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the_poison_elf 08-05-07, 04:12 PM	Fact in Time WARNING. THIS TEMPLATE IS BASED OFF OF PLOT FROM THE TELEVISION SERIES "Doctor Who" AND "Torchwood". ANYONE NOT CURRENT WITH THE 3RD SEASON OF "Doctor Who" AND THE 1ST SEASON OF "Torchwood" IS ADVISED TO TURN BACK, AS THIS MATERIAL IS POTENTIALLY VERY SPOILER HEAVY. To go with my previous Cyberman interpertation, here's a template based on the predicament of the ever-loveable handsome Captain Jack Harkness of Doctor Who and Torchwood fame. Background: A creature that is a fact in time has no point of death. To put it one way, the "switch" that designates every living creature as "On" (alive) or "Off" (dead) is stuck On permanently. The creature has become a fact in the timeline, something that is never meant to happen. There are (presumably) various ways that this can happen; having an entity suffused in the very essense of Time is one possibility, though extensive experimentations (or accidents) involving temporal magic could do the same. Such a creature cannot die, but then again such a creature supposedly cannot exist in the first place. Given a long enough period of time the being will age, but at only a small fraction of the normal rate. The being also has no upper lifespan, meaning that the being can very likely age into forms unrecognizeable (even barring the unnatural dangers that can be faced in that same time). Time-Fact / Fact in Time [Template] Details: "Time-Fact" is an aquired template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature, hereafter referred to as the base creature. The base creature remains unchanged, except where noted below. Size/Type: Remain unchanged. Special Attacks: Positive Energy Overflow: Creatures that are Facts in Time interact oddly with creatures that feed on or are otherwise sensitive to positive/life energy. Creatures that feed off of the energy of the living (such as vampires, or beings using effects like Vampiric Touch) gain energy from a time-fact creature without harm to it (such as energy drain or energy damage). A time-fact creature can use this to cause harm as well, by sending overpowering waves of positive energy into the creature and at the same time leaving it unable to break the connection. At the time-fact creature's discression, a creature trying to drain energy from it must succeed on a DC (10 + time-fact creature's HD + time-fact creature's Wisdom modifier) Willpower check or be unable to break the connection. While the connection is intact the time-fact creature can do 1d6/HD in positive energy damage every round as a full action. Special Qualities: Immortal: A creature that has become a fact in time is unable to die through natural or unnatural causes. Should the creature be brough to 0 hit points or lower, it for all intents and purposes dies. However, it immediately beguins regenerating hit points at the rate of 5 per minute. When it's hit points rise above zero, the time- fact being regains conciousness. The time-fact creature continues to regenerate at this rate until the blow that killed it, as well as any damage occuring afterwards, but not any other damage that it might have sustained. A time -fact creature still ages, but at 1/100th the rate. Time- fact creatures cannot die of old age, and thier ability scores cannot be lowered below 1 by the effects of ageing. Immunity to Energy Drain and Energy Damage: Time-fact creatures are immune to energy drain and energy damage, and any effect requireing such to work fails if the creature does not allow it to. Abilities: +2 Wis Level Adjustment: +4 Favored Class: Any, though most time-fact creatures gain some levels in a class with a Bardic Knowledge or similar class feature. Aaaaaand here's a "sample" character. Sorry it's a bit brief. Jack, Human Fact in Time, Fighter 4/Rogue 2 Size/Type: Medium Humanoid (Human) Hit Dice: 4d10 + 2d6 + 18 [44hp] Initiative: +2 Speed: 30ft Armor Class: 17 [+2 Dex, "+2 Studded Leather"] BAB/Grapple: +5 Attack: Dagger +7 (1d4+2) or Wand of Magic Missile [CL 1] (1d4+1) Space/Reach: 5ft./5ft. Special A: Positive Energy Overflow, Sneak Attack (+1d6) Special Q: Evasion, Immortal, Immune to Energy Drain, Immune to Energy Damage, Trapfinding Saves: Fort +7, Ref +6, Will +3 Abilities: Str 15, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 21 Skills: Appraise +8, Bluff +9, Climb +7, Craft (metalwork) +8, Diplomacy +10, Handle Animal +5, Intimidate +10, Jump +8, Use Magic Device +17 Feats: Combat Expertise, Improved Initiative, Improved Unarmed Strike, Leadership, Run, Skill Focus (Use Magic Device), Wild Talent Organization: Unique Challenge: 10 Treasure: +2 Studded Leather, +4 Greatcoat of Charisma Alignment: allways Lawful, usually Neutral or Good Advancement: By character class Level Adj.: +4 So now I'll settle back, and try to flesh out a debate as to whether or not this form of "immortality" is going to be feasable. Personally, I'd say that it doesn't do much. Sure, you won't literally die, but in return you're weaker than your opponents because of the LA; they don't have to kill you, just incapacitate you. Then there's more permanent ways of being removed from the game; being caught in a blazing inferno of a house-fire strikes me as one. Since you'd have to regenerate every bit of damage that your remains sustained from the entire fire. If a fire burns for a full night, doing however many dice of damage a round for hours on end, it's going to take a very, very long time to regenerate. By that point, you've probably lost whatever McGuffin the plot was about.
