Racial Class Skills ?? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Racial Class Skills ?? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Zookeeper
02-12-08, 07:44 PM Does a monstrous race (Ex. Hound Archon) lose some of its racial skills if the class chosen (Ex. Paladin) has those skills as cross class skills??

A Hound Archon has
Monster Manual pg 18
Racial Skills: A Hound Archon's Outsider levels give it skill points equal to 9x(8+Int modifier). Its class skills are Concentration, Hide, Jump, Listen, Move Silently, Sense Motive, Spot, and Survival.

A Paladin does not have Move Silently as a class skill, and in the Monster Manual pg 17 Stat Block for Hound Archon Hero, 11th level Paladin it does not list Move Silently as a Skill.

Just a little confused because no matter what class I am, I am always a Hound Archon. :confused:

Thanks in advance for your responces.
ciaran
02-12-08, 07:55 PM Those are the archons class skills for its racial HD levels. It's class skills when taking levels in Paladin are those on the Paladin's skill list. Class skills are only class skills when you choose a class when going up in level. Change class, change class skills.

However... Many people simplify by saying that once a class skill always a class skill. Honestly, its alot easier that way. The above method is supposed to maintain balance so that not everyone takes a level of rogue (for example). :D
Zookeeper
02-12-08, 08:12 PM Those are the archons class skills for its racial HD levels. It's class skills when taking levels in Paladin are those on the Paladin's skill list. Class skills are only class skills when you choose a class when going up in level. Change class, change class skills.

I understand that, but you are talking about changing classes "Change Classes, change Class Skills". A racial skill should, IMHO, always be a skill, after all with very few exceptions I can not change races. Racial bonuses always applies, weather a class skill or not. (Ex. +2 Racial Bonus on Survival, or +8 Racial Bonus on Swim - other races have these type of bonuses)

However... Many people simplify by saying that once a class skill always a class skill. Honestly, its alot easier that way. The above method is supposed to maintain balance so that not everyone takes a level of rogue (for example). :D

Yea - Our first run we did that and had several characters with mega skills, so we are trying to keep it more balanced this time.

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Zookeeper 02-12-08, 07:44 PM	Does a monstrous race (Ex. Hound Archon) lose some of its racial skills if the class chosen (Ex. Paladin) has those skills as cross class skills?? A Hound Archon has Monster Manual pg 18 Racial Skills: A Hound Archon's Outsider levels give it skill points equal to 9x(8+Int modifier). Its class skills are Concentration, Hide, Jump, Listen, Move Silently, Sense Motive, Spot, and Survival. A Paladin does not have Move Silently as a class skill, and in the Monster Manual pg 17 Stat Block for Hound Archon Hero, 11th level Paladin it does not list Move Silently as a Skill. Just a little confused because no matter what class I am, I am always a Hound Archon. :confused: Thanks in advance for your responces.
ciaran 02-12-08, 07:55 PM	Those are the archons class skills for its racial HD levels. It's class skills when taking levels in Paladin are those on the Paladin's skill list. Class skills are only class skills when you choose a class when going up in level. Change class, change class skills. However... Many people simplify by saying that once a class skill always a class skill. Honestly, its alot easier that way. The above method is supposed to maintain balance so that not everyone takes a level of rogue (for example). :D
Zookeeper 02-12-08, 08:12 PM	Those are the archons class skills for its racial HD levels. It's class skills when taking levels in Paladin are those on the Paladin's skill list. Class skills are only class skills when you choose a class when going up in level. Change class, change class skills. I understand that, but you are talking about changing classes "Change Classes, change Class Skills". A racial skill should, IMHO, always be a skill, after all with very few exceptions I can not change races. Racial bonuses always applies, weather a class skill or not. (Ex. +2 Racial Bonus on Survival, or +8 Racial Bonus on Swim - other races have these type of bonuses) However... Many people simplify by saying that once a class skill always a class skill. Honestly, its alot easier that way. The above method is supposed to maintain balance so that not everyone takes a level of rogue (for example). :D Yea - Our first run we did that and had several characters with mega skills, so we are trying to keep it more balanced this time.