Warforged Immunity's? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Warforged Immunity's? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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heavenisme
01-30-08, 07:32 AM I have a friend playing a warforged, and he's been getting bitten by phase spiders. Is he immune to posion, and disease? Thanks
Jvance420
01-30-08, 08:00 AM Races of Eberron pg 7 says:

"Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, disease, nausea, fatigue, exhaustion, effects that cause the sickened condition, and energy drain"

So I would say yes, unless phase spiders have something special going on that effects Warforged (or living constructs) specifically.
Rulebook
01-30-08, 12:57 PM yeah, warforged are fun to smear with poisons and stuff.
Napoleon_the_Clown
01-30-08, 01:32 PM Yes, Warforged are immune to poison and disease. As well as energy drain and a few other useful things. (Seriously, have your buddy get ahold of Life-Drinker and watch the DM get ****** and throw copious amounts of undead at you. Laugh as the undead's biggest advantage against the living is worthless against your buddy.)

Warforged tactic #234: Slather the nastiest contact poison you can all over a Warforged and have him grapple people.

Warforged tactic #125: Life-Drinker bestows negative levels on the wielder whenever it does so to an opponent. Warforged are immune to this. Keep in mind that most DMs don't throw stuff that's immune to energy drain at you unless those are already a popular attack among your party... (Discounting undead, but those aren't used as much in high level campaigns)
seventh_scroll
01-30-08, 01:39 PM o_o Wow. Warforged seem pretty awesome, just based on the immunity list. Do they have a level adjustment, or any other way to balance them with the other standard races?

Hehe. Is there an actual list of Warforged tactics? If there is, I'd really like a link.
Belkar
01-30-08, 01:45 PM There is no LA for a warforged. Many poeple thusly think they're overpowered.

On the negative side, though - they do recieve negatives to two ability scores, and a bonus to only one. Also - they only recieve 50% of benefit from any healing magic, and they do not heal naturally. So, resting does nothing to heal any damage - and a spell that heals 10 HP will only heal 5 for a warforged.

This is why a whole class of "repair" spells exists for them (and other constructs).
Napoleon_the_Clown
01-30-08, 01:59 PM Hehe. Is there an actual list of Warforged tactics? If there is, I'd really like a link.

Not to my knowledge there.
Sinfire Titan
01-30-08, 03:36 PM There is no LA for a warforged. Many poeple thusly think they're overpowered.

On the negative side, though - they do recieve negatives to two ability scores, and a bonus to only one. Also - they only recieve 50% of benefit from any healing magic, and they do not heal naturally. So, resting does nothing to heal any damage - and a spell that heals 10 HP will only heal 5 for a warforged.

This is why a whole class of "repair" spells exists for them (and other constructs).

Coupled with the fact that they have a built-in ASF chance, unless you spend a feat to get rid of it, or become Dragonborn.

For some odd reason, I have a party of 7 people, and 5 of them are Warforged Dragonborns. Now that is just plain weird. I blame Archerpwr for it.
Obsidianjaerc
01-30-08, 03:44 PM It's worth pointing out that in ECS the warforged also have to contend with stigmatism and social constraints. It's not built into their stat blocks, and as such, is both conjecture and not employed in games. Of course it also treads the Punishment Line, made so famous by paladins. Applied properly this can help the warforged (already high LA+0) have a more proper line of challenge.

/ramble.
rjsilverthorn
01-30-08, 05:39 PM Coupled with the fact that they have a built-in ASF chance, unless you spend a feat to get rid of it, or become Dragonborn.

For some odd reason, I have a party of 7 people, and 5 of them are Warforged Dragonborns. Now that is just plain weird. I blame Archerpwr for it.

Dragonborn...warforged? :confused:
Sinfire Titan
01-30-08, 05:52 PM Dragonborn...warforged? :confused:

Dragonborn is a template from Races of the Dragon that can be applied at any time to any non-evil living creature. Warforged qualify for the template, retain a lot of their immunities, and get some neat perks, along with dropping their Composite Plating without using a feat. Or, if you took Mithral or Adamantine Body, you keep that plating and still have some cool stuff to work with.
rjsilverthorn
01-30-08, 06:02 PM Dragonborn is a template from Races of the Dragon that can be applied at any time to any non-evil living creature. Warforged qualify for the template, retain a lot of their immunities, and get some neat perks, along with dropping their Composite Plating without using a feat. Or, if you took Mithral or Adamantine Body, you keep that plating and still have some cool stuff to work with.

