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Joseph_Silver 02-12-07, 04:23 PM	I've been thinking... Humans = Humans Vulcans = Elves or Kalashtar Romulans = Drow Klingons = Hobgoblins Ferengi = Goblins (because they're pests) or Gnomes (because they love money) Jem'Hadar = Warforged (built for war) Changelings = Changelings Prophets and Pah Wraiths = Quori (Kalashtar vs. Inspired) So, what do you think?
Darth Syntax 02-12-07, 04:39 PM	Not bad. However, for the sake of fun, I would like to offer some additional ideas Humans: well this is a given Vulcans: Githzerai (modified with a -CHA instead of INT) Romulans: Githyanki Cardassians: Hobgoblins Ferengi: I agree with you here, so lets go with goblins for fun Klingons: Dwarves Augments (like Dr. Bashir): Elan Changelings: Dopplegangers (not supposed to be playable really) Trill: Kalashtar Vorta: oddly enough gnomes -- I'm still trying to figure out what to do with the Bajorans and most of the 'minor' species like the Bolians and all of that.
Dragonbait 02-12-07, 06:27 PM	I've been thinking... Vulcans = Elves So, what do you think? Aside from the pointed ears, why are the vulcans associated with elves? Their lack of emotions? Their attachment to science? Their strength and enurance? Sounds real elf-like..
Jshock_75 02-12-07, 08:09 PM	Aside from the pointed ears, why are the vulcans associated with elves? Their lack of emotions? Their attachment to science? Their strength and enurance? Sounds real elf-like..Ooh, ooh, I know! It's the Chlorophyll in their blood. Yeah, that's it.:D
Artector 02-12-07, 08:14 PM	Klingons scream more "Half-orc" to me. You'd need to tweak them a bit, but I don't think they quite fit Dwarves.
Melpomene 02-12-07, 08:24 PM	Ferengi Medium Humanoid Base Speed: 30 feet -2 Charisma. Ferengi are not well liked. +2 bonus to Appraise checks, Bluff checks and Diplomacy checks made to bargain or haggle. Ferengi always have Appraise as a class skill. They have a natural appreciation for wealth. +2 bonus to listen checks. Ferengi have good ears. +4 bonus to resist all mind-affecting effects. Ferangi have a four-lobed brain that makes them hard to read.
xandros2000 02-12-07, 10:12 PM	I would say orcs=klingons, half-orcs being half-klingon such as worf.
Ariath Ska'Vhor 02-12-07, 10:20 PM	I dunno, I think the simplest solution is to get a bunch of humans and put a bit of putty on the bridge of thier noses. Voila, instant alien.
FrostHammer 02-12-07, 10:22 PM	Umm, it's been a while since I've watched ST:TNG, but isn;t Worf a FULL Klingon?
Artector 02-12-07, 10:28 PM	Umm, it's been a while since I've watched ST:TNG, but isn;t Worf a FULL Klingon? Last I checked. I think he had a wife/lover that was half-klingon though.
obrysii 02-12-07, 11:07 PM	Vulcans would be a super race. *Str +2, Con +2, Int +2, Cha -2 *Mind-Meld: *Insert some mind-reading psionic power* ...And go from there
Rogue Shadows 02-14-07, 09:50 AM	Romulans = Drow You know, at first I made this comparison as well, but I've been giving it a lot of thought lately... And pretty much, the only thing they share is the ears. Think about it. The defining features of the dark elf race is slavery, opression, factionalism, and a drive for conquest, both of themselves and others. We've never really seen much oppression within the Romulan Star Empire: the citizens appear to be basically free. Oh, there is of course the Tal Shiar secret police, but apart from that...it's more of an oppression of thought rather then the physical oppression that the drow display. Factionalism is present, but the difference is that drow are divided because each wants to be at the top of the pile. Romulans honestly put the Star Empire first and themselves second; if they benefit in the process, that's fine, but not their core drive. The drive for conquest...Romulans don't seem to display this. the Star Empire is the smallest of the three major states in the Alpha and Beta quadrents, and hasn't experienced any push for expansion for centuries. The Star Empire is precisely as big as it needs to be; all Romulan actions since the 23rd century seem to be primarily concerned with making sure that no one else expands or grows too powerful. They play powers against each other rather then attack them directly and have only undertaken military action when they felt directly threatened (the Dominion War). If forced to compare them to a race in D&D, I'd say that the Romulans are much closer to a