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| Evil Succubus Evaligan02-20-07, 11:45 AM | Hi. Some doubs about Succubus... What result from a crossbreeding between a Succubus and a Erinyes? :confused: Succubus is demon and Erinyes is devil. Yes I know that two races hate each other. But both use charm monster and suggestion against the other fiend. How these two spell-like abilities work at same time? Both obtain the same initiative when roll a 1d20 dice... both success the spell-resistance of the other fiend and both fails the Will saving thrown against the other fiend. Both are females and both pregnant each other. Please... don't ask me how happend that. :embarrass (some not official spells that transforms females in males for a very short time). I only want know the stats. So I need applied the half-fiend (Succubus) template to a Erinyes and a half-fiend (Erinyes) template to a Succubus? Another question... If succubus and male vampire... what result of that? I see the half-vampire template in Libris Mortis but only works in monstrous humanoid. So I need add the half-vampire template to the half-fiend (succubus) template? If the vampire was a male Elf... I need add the half-vampire + half-fiend (sucucbus) template to the base (elf) creature or only the half-fiend template? A succubus and nymph crossbreeding... I need add the half-fiend (succubus) template to a nymph or the half-nymph template to a succubus? In a cross between mind flayer with a succubus. Is... half-illithid succubus or half-fiend (succubus) mind flayer? Why many question about the succubus? We are in a campaing of "Blood War" and all players are succubus. @_@ |
| runestar02-20-07, 11:54 AM | I guess it would just result in a variant half-fiend template applied to either fiend(you decide who the mother is).:P Customized Half-Fiend Template * Size and Type: Medium outsider * Speed: Batlike wings that fold back, fly 30 ft. (average) * Armor Class: +2 natural armor improvement * Attack: No change since succubi and hags have claws * Damage: No change * Special Attacks: smite good, 1-2 HD detect thoughts 3/day, 3-4 HD suggestion 1/day * Special Qualities: darkvision 60 ft., immune to poison, acid/cold/electric/fire resistance 10, DR 5/good, SR 13 (but the sea hag has SR 14 already) * Abilities: Increase from the base creature as follows: Str +2, Dex +2, Int +4, Cha +8 * Skills: 10 skill points per (HD+3); add Bluff, Concentration, Diplomacy, Disguise, Escape Artist, Intimidate, Move Silently, and Search as class skills * Challenge Rating: +2 http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060630x&page=3 Only problem is that I see a lot of overlap of abilities, so the new offspring isn't really going to be any different from either parents, save for the significant stat bonuses. |
| Naderion02-20-07, 03:49 PM | I'd say all these cross-breeds are not possible. Demons are mad from the stuff of Chaos, Devils are made out of Law. Both would nullify each other, so no live can be created. A succubus-nympyh could be possible, but that would most likely just be half-fiend nymph. A succubus-illithid-crossbreed would not work, because illithids do not reproduce by mating and are genderless-creatures. A "real" illithid is a small leech, that is implanted into a humanoids brain. Then it eats out the brain and kind of wears the brain-dead body as a permanent suit, that changes shape over time. To create fiendish illithids, you'd somehow have to add fiendish DNA into an illithid toadpole. It's stated that mal succubi are called incubi, but I would make it, that these are in fact the same creatures and they have the ability to change from male to female as they want. May sound icky to some people, but they are demons, they don't care. :D |
| skydin02-22-07, 10:44 PM | yes but doesnt it say somewhere in the succubus description somewhere that they can mate successfully with just about anything?im not sure if i have this right but they could have half-rock babies if they tried,which would overcome the demon/devil thing and make the ilithid thing somehow possible.but again,i could be wrong...now im thinking bad things.mmm. |
| skydin02-22-07, 10:51 PM | yes but doesnt it say somewhere in the succubus description somewhere that they can mate successfully with just about anything?im not sure if i have this right but they could have half-rock babies if they tried,which would overcome the demon/devil thing and make the ilithid thing somehow possible.but again,i could be wrong...now im thinking bad things.mmm. |
| DarknessEternal02-22-07, 11:58 PM | Both obtain the same initiative when roll a 1d20 dice.. There are no ties in D&D's initiative system. |
| kelvinaw27302-23-07, 02:23 AM | I don't think the Erinyes / Succubus cross is in any way viable. They hate each other just too much. |
| Thomar_of_Uointer02-23-07, 02:40 AM | ...and that is where 'loths come from! :D |
| Evil Succubus Evaligan02-23-07, 04:21 AM | I don't think the Erinyes / Succubus cross is in any way viable. They hate each other just too much. Really? And her spell-like abilities like charm monster and suggestion? You never played with a succubus? I always have a Nymph and Erinyes cohort with my Succubus (if my succubus is ECL18 or more for the Erinyes, and ECL 15 for the Nymph). I love collect monsters as cohort with my Leadership feat. Why I like the Erinyes as cohort? Because they have charm monster and suggestion too and they also are good in meele. As well they make a nice group with the succubus and the nymph. They succubus can cross with anything... (maybe even celestials) and the erinyes can cross with anything too. So why they can't cross each other? Both are seductive, and both lure mortals to their damnation. They have many things in common. Because they