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Fair_Player 03-12-07, 03:18 AM	Is it realistic that a Pixie (fey) is adventuring with four humans? I thought i could be a pixie but my dm told me that feys didn't like humans but i want to check if he's right.. Want to become a lurk/shadowdancer pixie ;) much on hide and pixies have invisibility greater as a free action spell like ability which means +40 on hide and +20 on hide when moving :D
enygmatic_me 03-12-07, 03:52 AM	Is it realistic that a Pixie (fey) is adventuring with four humans? No less realistic then four humans going off to slay trolls and dragons. I thought i could be a pixie but my dm told me that feys didn't like humans but i want to check if he's right.. It's not completely cannon, but it is up to your DM how the fey act in his/her game. Want to become a lurk/shadowdancer pixie ;) much on hide and pixies have invisibility greater as a free action spell like ability which means +40 on hide and +20 on hide when moving :D Sounds like a very stealthy build, I wish you luck in convincing your DM to change his/her mind.
Garonak 03-12-07, 08:41 AM	Is it realistic that a Pixie (fey) is adventuring with four humans? I thought i could be a pixie but my dm told me that feys didn't like humans but i want to check if he's right.. Want to become a lurk/shadowdancer pixie ;) much on hide and pixies have invisibility greater as a free action spell like ability which means +40 on hide and +20 on hide when moving :D Actually they have VISIBILITY as a free action... They are by default invisible.
runestar 03-12-07, 08:47 AM	They can activate or disable their invis at will as free actions.:)
RavingDork 03-12-07, 11:14 AM	They can activate or disable their invis at will as free actions.:) Actually, it's always active naturally. However, you are right in they can deactivate it as a free action (and I guess re-activate it should they choose to be visible).
Return of the Flumph 03-12-07, 01:25 PM	If the DM says that fey do not like humans, then fey do not like humans. It doesn't matter how they behave in any established setting or generic DnD.
RogerRamjet 03-12-07, 03:01 PM	Tell your DM to stop being a jerk. This fey can be a rebel,and like humans. I mean DMs should make sure thier players get what they want or it makes for unfun games. It's not like you want to have some broke combo or something. I might have some passion about this topic becuase how insane my parties are. Right now my party consists of a dragon shaman(me),half-fiend drow duskblade,a drow wizard,a roque,and a fighter(if I didn't mention thier race they're human). I been a mummy with a minotaur,and a ninja. Come on when D&D gets ''realistic'' is when it's not as fun.
EvilVegan 03-12-07, 03:13 PM	Are you totally ignoring level adjustments? You just described one of the worst parties I could imagine! half-fiend drow duskblade is like +6 LA and drow wizard is +2. That means your two casters are 2/6 levels behind the rest of the party! And while we're on the subject Pixies are frustrating to DM for and are +4 or +6 LA, which is fine if all you want to do is hide. I had a pixie character in a game once and all he did was float around and wait for people to sleep, then he'd coup de grace with his sneak attack damage. I severly nerfed his abilities and he was still very difficult to deal with.
Airos 03-13-07, 12:25 AM	I thought i could be a pixie but my dm told me that feys didn't like humans but i want to check if he's right.. As others have already said, it's up to the DM how the various races and creatures view one another. Just because the Monster Manual says Red Dragons are chaotic evil doesn't mean they can't be lawful good in some campaign worlds. If the DM has decided that fae do not like humans, then I doubt there's very much you can do to change his mind. Maybe you could talk with the other players about making an all fae group when the next campaign begins. Tell your DM to stop being a jerk. This fey can be a rebel,and like humans. There is no evidence that the DM is being a jerk. Telling players "no" is a part of a DM's role in the game. The DM may feel Pixies are disruptive, mechanically confusing and/or overpowered. If so, then by all rights the DM should say "no" to preserve game balance, as well as the "fun" of the other players. I mean DMs should make sure thier players get what they want or it makes for unfun games. No. Any DM that's just handed out whatever I asked for I stopped gaming with. It makes for a very "unfun" game when your character has nothing to look forward to. If you have "everything" then why bother adventuring? D&D is a social game. There's a certain level of give and take so everyone has fun. DMs should make some compromises for the players to get some of what they want, but the players are supposed to do the same. If something isn't available for the players, it's not the end of the world. There's more books available. Find something else to play. It's not like you want to have some broke combo or something. It doesn't need to be "broke", it just needs to be something the DM doesn't want to run. If my players really got the