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the best race for sorcerer [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
nurdan
11-15-07, 11:55 AM i wish to play a sorcerer in eberron - which race should i took:

changeling - for the minor change shape and the bonuses as the face of the
party.

human - for the bonus feat.

gnome - for the nice bonuses to Con and Ac, but mainly for the spell-like abb
and the bonus to DC od some spells.

elf - for the Dex bonus and the proficienty with rage weapons.

thanks,
nurdan
larry_the_titan
11-15-07, 12:07 PM It helps if posters know what books are open to you. There are many races that could easily be used for sorcerers. Do you get to use Races Of ___ series? What about other settings? Can you pull one of the Elves out of MM1? What about the enviromental books? How about Third Party source Material? Or 'Dragon'? Can you use Races with LA+1,2,3,4,...?

Out of all of it I would say Spellscales from Races of the Dragon make great Sorcerers.
snakeman830
11-15-07, 03:25 PM Kobolds. Rite of Draconic Passage is just awesome. Putting yourself one level hihger on spellcasting is incredibly nice, especially on a scorcerer.

Notice I haven't even mentioned Dragonwrought cheese.
FrostWolf
11-15-07, 07:01 PM Catfolk are good. speed, dex, and cha bonuses.
YamiShinobi
11-15-07, 07:28 PM either an adult catfolk or a venerable dragonwrought kobold

catfolk +4 dex +2 cha

Dragonwrought Kobold

Str-4 Dex+2 Con-2
(Venerable after this parenthesis)
+3 in +3 wis and +3 cha

capable of taking epic feats at level 1

( at level 1 epic toughness, at level 3, extended lifespan)
YamiShinobi
11-15-07, 07:33 PM out of my suggestions, i would go with the "Venerable" Dragonwrought Kobold

epic feats at level 1, no level adjustment or racial hit die

but this comes fom venerable age

the cheese is good but broken
Kadasbrass
11-16-07, 01:17 AM Well from the choices you have given, its really a question of what you want to be as opposed to "best".

If role-play is more then just a minor feature in the game, then the changling could be fun. The human gives you the customize feature with the feat. With gnomes their suitable only if you plan to focus on illusions as a Sorcerer. Elf, the bow profs are decent at times, thou not a reliable means of combat due to the 1/2 bab progression.
FrostHammer
11-16-07, 01:41 AM Catfolk is great with LA buy-off.
CrimsonDeath
11-16-07, 01:46 AM Of the options mentioned by the OP, I'd say Sorcerers are feat-starved enough that Human is probably the best option. (But then, Human is the best race for almost any class.)

If you'd like to focus on Illusions, Gnome is probably better. They have a racial ability that's as good as Spell Focus: Illusion (and stacks with it if you make room for it in your build), plus Small size (AC and attack bonus) and a Constitution bonus (more HP), both excellent bonuses for a primary spellcaster. Plus, if you have access to Races of Stone, you can go into Shadowcraft Mage (although Wizard or Beguiler is probably a better base).

The Elven weapon proficiencies may look good, but a longbow isn't a lot better than a light crossbow at level 1, and by level 12 (when the longbow is finally strictly better for a Sorcerer) you won't be using a weapon anyway (unless it's a gish build). Meanwhile, that Constitution penalty hurts forever.