hate each other? I always put to my enemies to kill each other and when I see some foe that can serve I enslave that foe. Is more humiliating for an Erinyes to serve, worship and love a Succubus than to die by a Succubus. "There are no ties in D&D's initiative system." Succubus character: Dex 20 =5 mod DEX, Iniciative = 5 + 1d20, the dice roll 10, so Iniciative 15. Erinyes monster Iniciative= 5 +1d20, the dice roll 10, so Iniciative = 15. Is a tie... and they re-roll iniciatives two times more and the others two times they always have a tie again, It was very funny... so... the DM say TIE. So both attack in the same turn. Initiative Checks: At the start of a battle, each combatant makes an initiative check. An initiative check is a Dexterity check. Each character applies his or her Dexterity modifier to the roll. Characters act in order, counting down from highest result to lowest. In every round that follows, the characters act in the same order (unless a character takes an action that results in his or her initiative changing; see Special Initiative Actions). If two or more combatants have the same initiative check result, the combatants who are tied act in order of total initiative modifier (highest first). If there is still a tie, the tied characters should roll again to determine which one of them goes before the other. Anyhow it already pass and it is not my problem. I am only a player in that campaign. |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi02-23-07, 11:29 AM | There's only one I have a definite answer for. You get a half-illithid succubus, and NOT a half-fiend illithid. Illithids don't reproduce normally. They jam a tadpole into your skull, have it feast on your brain, and then transform you. If an illithid does that to a succubus, it's a half-illithid fiend. I'm not sure if there's any sort of breeding that could produce a half-fiend illithid. If anything, if a half-illithid succubus were to spawn tadpoles, I'd guess they'd create half-fiend illithids. Or else fiendish illithids, which could then upgrade a fiendish creature to full half-fiend during ceremorphosis. At least, this is how it makes sense to me, and that's how I'd DM it. I guess there's room for other interpretation. But this is my story and I'm sticking to it. |
| Argaud02-23-07, 11:39 AM | I'd say all these cross-breeds are not possible. Demons are mad from the stuff of Chaos, Devils are made out of Law. Both would nullify each other, so no live can be created. There are precedents of Devil/Demons crossbreeds, though. The Cathezar in the Bastion of Broken Souls adventure module, for instance (seems to be a very powerful Marilith/Chain Devil crossbreed). A succubus-nympyh could be possible, but that would most likely just be half-fiend nymph. Correct. The Outsider Template dominates the Fey Template. The rules to create strange crossbreeds are in Savage Species. A succubus-illithid-crossbreed would not work, because illithids do not reproduce by mating and are genderless-creatures. A "real" illithid is a small leech, that is implanted into a humanoids brain. Then it eats out the brain and kind of wears the brain-dead body as a permanent suit, that changes shape over time. To create fiendish illithids, you'd somehow have to add fiendish DNA into an illithid toadpole. Not really. Outsiders (and dragons too) are very magical creatures and can breed with living creatures even in the weirdest situations. It is also perfectly possible to gain the half-fiend template due to dark magical or psionic experiements, or curses, of course. |
| Dragoloth02-23-07, 10:33 PM | There are no ties in initiative. On a duplicate result as in your 15's you would check to see who has a higher dex. If the dex scores are equal you compare strength scores the higher wins. |
| enygmatic_me02-24-07, 02:43 AM | It may just be me, but I think the fact that the Succubus and the Erinyes are both female has been over looked here. Simple fix, Incubus and Erinyes breeding. I don't see why an Incubus and a Erinyes couldn't mate. They are both evil and that would be the commonality most needed in my opinion. The fact that one is lawful and one is chaotic could be handled in a few ways. The offspring's alignment could be determined by the parents HD, CR, gender, what ever makes sense for the individual campaign. You could also say the opposing forces within the offspring find a balance and produce a Neutral Evil half-breed that will one day betray both the devils and demons in an attempt to gain control of both realms, probably starting with it's parents. |
| Andyr02-24-07, 08:40 AM | IIRC Erinyes (and all female Devils) are sterile, though that may have been retconned... |
| Treymordin02-24-07, 10:09 AM | In the new DRAGON magazine there is finally the incubus in print. |
| Sudnji_cas02-25-07, 07:52 AM | Hi. Some doubs about Succubus... What result from a crossbreeding between a Succubus and a Erinyes? :confused: Succubus is demon and Erinyes is devil. Yes I know that two races hate each other. But both use charm monster and suggestion against the other fiend. How these two spell-like abilities work at same time? Both obtain the same initiative when roll a 1d20 dice... both success the spell-resistance of the other fiend and both fails the Will saving thrown against the other fiend. Both are females and both pregnant each other. Please... don't ask me how happend that. :embarrass (some not official spells that transforms females in males for a very short time). I only want know the stats. So I need applied the half-fiend (Succubus) template to a Erinyes and a half-fiend (Erinyes) template to a Succubus? Another question... If succubus and male vampire... what result of that? I see the half-vampire template in Libris Mortis but only works in monstrous humanoid. So I need add the half-vampire template to the half-fiend (succubus) template? If the vampire was a male Elf... I need add the half-vampire + half-fiend (sucucbus) template to the base (elf) creature or only the half-fiend template? A succubus and nymph crossbreeding... I need add the half-fiend (succubus) template to a nymph or the half-nymph template to a succubus? In a cross between mind flayer with a succubus. Is... half-illithid succubus or half-fiend (succubus) mind flayer? Why many question about the succubus? We are in a campaing of "Blood War" and all players are succubus. @_@ :uh-huh: You are a sick, sick person... |
