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risner 10-22-07, 09:57 AM	I am looking for an Outsider (preferred) race with 5 or less HD and LA+0 or LA+1, does anyone know of any that fit this bill? The closest I have found is the Lumi (2HD 2LA), but I can only handle 1LA maximum for the concept. I know about Aasimar (LA+1 0HD) and am trying to avoid that for now. Also, does anyone know a good online search that allows you to search monsters based on stats? I know one is out there, I just can't google for the site. Anyone remember it?
DreamerInsane 10-22-07, 03:26 PM	If a CHA bonus is what you're after: LA +0: Spellscale (Races of the Dragon) Star Elf (Unapproachable East) Lesser Aasimar (Player's Guide to Faerūn) LA +1: Aasimar Chaos Gnome (Races of Stone)
risner 10-22-07, 05:17 PM	If a CHA bonus is what you're after: LA +1: Chaos Gnome (Races of Stone) Thanks, didn't know about the Gnome. I will check him out. I would like non negative CHA and/or WIS, but I also don't mind having some racial dice too. Frost Folk from Frostburn are close to what I am seeking: 4d8 Monstrous Humanoid, +1 level adjust 2d6 Cold breath weapon +4 STR, +2 CON, +2 DEX, -2 CHA Immune to Cold Vulnerable to Fire It is near perfect for what I am seeking. Perfect would be Racial 5 HD and LA +0 with non negative CHA (or WIS) preferably positive to both without all the Cold flavour.
happy_fuzzy 10-23-07, 12:25 AM	Its not that great but I believe you can play a bladeling from MM2, which from what i figured out is an LA+1 race with +2 dexterity, darkvision, and some other stuff.
bahamut920 10-23-07, 12:56 AM	Hellbred from Fiendish Codex II with the Mind aspect. They get +2 Cha and -2 Con (IIRC). LA +0. You can also cast [Evil] or (I think) [Corrupt] spells without it affecting your alignment ;) Not sure about [Vile] tho, I don't have the book in front of me and I'm too lazy to go get it. Edit: Sorry, are you specifically looking for a creature with Racial Hit Dice? Hmmm.... Not many creatures with racial HD and no LA. They seem to go hand-in-hand, especially the kind with mental ability adjustments. Whatever WotC says about the physical ability scores being more universally important, they sure do give them out like candy, and make casters work for theirs...
risner 10-23-07, 01:47 AM	Its not that great but I believe you can play a bladeling from MM2, which from what i figured out is an LA+1 race with +2 dexterity, darkvision, and some other stuff. Looks it was updated in 3.5 to LA+2 The more I look the more it seem what I am wanting to do is outside the scope of what is allowed in game.
Finfreeze 10-23-07, 02:51 AM	Well, there are always human, half-elf, and gnome, all of whom can get +2 charisma by taking three levels of racial paragon classes. If you have Arcana Evolved, humans gain +1 to any ability score per level they take of their special racial class (of which there are three levels). These options are all well within the 5 HD limit. Of course, half-elves can get up to +4 charisma, but it takes 6 levels... Merfolk get +2 Dexterity, +2 Constitution, +2 Charisma for LA +1. If you're not afraid of dipping into the dangerous yet wonderful world of D&D Wiki races (lol), there are quite a few new contenders. For the sake of sanity, I'll list only those who are also outsiders. Hey, it's something to consider. LA +0 Cacnaer (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Cacnaer_%28DnD_Race%29) Spirit-Touched (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Spirit-touched_%28DnD_Race%29) LA +1 Allurin (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Allurin_%28DnD_Race%29) Catling (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Catling_%28DnD_Race%29) Catgirl, any (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Category:Catgirl) Raluri Magistocracy (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Raluri_Magistocracy_%28DnD_Race%29) Zurreal (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Zurreal_%28DnD_Race%29)
Ornum 10-23-07, 10:57 AM	Perhaps you could post all, or just a portion, of the character concept you have in mind so that we can give you some suggestions?
risner 10-23-07, 04:09 PM	I am trying to create a Undead Turing Divine spellcaster with Radiant Servant of Blah where Blah is a Sun/Light related deity without taking any Cleric levels. My current run is this: Deity of Elishar (Light/Sun deity from Deities and Demigods) Domains: Sun Protection Good Healing Knowledge Luck Race Unknown (prefer +X Cha) 5 HD of a Full BAB good Will class currently Duskblade 1 HD of Soldier of Light Gain Turn Undead Gain Cleric like spontaneously cure casting for all current and future Divine casters. 1 HD of War Priest (requires Combat casting from Duskblade) Gain Glory domain on Soldier of Light spells. 1 HD Divine Champion (Gain Sun Domain prepared casting) 2 HD Radiant Servant of Elishar/Pelor (requires Extra Turning) +1 spellcasting to Divine Crusader (DC) always. Gain Empowered Healing on ALL cures cast by DC. 1 HD Contemplative Gain Protection domain 4 HD Radiant Servant of Elishar Gain gain Healing (if required to Max/Empower from RSoP or Luck if not) Feats: 1st Open 3rd Weapon Focus Scimitar 6th Extra Turning 9th Open or if I have Healing domain take Imbued Healing 12th Spontaneous Domains 15th Touch of Healing ECL 15 If I buyoff a LA or take a LA+1, I have 7th level casting in Protection, otherwise I will have 8th level casting (with CHA 26 or more.) 4 Maximized cures of each level per day. Mindblank always on all day if 8th level spells. Spontaneous casting for all spells from a prepared caster with only domain slots (DC.) Race options I have now: Lumi (perfect, but has LA+2 which bumps me to 6th level spells even with buyoff) Merfolk (doesn't fit the concept) Hellborn (doesn't fit the concept) Frost Folk (doesn't fit the concept) Illumian VoolKaru (Duskblade for Combat Casting & take Improved Power Sigil for +3 caster level) Murracks (may fit the concept, 3HD LA+1 Sneak Attack monster from Sandstorm) Racial Paragons (from UA which is off limits) My only restriction is my first five (5) HD must be full BAB good Will.