Yeah, I'm familiar with the template, that was more a flavor "what" ?

Don't mind me though, I'm just a bit of a purist when it comes races.
Legdiwena
01-30-08, 06:30 PM It's worth pointing out that in ECS the warforged also have to contend with stigmatism and social constraints. It's not built into their stat blocks, and as such, is both conjecture and not employed in games. Of course it also treads the Punishment Line, made so famous by paladins. Applied properly this can help the warforged (already high LA+0) have a more proper line of challenge.

/ramble.

Punishment Line?
Sinfire Titan
01-30-08, 07:15 PM Yeah, I'm familiar with the template, that was more a flavor "what" ?

Don't mind me though, I'm just a bit of a purist when it comes races.

Flavor-wise, well, it varies from each character to the next. One of the more popular versions is that Bahamut grants them a soul, usually used by a player who doesn't read the ECS splat very often or closely. I myself actually give it a reason, such as meeting a Dragonborn, and wanting to understand what it is like to change so drastically. I tend to play very intrigue-based Warforged, who are willing to look into virtually everything just to understand it. I play off of their little Wis/Cha penalty and make them ask questions a lot.

Did that with Magic of Incarnum, with Vyth Vivex (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=33194), Incarnate Ordinator of Sharn.
Did it with Tome of Magic, with Kurt Virhoch (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=31166), Binder and survivor of the Last War.

Haven't tried it with the Dragonborn yet, but I may get around to it. Warforged are my favorite race, if only for the sheer flavor behind them.
Neutronium_Dragon
01-30-08, 07:47 PM > It's worth pointing out that in ECS the warforged also have to contend with
> stigmatism and social constraints. It's not built into their stat blocks,

Unlike past editions, it is a guiding principle of 3E that (at least in official material) you do not try to "balance" mechanical advantages with roleplaying limitations - because it doesn't work.

Roleplaying elements can certainly add color to gameplay, but their presence or absence makes no difference to the mechanics of a creature.
strenoth
01-31-08, 12:30 AM 'jug of Shapesand' Oh I read about the stuff, but I just had an image of a red-head kid with a huge jug of this sand that protected him and he used it to kill people.. I watch to much anime.
Sinfire Titan
01-31-08, 12:57 AM 'jug of Shapesand' Oh I read about the stuff, but I just had an image of a red-head kid with a huge jug of this sand that protected him and he used it to kill people.. I watch to much anime.

Shapesand was out before Naruto was printed in English, thank you. The stuff is possibly the one item adventurers kit. It can duplicate any non-magical, non-consumable item, like Rope, a weapon, or even a ladder. Useful, if you know how to use it. Sadly, none of my 'Forged characters can use it to it's max, because of thier Wis penalty, but Drake (Warblade) can really do stuff with it thanks to Weapon Aptitude and EWP (Longaxe). One minute I have an axe with a reach, the next minute I have a freaking double-scimitar, and in an hour I am proficient with it. Tricky, versatile, and fun to do! If a bit impractical, due to time constraints.
tenguroEd
01-31-08, 01:21 AM Yes, Warforged are immune to poison and disease. As well as energy drain and a few other useful things. (Seriously, have your buddy get ahold of Life-Drinker and watch the DM get ****** and throw copious amounts of undead at you. Laugh as the undead's biggest advantage against the living is worthless against your buddy.)

Warforged tactic #234: Slather the nastiest contact poison you can all over a Warforged and have him grapple people.

Warforged tactic #125: Life-Drinker bestows negative levels on the wielder whenever it does so to an opponent. Warforged are immune to this. Keep in mind that most DMs don't throw stuff that's immune to energy drain at you unless those are already a popular attack among your party... (Discounting undead, but those aren't used as much in high level campaigns)

where or what is life-drinker?
Sinfire Titan
01-31-08, 03:21 AM where or what is life-drinker?

It is a PrC from the Book of Vile Darkness, which, RAW, is completely overpowered, and in the ranks of PrCs like Radiant Servant of Pelor and Chameleon.
Napoleon_the_Clown
01-31-08, 06:18 AM The one I was referring to is the weapon in the DMG. It's a battleaxe that bestows 2 negative levels on anything it damages (provided it isn't immune, of course) and bestows one negative level on the user whenever it does damage to an enemy. It's SRD, check it out. Good way to make your DM mad.
FrostWolf
01-31-08, 02:31 PM Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed?