Lawful Evil one like the duergar then a Neutral/Chaotic Evil one like the drow. Even that is flimsy... Point of fact, I'm not even sure if I'd call them evil at all. Aggressive and underhanded, yes, but this does not immediately equate to 'evil.' Humans = Humans Vulcans = Elves or Kalashtar Romulans = Drow Klingons = Hobgoblins Ferengi = Goblins (because they're pests) or Gnomes (because they love money) Jem'Hadar = Warforged (built for war) Changelings = Changelings Prophets and Pah Wraiths = Quori (Kalashtar vs. Inspired) Hmm. Me... Humans = Humans. Duh Vulcans = Kalashtar. There is little in common between elves and Vulcans aside from the ears. Romulans = Romulans. There is no real D&D race that compares. Klingons = Hobgoblins. This is a good comparison. Ferengi = Goblins. Probably the best just at that. Goblins love moeny too. Jem'Hadar = Warforged. But then, I didn't watch much DS9 Changelings = Mind Flayers. Comparing them to Eberron's Changelings based simply on name and similar abilities is a fallacy. With the Illithids, you get that determination to control and the means to do it, though the methods vary somewhat. Prophets and Pah Wraiths = Quori (Kalashtar vs. Inspired) But again, little DS9 experience.
Spikes01k 02-14-07, 10:57 AM	Klingons scream more "Half-orc" to me. You'd need to tweak them a bit, but I don't think they quite fit Dwarves. Second!
Melpomene 02-14-07, 11:51 AM	If the Jem'Hadar are Warforged, what does that make Borg? And does Q have a divine rank?
Joseph_Silver 02-14-07, 01:21 PM	The Q have divine ranks. I equate the Jem'Hadar with the Warforged because they were created as war machines and they share a lot of similar traits. 1. Both do not need sleep. 2. Both were made for war. 3. Both are physically superior to humans. Borg = Illithid Illithid reproduce by turning other creatures into illithids. They basically implant their larvae (nanoprobes) into living hosts. The larvae consume their hosts' brains and basically take over the now-dead hosts' bodies. The vast majority of illithid use human hosts, because they offer the best results. One could argue that the changelings of Star Trek are the formians of D&D. Changelings and formians are not evil; they just wish to bring order to a chaotic universe/multiverse.
Finfreeze 02-14-07, 04:12 PM	On a side note, the Nerve Pinch feat from the d20 future rules is a shoo-in for a vulcan-esque race. NERVE PINCH You can incapacitate foes with a vicelike pinch. Prerequisites: Combat Martial Arts, base attack bonus +4. Benefit: You make an unarmed attack against a living creature. If the attack succeeds, the target takes no damage but must succeed on a Fortitude save (DC 10 + one-half your character level + your Strength modifier) or be paralyzed for 1d4+1 rounds. If the target’s attack of opportunity hits you and deals damage, the nerve pinch automatically fails. Special: This ability does not work on creatures without nervous systems or discernible anatomies, such as oozes and plants.
pukunui 02-14-07, 04:17 PM	RE: Klingons, I am inclined to agree with the OP. Hobgoblins work because their "highly ordered martial society" flavor fits best with that of the klingons. We've never really seen much oppression within the Romulan Star EmpireIgnoring the oppression of the entire Reman race, of course ... :rolleyes: I guess you've never seen Star Trek: Nemesis. Borg = Illithid Illithid reproduce by turning other creatures into illithids. They basically implant their larvae (nanoprobes) into living hosts. The larvae consume their hosts' brains and basically take over the now-dead hosts' bodies. The vast majority of illithid use human hosts, because they offer the best results.Technically, yes ... but the borg are at least half machine, whereas illithids are 100% squishy bits. I think to really capture the flavor better, you'd need to come up with some sort of warforged/illithid cross ...
Dragonbait 02-14-07, 05:09 PM	Maybe the question is: Should one look for a comparison based soley on physical appearance and abilities, or on social and psychological? Trying to get both is probably very, very difficult, but focusing on one over the other makes things easier.
Richmud 02-14-07, 05:31 PM	Technically, yes ... but the borg are at least half machine, whereas illithids are 100% squishy bits. I think to really capture the flavor better, you'd need to come up with some sort of warforged/illithid cross ... So half-golem illithids?