Malaggar 08-07-07, 11:55 AM	How do you account for Jack's death at the end of Gridlock ... at least under his alias The Face of Boe. Malaggar
Ecalsneerg 08-07-07, 02:01 PM	How do you account for Jack's death at the end of Gridlock ... at least under his alias The Face of Boe. Malaggar It isn't a stated, definite fact Jack Harkness is the Face of Boe. It is merely strongly implied :P
Thegans 08-07-07, 02:36 PM	How do you account for Jack's death at the end of Gridlock ... at least under his alias The Face of Boe. Malaggar It isn't a stated, definite fact Jack Harkness is the Face of Boe. It is merely strongly implied :P "It's also possible that he might not be dead. He was transfering his life force into the computer system to power it. Maybe Jack becomes a sentient indestructable computer system. Besides technically he can die in his regular state permanantly it will just take the end of the universe to do it. Well unless its a big crunch then he might have a chance of staying alive but I doubt even he could survive a singularity.
the_poison_elf 08-07-07, 03:18 PM	"It's also possible that he might not be dead. He was transfering his life force into the computer system to power it. Maybe Jack becomes a sentient indestructable computer system. Besides technically he can die in his regular state permanantly it will just take the end of the universe to do it. Well unless its a big crunch then he might have a chance of staying alive but I doubt even he could survive a singularity. Basically my thoughts exactly. It is quite simply stated that he cannot die, and that it is permanent. My guess is that Jack/Boe is not permanently gone at the end of Gridlock. After all, he seemed pretty near dead after the finale of Torchwood, and I'm pretty sure that the Doctor didn't stick around New-to-the-28th York for even the few days that it took him to revive from that death. My other thought is that Rose's influence (the influence that killed the Daleks, raised Jack, and created Bad Wolf) only extended to any time periods/locations (including the alternate dimension) that she went to. I mean, it's not like she was taking the "big picture" into account at the time, or Jack wouldn't have been stuck. If I remember correct, New New York was the furthest into the future that Rose went. Perhaps she forgot to add in any details for Jack after that period. Boe certainly hadn't been doing well, and that was just a few sparse years after Rose had been in that time-zone. I am rather suprised that this is the extent of comments so far. I figured that more people would be commenting on "immortality at +4 LA". :P
Thegans 08-07-07, 11:16 PM	Basically my thoughts exactly. It is quite simply stated that he cannot die, and that it is permanent. My guess is that Jack/Boe is not permanently gone at the end of Gridlock. After all, he seemed pretty near dead after the finale of Torchwood, and I'm pretty sure that the Doctor didn't stick around New-to-the-28th York for even the few days that it took him to revive from that death. My other thought is that Rose's influence (the influence that killed the Daleks, raised Jack, and created Bad Wolf) only extended to any time periods/locations (including the alternate dimension) that she went to. I mean, it's not like she was taking the "big picture" into account at the time, or Jack wouldn't have been stuck. If I remember correct, New New York was the furthest into the future that Rose went. Perhaps she forgot to add in any details for Jack after that period. Boe certainly hadn't been doing well, and that was just a few sparse years after Rose had been in that time-zone. I am rather suprised that this is the extent of comments so far. I figured that more people would be commenting on "immortality at +4 LA". :P To me it seemed more like time was constantly reversing for Jack's body. Sort of like an autosave feature, game over, loadings saved file kind of thing. This brings up another possibility. If the universe is finite time wise perhaps Jack died because he some how went back in time several times again and managed to reach an age where he was older than the universe thus ending the immortality.
Ecalsneerg 08-08-07, 01:39 PM	To me it seemed more like time was constantly reversing for Jack's body. Sort of like an autosave feature, game over, loadings saved file kind of thing. This brings up another possibility. If the universe is finite time wise perhaps Jack died because he some how went back in time several times again and managed to reach an age where he was older than the universe thus ending the immortality. Marvin the Paranoid Android managed 47 times older. You'd have to be 48 times older for it to work.
Thegans 08-08-07, 09:58 PM	Marvin the Paranoid Android managed 47 times older. You'd have to be 48 times older for it to work. Marvin was also a robot so in theory he could have changed his parts so much that his body wasn't that old.
Ecalsneerg 08-09-07, 01:32 PM	Marvin was also a robot so in theory he could have changed his parts so much that his body wasn't that old. He never got his aching diodes replaced. To quote him ,"Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch"