningham has the answer to this, but technically, it only applies to drow from Forgotten Realms. A wizard of the Ilythiiri (drow before they were forced underground), Ka'Narlist, was performing experiments and discovered that Ilythiiri/drow always breed true no matter what species {of elf} they bred with. At any rate, I read somewhere that drow traits tend to override those of all other races, so I would imagine that a child from a half-elf and a half-drow would rather resemble its half-drow parent, though maybe without any special abilities. They would probably get the standard racial traits of a half-elf, modified somewhat (don't try and tell me that half-drow get bonuses on Diplomacy....please....) If the OP decides to consider the Forgotten Realms version of genealogy, then yes, the half-drow would probably breed true when coupled with a half-elf of another race. In truth, it probably doesn't matter; if the OP is the DM, he may decide to have a dragon or a god born of that union, and not a power in the world can stop him. ^^
SolkaTruesilver 07-11-07, 07:46 PM	I remember reading somewhere that when 2 different kind of elves breed, their offspring is one of the two kind (50% chance of each), with no trace of race from the other parent (outside of normal trait heritage, such a eyes, etc...) the rule apply to drow and other elves So I would say the rule apply to half-elves. The offspring would be a half-elf, roll 50/50 to see if either half-drow or half-regularelf
Prime32 07-12-07, 03:58 PM	Drizzt was the son of Matron Malice Daermon Na'shezbaernon (Do'Urden) and Zaknafein Do'Urden, both full-blooded drow. But Zaknafein was thought to be part-surface elf, as he was not inherently evil - he passed this on to Drizzt, and, to a lesser extent, his daughter (priestess, can't remember her name), but she suppressed it and stayed evil. The other piece of evidence besides alignment was Drizzt's purple eyes.
SolkaTruesilver 07-13-07, 08:38 AM	Drows are not always evil, they are usually evil. Which means a drow can be good, or neutral. Zak was CN, not good. He was a drow, nothing else. Let's not get silly, please. Drizzt's eyes are.. an anormality within the drows. Maybe if someone asked a drow bard, he would have heard something about a legend of a purple-eyed child who would wreak havoc on the drow race. No un-verifiable speculations, I beg.
sigma999 07-14-07, 02:54 AM	You'd get something like Arshes Nei which ain't all that bad of a hybrid, nor hard on the eyes >_<
hazhar 07-14-07, 07:22 AM	Zak was CN, not good. not evil either, though.