itch, they could go through 3 or 4 of my books and stat up epic, infernal, dracolich deities. If everyone was playing one, it wouldn't be "broke" since they're all the same power level. That's also something that I do not want to DM. If the players are that bent, then they can DM it. I might have some passion about this topic becuase how insane my parties are. Right now my party consists of a dragon shaman(me),half-fiend drow duskblade,a drow wizard,a roque,and a fighter(if I didn't mention thier race they're human). I been a mummy with a minotaur,and a ninja. Good for you! :tiphat: Some DMs have no problem when their players choose races with a level adjustment. Some DMs do. Some DMs have a line. I, personally, won't go much above +10 unless we're starting post-epic. I also won't allow a player to have an ECL higher than the rest of the party. If I'm starting a game at level 5, then LA +4 is the best you're going to get. Less if the race has racial hit dice. Come on when D&D gets ''realistic'' is when it's not as fun. Just because a DM says no from time to time doesn't mean its "realistic". Elves are not "real", nor are halflings, dragons, magic, etc... Taking away a few of the players options does not "ruin" the game. And while we're on the subject Pixies are frustrating to DM for and are +4 or +6 LA, which is fine if all you want to do is hide. I had a pixie character in a game once and all he did was float around and wait for people to sleep, then he'd coup de grace with his sneak attack damage. I severly nerfed his abilities and he was still very difficult to deal with. This sounds like a player problem, and not a Pixie problem. I've DMed for 2 pixies, once in 2nd edition and again recently in 3.5. There's lot of ways to deal with them. Blindsense, Glitterdust, See Invisibility, Invisibility Purge, Blind-Fight... And what do you mean "Waited for everyone to go to sleep, the Coup de Grace them"? Them who? The encounters or the party? I don't understand how you can wait for the random encounters to "fall asleep", and if the player was killing the rest of the party in it's sleep then it really was a player problem. There's a reason the D&D books are hardcover and heavy; hitting jerks over the head. :P Just my :twocents:
enygmatic_me 03-13-07, 03:28 AM	I mean DMs should make sure thier players get what they want or it makes for unfun games. You know what else makes for an unfun game? Unhappy DM's. Contrary to the belief that some hold the DM should have as much fun running the game as the players are playing it. If that isn't the case you may find that the DM decides to reset the universe in a glorious explosion of charged ozone and PC death and then refuse to run again for a long while, if at all, for that specific group of players.
Fair_Player 03-13-07, 09:26 AM	Looks like im started a little fight here ;) This sounds like a player problem, and not a Pixie problem. I've DMed for 2 pixies, once in 2nd edition and again recently in 3.5. There's lot of ways to deal with them. Blindsense, Glitterdust, See Invisibility, Invisibility Purge, Blind-Fight... Aren't there any feats or magic items that can make me immune to those things?
obrysii 03-13-07, 09:28 AM	If the DM says that fey do not like humans, then fey do not like humans. It doesn't matter how they behave in any established setting or generic DnD. However, you are forgetting the number one rule of PCs: There are always exceptions.
RavingDork 03-13-07, 11:38 AM	I once played a Pixie Rogue with the Spring Attack feat wielding a Sword of Subtlety in a brief Forgotten Realms campaign (pre-errata). It simply dominated. I was doing more damage than the fighter, nobody could find me, and with Evasion and a good save area spells were useless. A lot of people say countering a pixie's invisibility is easy to do. Sure it is, but a DM can only do it so much before it becomes an abuse. In the game I played in I rarely EVER had to deal with it since I managed to singlehandedly kill everyone who had the ability to talk about the invisible killer in a way I didn't like. If things got rough, I would polymorph into a panther or something and claw the enemy to pieces. This had the benefit of healing my low hit points too. I had a feat which made my 1/day spell-like abilities 3/day instead. The game fell apart as a direct result of 1) my character being striclty better than the rest despite LA, and 2) none of the enemies being truly capable of handling the constant flight, invisibility, and sneak attacks.
fair_dm 03-13-07, 03:19 PM	Hi. I'm his DM ;) In my campaign players have to consult me if they chose a race with a high LA. And when i read about pixies i found many reasons of why he shouldn't be allowed to be one. 1. A pixie don't match up with my campaign. 2. I think that if he's gonna be a pixie, it will only be annoying with his invisibility power, it may make it more difficult to make a god plot idea. 3. And most important, all of the other players are against him being a pixie. And even with all these things in mind i was actually considering to allow him being that class. I hope this clarifies everything. If not, than just ask:)