If you're asking for the best race, period, I'd say Kobold. And no, not because I think a Venerable Dragonwrought Kobold qualifies for Epic feats. (I don't buy that the Dragonwrought Kobold is a True Dragon. They have the Dragon type and age categories, and one may even argue that they "gain [...] greater power as they age", but they do not "gain more abilities [...] as they age", part of the defining characteristic of True Dragons according to the Monster Manual.) No, I'd say Kobolds because of the Greater Draconic Rite of Passage (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a), which lets them get new levels of spells at the same rate as a Wizard.
FrostHammer
11-16-07, 01:52 AM If you're focusing on Illusions, why not go with Beguiler?
JulesCARV
11-16-07, 02:10 AM I'd go human. Maybe an Aundairan human with some low-level connections to the Arcane Congress (if you want to eventually go into Mage of the Arcane Order). Gnome could also be good -- heck, you could be an Aundairan gnome (perhaps for the same reasons you might be an Aundairan human) with a patriotic chip on his shoulder who gets really testy if people assume he's from Zilargo (maybe he thinks Zils are backstabbing scumbags or something, not like decent, upstanding Aundairans like him). Or perhaps a somewhat older (maybe middle aged or old) Karrnathi human who was once a mighty cleric (maybe level 5 or so, with animate dead) of the Blood of Vol, but lost his faith when he discovered the connections between the Blood of Vol and the Order of the Emerald Claw, so now he doesn't believe in anything and is trying to build up his magic repertoire again without faith, but has gotten knocked back to level 1 sorcerer, basically. That was an idea I had for a Karrnathi sorcerer. (http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-752649.html)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
nurdan 11-15-07, 11:55 AM	i wish to play a sorcerer in eberron - which race should i took: changeling - for the minor change shape and the bonuses as the face of the party. human - for the bonus feat. gnome - for the nice bonuses to Con and Ac, but mainly for the spell-like abb and the bonus to DC od some spells. elf - for the Dex bonus and the proficienty with rage weapons. thanks, nurdan
larry_the_titan 11-15-07, 12:07 PM	It helps if posters know what books are open to you. There are many races that could easily be used for sorcerers. Do you get to use Races Of ___ series? What about other settings? Can you pull one of the Elves out of MM1? What about the enviromental books? How about Third Party source Material? Or 'Dragon'? Can you use Races with LA+1,2,3,4,...? Out of all of it I would say Spellscales from Races of the Dragon make great Sorcerers.
snakeman830 11-15-07, 03:25 PM	Kobolds. Rite of Draconic Passage is just awesome. Putting yourself one level hihger on spellcasting is incredibly nice, especially on a scorcerer. Notice I haven't even mentioned Dragonwrought cheese.
FrostWolf 11-15-07, 07:01 PM	Catfolk are good. speed, dex, and cha bonuses.
YamiShinobi 11-15-07, 07:28 PM	either an adult catfolk or a venerable dragonwrought kobold catfolk +4 dex +2 cha Dragonwrought Kobold Str-4 Dex+2 Con-2 (Venerable after this parenthesis) +3 in +3 wis and +3 cha capable of taking epic feats at level 1 ( at level 1 epic toughness, at level 3, extended lifespan)
YamiShinobi 11-15-07, 07:33 PM	out of my suggestions, i would go with the "Venerable" Dragonwrought Kobold epic feats at level 1, no level adjustment or racial hit die but this comes fom venerable age the cheese is good but broken
Kadasbrass 11-16-07, 01:17 AM	Well from the choices you have given, its really a question of what you want to be as opposed to "best". If role-play is more then just a minor feature in the game, then the changling could be fun. The human gives you the customize feature with the feat. With gnomes their suitable only if you plan to focus on illusions as a Sorcerer. Elf, the bow profs are decent at times, thou not a reliable means of combat due to the 1/2 bab progression.
FrostHammer 11-16-07, 01:41 AM	Catfolk is great with LA buy-off.
CrimsonDeath 11-16-07, 01:46 AM	Of the options mentioned by the OP, I'd say Sorcerers are feat-starved enough that Human is probably the best option. (But then, Human is the best race for almost any class.) If you'd like to focus on Illusions, Gnome is probably better. They have a racial ability that's as good as Spell Focus: Illusion (and stacks with it if you make room for it in your build), plus Small size (AC and attack bonus) and a Constitution bonus (more HP), both excellent bonuses for a primary spellcaster. Plus, if you have access to Races of Stone, you can go into Shadowcraft Mage (although Wizard or Beguiler is probably a better base). The Elven weapon proficiencies may look good, but a longbow isn't a lot better than a light crossbow at level 1, and by level 12 (when the longbow is finally strictly better for a Sorcerer) you won't be using a weapon anyway (unless it's a gish build). Meanwhile, that Constitution penalty hurts forever. If you're asking for the best race, period, I'd say Kobold. And no, not because I think a Venerable Dragonwrought Kobold qualifies for Epic feats. (I don't buy that the Dragonwrought Kobold is a True Dragon. They have the Dragon type and age categories, and one may even argue that they "gain [...] greater power as they age", but they do not "gain more abilities [...] as they age", part of the defining characteristic of True Dragons according to the Monster Manual.) No, I'd say Kobolds because of the Greater Draconic Rite of Passage (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a), which lets them get new levels of spells at the same rate as a Wizard.
FrostHammer 11-16-07, 01:52 AM	If you're focusing on Illusions, why not go with Beguiler?
JulesCARV 11-16-07, 02:10 AM	I'd go human. Maybe an Aundairan human with some low-level connections to the Arcane Congress (if you want to eventually go into Mage of the Arcane Order). Gnome could also be good -- heck, you could be an Aundairan gnome (perhaps for the same reasons you might be an Aundairan human) with a patriotic chip on his shoulder who gets really testy if people assume he's from Zilargo (maybe he thinks Zils are backstabbing scumbags or something, not like decent, upstanding Aundairans like him). Or perhaps a somewhat older (maybe middle aged or old) Karrnathi human who was once a mighty cleric (maybe level 5 or so, with animate dead) of the Blood of Vol, but lost his faith when he discovered the connections between the Blood of Vol and the Order of the Emerald Claw, so now he doesn't believe in anything and is trying to build up his magic repertoire again without faith, but has gotten knocked back to level 1 sorcerer, basically. That was an idea I had for a Karrnathi sorcerer. (http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-752649.html)