| Evil Succubus Evaligan02-26-07, 04:41 PM | :uh-huh: You are a sick, sick person... Why? Its more interesting for me than see... half-orcs width half-elves or drow with elf or drow with duergar or orcs with drow... and many others crossbreeds. Not all players love play with humans, elves, orcs or dwarves. I am tired of that standard races. How many elves want create? We have moon elves, sun elves, drow, aquatic elves, winged elves, wild elves, artic elves and many other elves. I want see more prestige class for monsters and more monster feats like Savage Species. For example... in Fiendish Codex I and II. I really not see very good feats for demon or devils... I only see more feats for thielflings and standard players. I found more useful feats for the succubus in Libris Mortis (improved energy drain) or Heroes of Horror (Toutch of Taint). Maybe because that feats are used by more monsters like undead. Soul Eater, Fiend of Corruption and Fiend of Possession are good choices for a succubys... but I really like see some prestige class exclusive for the succubus with more use of her Charisma. I create some prestige class for the Succubus... but maybe some people find that prestige class very unbalanced if you use that prestige class against a paladin and other normal players. For example... add her Charisma modifier to Armor Class and all saves. Using her charisma for break the spell resistance of a foe, improvind her energy drain kiss, some bonuses in Bluff, Diplomacy and Perform. Improving hers charm and suggestion spell-like abilities, maybe a death attack like a "Kiss of Death" supernatural ability, improving their possession ability, special attacks that deals Wis, charms against undead, some spell-like abilities like geas, morality undone, remorless charm, mind rape and many others things for improve their natural abilities and charms. I am agree with the "Half-Illithid Succubus". The Illithid don't reproduce by sex. They use the ceremorphosis in Lords of Madness. Sorry. I was confused by the half-illithid template of Fiend Folio. |
| Yar02-26-07, 04:59 PM | Well i think the erines sucubus is posible. I remember there being a half Kyton (Devil) half Maralith (Demon) Somewhere. So erines/sucubus hybrid can happen. Its just not likely. yar |
| Aeolius02-26-07, 05:05 PM | As I stated in another thread, in my games succubi and erinyes are both daughters of night hags, by demon and devil fathers respectively. Night hags also give birth to greenhags (by human fathers (DRAGON #125)), asura (by celestial fathers), and a few of my own design; the woodhag, salt hag, naelle, blood demodand, and a few others. ;) Greenhags, in turn, give birth to annis (by ogre fathers), sea hags (by merrow fathers), dune hags and frost hags (by wasteland and frost troll fathers), and a few of my own design, like the shoal hag (by scrag fathers). The woodhags have harridan daughters. The salt hags have oceanid daughters, etc etc etc... It makes for a most amusing family tree. :D |
| Melpomene02-27-07, 11:50 AM | Succubi/Erinyes: As stated, there are strikes against it. 1.) The two not only hate each other, but are elementally opposed to one another. While certain exceptions exist (the quickest way to find something in the Abyss is to say it doesn't exist) the negation of the offspring is the most likely situation. 2.) Devils do tend towards sterility. 3.) To create a viable offspring, a creature of any type needs the approval of its creator god, either actively or passively. It is doubtful that both beings would consent to the union. (Powerful magic can overcome disconsent, of course.) Vampire: 1.) Undead tend towards sterility. 2.) Undead outsiders are another of those "shouldn't ever happen without *powerful* divine intervention" things. Go ahead and ask Shemenska what she thinks about them. ::grins:: Nymph: 1.) Half-Feind Nymph, as stated. Mind Flayer: 1.) As stated, they are... not normal (abberations in general aren't). They might be able to... enjoy each other's company... but true crossbreeding isn't going to happen the conventional way. 2.) It is true that succubi have strong pulls in reproductive success, but such a union would violate conventional reproductive meathods. 3.) All illithid reproduction is done via the 'fertile' elder brain, a CR 25 (IIRC) being that you'de have to seduce. |
| skydin02-27-07, 08:48 PM | as i said,it seems to me that if a succubus really wants to have a babie,it will happen, no matter what the partner is. so in my opinion,if you want to do it, do it, the sterility is countered by the uber fertility anyway. their magic, they do weird things, big deal. |
| Melpomene02-27-07, 09:21 PM | Well, with Deus ex Magica or Deus ex DM you can say up is down, black is white and kobolds are CR 25. The point is that the existing material doesn't support you (beyond rule 0). |
| Yar02-28-07, 03:28 AM | I dont see why the rules dont suport this. Sure its Slim but by no means imposible. allot of a sucubus/Enrines's traits would be redundant but it could work. Just likly be en evil outsider without the chaotic or lawful aspect of the alignment. yar |