Darth Syntax 02-14-07, 06:17 PM	Maybe the question is: Should one look for a comparison based soley on physical appearance and abilities, or on social and psychological? Trying to get both is probably very, very difficult, but focusing on one over the other makes things easier. Generally I would say that social and psychological patterning would be better. This is why I think the Gith peoples work well for the Romulans/Vulcans. Both sets of beings are presented as being closely related to each other, and possess a deep antipathy towards the other. The Romulans/Githyanki are highly militaristic, expansionist, and have egos the size of small moons. The Vulcans/Githzerai are psionic, disciplined, not the friendliest people but not generally evil, tough minded, mystics, and dedicated to a very strict philosophy. The connection fairly well writes itself. The same goes for my equation of Hobgoblins with the Cardassians. The Cardassians are very organized (think of the filing systems, the complex legal system, and the vastly powerful state) to the point of obsession. Hobgoblins are supposedly LE, so this equation fits rather well. The prevailing klingon association just doesn't work all that well, as Klingon society is (to me at any rate) either CN or CE. Hobgoblins work better as the 'efficient, scheming, fascists' than the 'brutal, bombastic, warriors'
pukunui 02-14-07, 06:48 PM	Generally I would say that social and psychological patterning would be better. This is why I think the Gith peoples work well for the Romulans/Vulcans. Both sets of beings are presented as being closely related to each other, and possess a deep antipathy towards the other. The Romulans/Githyanki are highly militaristic, expansionist, and have egos the size of small moons. The Vulcans/Githzerai are psionic, disciplined, not the friendliest people but not generally evil, tough minded, mystics, and dedicated to a very strict philosophy. The connection fairly well writes itself. The same goes for my equation of Hobgoblins with the Cardassians. The Cardassians are very organized (think of the filing systems, the complex legal system, and the vastly powerful state) to the point of obsession. Hobgoblins are supposedly LE, so this equation fits rather well. The prevailing klingon association just doesn't work all that well, as Klingon society is (to me at any rate) either CN or CE. Hobgoblins work better as the 'efficient, scheming, fascists' than the 'brutal, bombastic, warriors'Well, when you put it like that ... it really does seem to work. How about Remans = duergar?
Rogue Shadows 02-15-07, 10:18 AM	Ignoring the oppression of the entire Reman race, of course ... I guess you've never seen Star Trek: Nemesis. No, I did. I was disappointed to. Should have been...so good...but it...SUCKED... But many races keep slaves. Duergar, hobgoblins, bugbears, goblins, kobolds, gnolls, drow, illithids, aboleths... I was talking about the actual populace of the race, itself. Romulans themselves don't seem to be overly oppressed. Generally I would say that social and psychological patterning would be better. This is why I think the Gith peoples work well for the Romulans/Vulcans. Both sets of beings are presented as being closely related to each other, and possess a deep antipathy towards the other. The Romulans/Githyanki are highly militaristic, expansionist, and have egos the size of small moons. The Vulcans/Githzerai are psionic, disciplined, not the friendliest people but not generally evil, tough minded, mystics, and dedicated to a very strict philosophy. The connection fairly well writes itself. It is a good comparison, but again...Romulans have a completely different way of going about their lives then the Yanks. Plus they're not expansionist, unless the Star Empire needs to grow. Again: The Romulan Star Empire is kept precisely as big as it needs to be. No more, no less. The same goes for my equation of Hobgoblins with the Cardassians. The Cardassians are very organized (think of the filing systems, the complex legal system, and the vastly powerful state) to the point of obsession. Hobgoblins are supposedly LE, so this equation fits rather well. The prevailing klingon association just doesn't work all that well, as Klingon society is (to me at any rate) either CN or CE. Hobgoblins work better as the 'efficient, scheming, fascists' than the 'brutal, bombastic, warriors' This works, as well. I was trying to think up a Nazi-esque race for the Cardassians - that's what they're blatantly inspired by - but I couldn't think of one besides hobos. Hmm. Klingons might work better as drow, actually. They fit basically everything, except for the 'honor' part. Even that fits if you use use the Original Series Klingons rather then the more modern variation.
