Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TicTacFinger 10-27-07, 01:58 PM	I am toying with the idea of making an archer that would eventually become a Cragtop Archer from races of stone. I was wondering if anyone could suggest some races with a "Base Climb Speed". The first race that came to my mind was the Vanara from Oriental Adventures but I am still undecided, so any suggestions with any LA is appreciated.
The_Shaman 10-27-07, 08:15 PM	I am toying with the idea of making an archer that would eventually become a Cragtop Archer from races of stone. I was wondering if anyone could suggest some races with a "Base Climb Speed". The first race that came to my mind was the Vanara from Oriental Adventures but I am still undecided, so any suggestions with any LA is appreciated. I think the Hadozee from Stormwrack might have climb speed too... as do, iirc, the mountain spirit folk from Unapproachable East. None of these have LA iirc.
DreamerInsane 10-27-07, 08:57 PM	Hadozee do indeed have a climb speed. You get a glide ability, too ^^
Beckettvampire 10-28-07, 12:34 AM	Savage Species has the anthropomorphic template that is basically a 1/2 man - 1/2 animal. I believe that it is +0 or +1 LA, and generally pretty nice. Try an anthropomorphic ape.
Archon-John 10-28-07, 02:22 PM	Spirit Folk - mountain variation. +0 LA from Unapproachable East, comes with a lot of swanky cool benefits as well.
AtsuiShoto 10-28-07, 03:47 PM	Hadozee don't have an actual climb speed, just a bunch of good bonuses to climbing (and gliding ability), but at +0 ECL they're a great idea! The Anthropomorphic Ape has 2 Monstrous Humanoid hitdice, but its ability bonuses are definitely worth it for an archer (incl. +6 Dex!), it has +3 natural armor, and it gets the climb speed you're looking for. The Anthropomorphic Ape (and many other anthros) is definitely poorly balanced.
Killydd 10-28-07, 07:15 PM	While not a race, the scout variant in the PHB2 grants you a climb speed. If its worth the class levels, that would make any race at all valid.
Borris 10-29-07, 12:51 AM	The jungle goblin from Unearthed Arcana is also given a 20 ft. Climb speed.
zook1shoe666 10-29-07, 01:03 AM	in Drag#324 they had a humanoid tree frog..... uber KOOL!
larry_the_titan 10-29-07, 11:19 AM	Shifters I think have a way to get a Climb speed while shifted.
TicTacFinger 10-29-07, 03:11 PM	Thanks guys these are some great suggestions, I am weighing the pros and cons of the different races (the anthropomorphic ape seems to good to be true) and the heads up on the scout variant is much appreciated.
AtsuiShoto 10-29-07, 10:57 PM	Yep. Check out Savage Species near the end to see a list of anthro animals, some of which are pathetic and worthless, some of which are totally broken. The Anthro Baleen Whale is a well-known one, with Large size, crazy-high physical and wisdom mods, NO penalties, +9 natural armor, and of course a swim speed. The level adjustment? ZERO. Just 3 Monstrous hitdice. Yeah, I wouldn't put too much stock into the default Anthropomorphic animals, I'm just pointing out the Ape as one official option that would be "too good to be true".
sigma999 10-31-07, 03:05 AM	Hadozee? Would you really sacrifice appearance, and look like a gorilla/flying squirrel crossbreed, for the sake of optimization? Ah nevermind, 5 minutes on CharOp board reveals much worse. It's like the private joke of designers, making race/class combos that munchkins can't resist, yet they look ridiculous in action for the benefit of everyone else that must suffer watching them conquer an entire session.
Saiyamantis 10-31-07, 03:25 PM	The heck with optimization. I didn't even look at the hadozee stats in Stormwrack; I flipped to page 42 and went, "Dude! Flying monkey pirate!"
Wih 10-31-07, 09:16 PM	The heck with optimization. I didn't even look at the hadozee stats in Stormwrack; I flipped to page 42 and went, "Dude! Flying monkey pirate!" QFT, totally.:D
Pandapeep 11-01-07, 02:19 PM	The Cragtop Archer isn't a Goliath only class?