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beenyboboo601 10-21-07, 09:12 PM	WHAT RACES WOULD BE GOOD FOR EACH KIND OF UNDEAD EX: VAMPIRE WOULD BE BEST FOR A (HUMAN FIGHTER)
Return of the Flumph 10-21-07, 09:32 PM	I THINK MOST UNDEAD TEMPLATES HAVE VERY SPECIFIC CLASS CRITERIA.
zook1shoe666 10-21-07, 11:50 PM	most templates (not just ones that change creatures into undead) do NOT require specific classes. the few that do are like Liches and the psionic version and Spectral Mages (ghost arcanists)
RobbyPants 10-22-07, 01:32 PM	As mentioned, a few have specific requirements (like the Lich). Many don't have classes at all (such as skeletons, zombies, ghouls, ghasts, mummies, wights, and a bunch of others). As for ones with templates, you have to look at what they do well: Vampires (assuming they're NPCs and not PCs hindered by losing 8 levels) are good at everything. They get a slew of nice bonuses, and their weaknesses are easily overcome. If you have a PC, then you have to overcome the loss of 8 class levels (due to the level adjustement). This makes them abyssmally wretched casters. Nothing you can get will make up for the loss of eight caster levels. The lack of hit points and attack bonus makes them terrible fighters. Thus, PC vampires tend to work best as scout and rogue types. Ghosts are very similar. As NPCs, they can be good at anything. As PCs, you lose too much to make them good casters or fighters. Their role also is largely dependant on what abilities you give the ghost. PS. DON'T TYPE IN ALL CAPS; It's annoying ;)
Rustmonster 10-22-07, 10:42 PM	The unfortunate part is that far too many undead were not made as a template. Almost ALL undead should have been templates. But, WotC decided not to do that. So there's all that funny stuff like making a halfling into a morhg, and it suddenly grows to medium...
zook1shoe666 10-23-07, 12:49 AM	a bunch of the MM1 undead became templates in the savage species.
Sertak 10-23-07, 12:59 PM	a bunch of the MM1 undead became templates in the savage species. Yes, for instance, spectres became Spectral creature template,wights and wraiths were re-made as templates, and they introduced Ghost Brute template for the first time. I really appreciate this templates more than their 'single monster" versions in MM (save for Ghost Brute, which, of course, is NOT in MM :P ). As for undead army, I think it would be advisable to consult Heroes of the Battle, as in the section dedicated to the sample armies (Army of Nature's Wrath, etc.) it has the description of the legion of undead lead by the lich cleric of Nerull. It may be useful to draw some sample "units" from there.
zook1shoe666 10-23-07, 05:18 PM	one of my fav PrCs is the True Necromancer :-p add the Spell Theurgy (Necromancy) and your caster levels goes INSANE!!! a good class for this is also the Dread Necromancer from the Heroes of Horror.
april151978 10-25-07, 10:44 AM	one of my fav PrCs is the True Necromancer :-p add the Spell Theurgy (Necromancy) and your caster levels goes INSANE!!! a good class for this is also the Dread Necromancer from the Heroes of Horror. What feat is this?... What book is it in?...
zook1shoe666 10-25-07, 07:18 PM	sorry got the name a little wrong..... "Theurgic Specialist" in the Drag#325