Dragonborn 02-15-07, 12:30 PM	The Borg-I think the Borg work best with modified a Half-Golem (perhaps spread by disease or poison). Changelings-I believe there is a shapechanging Ooze in the Monster Manual that fits their abilities fairly well. Vulcans-I've always thought that Meanads were the most like Vulcans, but the Gith comparison makes sense as well. Klingons-Orcs or Half-Orcs make the most sense to me here.
pukunui 02-15-07, 01:39 PM	No, I did. I was disappointed to. Should have been...so good...but it...SUCKED...Really? I liked it. I wasn't as good as it could have been (like, if they'd left a number of pertinent scenes in that they ended up deleting) but it was still good ... even with the obvious Wrath of Khan overtones. My one quibble is when Picard tells Shinzon that they've got the same heart. I guess the writers (including Brent Spiner) forgot that Picard has an artificial heart? :P
pres_man 02-15-07, 04:45 PM	Changelings-I believe there is a shapechanging Ooze in the Monster Manual that fits their abilities fairly well. Phasm When faced with potential danger, a phasm is equally likely to retreat, parley, or attack, as its fancy strikes. If pursued or harassed, a phasm transforms into the most fearsome creature it knows and attacks. When seriously hurt, it changes to some fast or agile form and tries to escape. Amorphous (Ex): A phasm in its natural form has immunity to poison, sleep, paralysis, polymorph, and stunning effects. It is not subject to critical hits and, having no clear front or back, cannot be flanked. Resilient (Ex): A phasm has a +4 racial bonus on Fortitude and Reflex saves (included in the statistics block). Alternate Form (Su): A phasm can assume any form of Large size or smaller as a standard action. This ability functions as a polymorph spell cast on itself (caster level 15th), except that the phasm does not regain hit points for changing form. A phasm can remain in its alternate form until it chooses to assume a new one or return to its natural form.
pres_man 02-15-07, 04:48 PM	My one quibble is when Picard tells Shinzon that they've got the same heart. I guess the writers (including Brent Spiner) forgot that Picard has an artificial heart? :P Maybe Picard meant his is sitting on the bookshelf in a jar is all.
pukunui 02-15-07, 05:10 PM	Maybe Picard meant his is sitting on the bookshelf in a jar is all.The context rules that out.
Joseph_Silver 02-15-07, 05:17 PM	Nemesis was the worse Star Trek film ever, by the way, so let's not use it as an example.
pukunui 02-15-07, 05:22 PM	Nemesis was the worse Star Trek film ever, by the way, so let's not use it as an example. Are you telling me you find Star Trek: The Motion Picture more enjoyable than Nemesis?
pres_man 02-15-07, 08:22 PM	Are you telling me you find Star Trek: The Motion Picture more enjoyable than Nemesis? Yes. Heck the Final Frontier (the one about finding god) was better, and that one was badddd.
pukunui 02-15-07, 08:39 PM	Why do people hate Nemesis so much? I don't think it's at all bad (it's not great but I wouldn't say it's bad either). And if you knew me at all, you'd know that I'm a terribly discerning person who doesn't like just any old thing ... I would choose to watch Nemesis over The Motion Picture, and possibly even The Final Frontier, any day. The Motion Picture is mind-numbingly boring. Hell, the first 3 minutes of the movie is just music and the Windows flying-through-space screen saver!
Lord_Tirian 02-15-07, 08:48 PM	Are you telling me you find Star Trek: The Motion Picture more enjoyable than Nemesis? Hmmm... perhaps. But ST:V was obviously the worst of the sort... gosh. My one quibble is when Picard tells Shinzon that they've got the same heart. I guess the writers (including Brent Spiner) forgot that Picard has an artificial heart? :PAnd... this Galaxy Quest Moment :rofl: (Riker on this wonky bridge!) But don't get me started on absurdities in ST:X, like Fighter racing through completely empty starship... or using this Argo-Car with this "To Hell with the Prime Directive"-attitude through other civilizations! ;) PhasmDitto. Only thing that resembles the tremendous shapeshifting powers of the Founders. Borg... their physiology is hard to represent... but I (personally) think that their attitude has some similarities with either the Clockwork Horrors or the Neogi (both of course in a Spelljammer-context!)
ArisenFromTheDead 02-15-07, 08:53 PM	Hmmm... perhaps. But ST:V was obviously the worst of the sort... gosh. And... this Galaxy Quest Moment :rofl: (Riker on this wonky bridge!) But don't get me started on absurdities in ST:X, like Fighter racing through completely empty starship... or using this Argo-Car with this "To Hell with the Prime Directive"-attitude through other civilizations! ;) Ditto. Only thing that resembles the tremendous shapeshifting powers of the Founders. Hey, let's not bring Pokemon into this.
Lord_Tirian 02-15-07, 08:59 PM	Hey, let's not bring Pokemon into this. Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Ditto): 1. the aforesaid; the above; the same Not a PokéMon, a word of approval concerning the Phasm ;)
ArisenFromTheDead 02-15-07, 09:02 PM	Which is ironic considering what the pokemon in question is...
Melpomene 02-15-07, 09:13 PM	Just don't go looking for the thread about Pokemon-gijinka as playable characters...
samusco 02-15-07, 09:24 PM	I love star trek.... and D&D but both together..... oh well, that what D&D is all about right? Making up new stuff. BTW never play wit the D%D toy things.... It limits game play. I don't care what other people say... IT DOES!!!
Rogue Shadows 02-16-07, 09:37 AM	If I abandon all my expectations about Nemesis, it becomes decent enough. But the problem is, I went in thinking that it was going to be a Romulan movie concerned primarily Romulans...and it wasn't. Nemesis could have just as easily featured Klingons, Cardassians, or friggin' Ferengi, and still accomplished the same goal. I actually enjoy The Motion Picture, primarily because I don't look at it as a movie, so much as the pilot for a whole new TV series. That's what it was supposed to be: the pilot for Star Trek: Phase II. At the last minute it was changed into a movie. The Final Frontier was definitely the worst Trek movie. Ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh. Generally, this is how I list them for me. 1. Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country 2. Star Trek: First Contact 3. Star Trek II: The Wrath of KHAAAAAAAAAAAN! 4. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home 5. Star Trek: Generations 6. Star Trek: Nemesis 7. Star Trek: The Motion Picture 8. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock 9. Star Trek: Insurrection 10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
pukunui 02-16-07, 02:29 PM	I recently got this at a hideously discounted price: http://www.digitalhome.com.au/images/store/0006953_158x222.jpg It's been a long time since I've seen any of them, so it's been kinda fun so far. It's really revived the Trekker in me. :P I would rate the movies in only slightly different order: 1. Star Trek VIII: First Contact 2. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country 3. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan 4. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home 5. Star Trek VII: Generations 6. Star Trek X: Nemesis 7. Star Trek IX: Insurrection 8. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock 9. Star Trek: The Motion Picture 10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier EDIT: Ugh, I just watched The Final Frontier last night. I'd forgotten just how truly horrible it is ... :gah: It makes Nemesis look like a masterpiece. If I abandon all my expectations about Nemesis, it becomes decent enough. But the problem is, I went in thinking that it was going to be a Romulan movie concerned primarily Romulans...and it wasn't. Nemesis could have just as easily featured Klingons, Cardassians, or friggin' Ferengi, and still accomplished the same goal.Ah, see, I guess I didn't have any expectations when I saw it. And I kind of enjoyed the film's departures from the norm - Picard letting loose with the dune buggy and such. It was fun. I actually enjoy The Motion Picture, primarily because I don't look at it as a movie, so much as the pilot for a whole new TV series. That's what it was supposed to be: the pilot for Star Trek: Phase II. At the last minute it was changed into a movie.Even as a pilot for a new series, it's still dreadfully boring. The fx crew had just come off Close Encounters and the producers were inspired by 2001 ... all three are horribly, horribly boring 70s sci-fi sleepers. I don't understand how anyone was able to sit through those movies in the theater! EDIT: Sorry if I've derailed the thread!!
Rogue Shadows 02-17-07, 09:21 AM	Not technically derailing. We're still talking about Trek
Asadeseth 02-17-07, 02:53 PM	Personaly I some what equate Borg = Ether Ghaunt or Clockwork Horror, granted nether assimalate others, but still As for Klingons, I've alwase considered Hobgoblins the Klingons of D&D, but there are a few problems. One Hobgoblins are LE and you know actualy HAVE honor, Klingons are NE and mostly TALK about honor. There are some Klingons in ST that do actualy have honor, but they seem to be overshadowed buy those who only ever talk about it or are blatently CE. The Cardassians are a somewhat good compairison for Hobgoblins too, but I genraly see the Hobgoblins are more physical, while the Cardassians are genraly more cerebral. Oh and I DO place Vulkans with elves, but Tolken Elves not D&D elves. Why? Because both are obviusly the authers pet race. oh and 1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Tectorman 02-22-07, 10:23 AM	oh and 1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan First off, I second that. Second, Nemesis definitely wasn't the best, but (opening can of worms) I think ya'll are giving Generations waaaaaay more credit than it's due. To paraphrase (since I don't remember the exact quote) a wise man, "Kirk died reaching for the remote? What the heck?!" And finally, Dwarves: loyalty to clan, civilization concerned with expansion and resources (from a certain point of view, Races of Stone does support this), resistant to poisons, military society. Klingons: loyalty to house, civilization concerned with expansion and resources (case in point, Praxis), military society, and they drink human-killing poisons like we drink tea. Thus, Klingon = Dwarf.
Soltares 02-25-07, 12:04 PM	Are you telling me you find Star Trek: The Motion Picture more enjoyable than Nemesis? ST:tMP is my second favorite, after Wrath of Khan. The Voyage Home and Generations were decent. Nemesis, Insurrection and the Final Frontier were abysmal. For my games the Orcs definitely had a Klingon vibe, all about strength and honor to your face, all about betrayal and poison and backstabbing the second you turned away. Vulcans would fit better with the Tolkein interpretation of elves. Long-lived, stronger, faster, smarter, cooler-in-every-way, more advanced and kinda snooty. Ferengi as Goblins is actually kinda cool, particularly in settings were Goblins are less monsters and more PC-ish (like GURPS Goblins or the goblin-bankers of the Harry Potter universe).
Ryusage 02-25-07, 12:20 PM	Star TrekD&DpokemonHarry PotterNever did I ever think I would see all of these mentioned in the same thread. Anywhere.:hides:
Alder_Fiter_Galaz 02-25-07, 12:24 PM	I wonder if all vulcans really can mind meld, or only some gifted individuals.
Rogue Shadows 02-27-07, 10:04 AM	All Vulcans, according to what we've heard and seen in Star Trek. Though, this depends on the era. In Enterprise, most didn't realize they could, and it was seen as distasteful, anyway.
Melpomene 02-27-07, 11:36 AM	If you were going to include it in D&D, it'd probably be a feat. All Vulcans 'can' do it, they just, you know, need to work up to it.
Soltares 02-27-07, 12:20 PM	All Vulcans 'can' do it, they just, you know, need to work up to it. You should really at least make them buy you dinner first.
Return of the Flumph 02-27-07, 03:23 PM	I don't think any of the Star Trek races are really perfect parallels for DnD ones, but here's the best I can do: Cardassians: These are the easiests to place: Hobgoblins. Lawful evil police state, militarized culture, tall and vaguely reptilian looking, bingo. Vulcans: Other than the pointy ears and long lifespan, they really have little in common with elves. I suppose Githzerai works best, especially with the psionics. That would make the Romulans into Githyanki then, I suppose. Betazoids: Sexy, peaceful humanoids with telepathic abilities? Kalashtar. Klingons: Physically strong, chaotic society with (at least earlier in their history) evil tendencies, strong warrior culture. Klingons are orcs. Ferengi: These guys are tricky. Small, highly intelligent race with a strongly capitalistic culture and (usually) chaotic neutral alignment. And they're immune to telepathy. I really am not sure about them. Borg: I agree with whoever said that the borg are illithids, because that is what they are. Remans: I know, Nemesis sucked, but the Remans were really cool, so they deserve attention. Physically strong and psionic, they live underground and hate bright light...Duergar?
Jerks 02-27-07, 03:49 PM	I'd actually have to rate Nemesis at the bottom of the stack. ST V: The Final Frontier actually had moments I enjoyed; although, I feel that the sum of the movie was less than some of its parts. The emotions expressed in V were some of the best in the series. Nemesis was just off. It sacrificed characters in name of story at every opportunity and did it for a stupid story at that. The Remans looked like Nosferatu and seemed out of place the whole movie. Worf said that the Romulans fought with honor? Worf's entire childhood community and parents were killed by Romulans. His family was dishonored because of that same conspiracy. He had to mindwipe his brother so that he didn't kill himself because of the dishonor. He is AT NOT TIME going to give props to Romulans. As far as Klingons go, I think that the honor-bound nature of society doesn't fit Orc very well. They have a complicate sense of honor and plenty of ways to get around it, thus indicating a societal LE nature. Duergar might actually be a good model for Klingons. Lawful and with prevelant use of cloaking devices.
Return of the Flumph 02-27-07, 04:01 PM	I'd actually have to rate Nemesis at the bottom of the stack. ST V: The Final Frontier actually had moments I enjoyed; although, I feel that the sum of the movie was less than some of its parts. The emotions expressed in V were some of the best in the series. Nemesis was just off. It sacrificed characters in name of story at every opportunity and did it for a stupid story at that. The Remans looked like Nosferatu and seemed out of place the whole movie. Worf said that the Romulans fought with honor? Worf's entire childhood community and parents were killed by Romulans. His family was dishonored because of that same conspiracy. He had to mindwipe his brother so that he didn't kill himself because of the dishonor. He is AT NOT TIME going to give props to Romulans. As far as Klingons go, I think that the honor-bound nature of society doesn't fit Orc very well. They have a complicate sense of honor and plenty of ways to get around it, thus indicating a societal LE nature. Duergar might actually be a good model for Klingons. Lawful and with prevelant use of cloaking devices. Klingons aren't lawful. They FIGHT IN THE HALLS, for god's sake! Orcs are often portrayed as having traditions and honor codes they obey, even if their society is chaotic. Klingons are much the same way.
Rogue Shadows 02-27-07, 04:06 PM	I'd actually have to rate Nemesis at the bottom of the stack. ST V: The Final Frontier actually had moments I enjoyed; although, I feel that the sum of the movie was less than some of its parts. The emotions expressed in V were some of the best in the series. Nemesis was just off. It sacrificed characters in name of story at every opportunity and did it for a stupid story at that. The Remans looked like Nosferatu and seemed out of place the whole movie. Worf said that the Romulans fought with honor? Worf's entire childhood community and parents were killed by Romulans. His family was dishonored because of that same conspiracy. He had to mindwipe his brother so that he didn't kill himself because of the dishonor. He is AT NOT TIME going to give props to Romulans. In spite of the movie, I actually have no problem with the Remans whatsoever. Here's why. In The Original Series, Spock states that no Federation member has ever seen a Romulan. This is because back during the war with the Romulans, there was no viewscreen technology. However, today we have viewscreen technology, let alone in the 2100s. So what the heck? How do they retcon away as major a plot point as that? Easy. SCENE: The Bridge of NX-01 Enterprise, near the end of the Romulan War and shortly following the Battle of Earth. The Battle has been a Federated (Human-Andorian-Tellarite; the Vulcans have not yet entered the war for unknown reasons) victory, but costly, and the Romulans still potentially have fight left in them. However, their fleet is weakened as well. Now, at the edge of the Sol system, as the two fleet stare each other down... Hoshi: Captain...we're being hailed. Archer: By who? Hoshi: Sir...its the lead Romulan vessel. Archer...[taking this in. Throughout the entire war, there have been no communications with any Romulan vessels, and all Romulan vessels damaged elected to destroy themselves utterly rather than allow prisoners to be taken]. Put them on screen. The viewscreen ahead flickers a little - Enterprise has taken damage - before we get an unsteady image of a hidious creature, humanoid in shape but with bat-like features. Arhcer: [Standing] So you finally want to talk face-to-face Creature in viewscreen: [coldly] My masters will not deign to speak with you. I am Reman...and I am presenting terms of surrender. Malcolm: Now? [little laugh] I thought Romulans didn't surrender. Reman: You misunderstand, Terran. These are the terms under which you will surrender. -------------------------- And so forth. I actually have an entire plot synopsis prepared for a trilogy of movies chronicling the Federation-Romulan war...and I even (convincingly) worked Q into it! Also, I was able to get the Xindi in. In fact, it's the Xindi that serve as the catalyst for the war to begin with...
Alpha_Moose 03-07-07, 06:06 PM	What about species 8472? They seem to be kinda like trolls, but smarter. The borg are hard to do, so I would try to make a template for them if I included them. They do seem like a cross between illithids and formians. And yes, Q has Alter Reality as a SDA. That's all they need. What did he say his IQ was though? Like 2000 something?