Thank you in advanced.
Sinfire Titan
01-31-08, 02:49 PM Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed?

Thank you in advanced.

The Unarmored Body feat fixes this confusion. You have to either lose a feat slot, or change race to Dragonborn. One is crappy, the other is pretty decent, and both are viable.
Legdiwena
01-31-08, 02:49 PM I looked through the ECS, I didn't see feat to have no composite plating.
FrostWolf
01-31-08, 02:57 PM Well That just craps all over that idea. Thanks anyways.

Wait one moment. Monk says that it looses abilities when in Any ARMOR. But composite Plating isn't an armor. It's like armor, very close to armor, But nowhere is it called armor. They go out of their way to avoid calling it armor, even.

Hmm... It grants an Armor Class, but then again, so to Bracers of armor and potions of Mage Armor.

I have theories about why it's worded the way it is, but I'll have to study some crop circles and read The Cather In The Rye in Klingon backwards a few times first...
Istaran
01-31-08, 08:12 PM Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed?

Thank you in advanced.

Like a kobold barbarian?
Obsidianjaerc
01-31-08, 11:04 PM The Punishment Line is what seperates creating a challeng for a character based on one of their fundamental aspects and setting up excessive or impossible situations around such an aspect.

For paladin's that's their Code. For warforged in my example it would be their race.

@ND: I not only know that, but agree with it. Which makes it even more of a shame that that spin was given by KB as one of the reasons for warforged's mechanical strength.

@Legdiwneda: It's one of the Warforged's Racial Traits.

@Istaran: Those can be quite deadly, wdespite your first impression.
Captain_Kobold
02-01-08, 12:33 AM Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed?

No, Warforged monks work fine with their standard Composite plating. Both the Mithril and Adamantine body feats state that the character is considered to be wearing armour, but the composite plating does not. It therefore will not interfere with any of the Monk's abilities.

Unarmoured body is in Races of Eberron. Its generally used to give an Arcane spellcaster warforged no spell failure chance.
Napoleon_the_Clown
02-01-08, 02:56 AM Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed?

Thank you in advanced.
Nope, the FAQ even explicity states that the Composite Plating won't prevent you from using Monk abilities or Druid abilities. The only time it's treated as armor is for effects that reduce ASF, such as the Bard's ability. Otherwise it's basically just a permenant Mage Armor that only gives a +2. Though you can indeed enchant it, if desired.

Warforged can actually do well as Monks, due to the Battle Fist component. Being considered one size category larger when determining unarmed strike damage can get nice. And the penalty to Wisdom isn't something that'll kill the character's effectiveness. The AC will end up about the same, provided all other variables are the same (prior to racial adjustments, of course).
Neutronium_Dragon
02-01-08, 03:31 AM Note that it's only the default composite plating which doesn't count as armor. If you take something like Adamantine Body, that does count as (heavy) armor and will cause a problem for a druid or monk.
Bopple
02-01-08, 04:24 AM While warforged's immunities are nice, it uses up a feat for armor, if you are a infantry or an archer.
Compared to human, you lose 2 feats, which might mean you would be 6 lvls behind the build or the functionalities you want.
Half-amount healing is also annoying, especially because Lesser Vigor does not work.
And I would assume Death Ward should be quite common in Eberron. It's so easy to use Life-Drinker for a warforged. Then others should be worried about Life-Drinker and cast Death Ward or carry DW items.
Belkar
02-01-08, 09:39 AM Warforged Monks are both fantastic and redundant...lol...

Kind of.

On the negative side, many of the monk class features - warforged have as racial features from level one, such as poison and disease immunity.

On the positive side, you get your composite plate (providing a +2 to AC that makes up for the -1 from the negative to Wis), the battlefist stuff, and the FAQ also states that the monk ability to heal himself works in full on a warforged monk.
Legdiwena
02-01-08, 11:16 AM Warforged does help make up for what you lose if you go into Chaos Monk instead of Monk. You retain immunity to poison/disease due to race, just lose tongue of sun and moon and the SR.
Istaran
02-01-08, 03:17 PM I was actually looking at making a kobold barbarian as an LG cohort at one point. It was going to have max'd dex, uncanny dodge, shield spec/shield ward, small size to have a 'flat-footed' touch AC only barely rivalled by monks.
But for actual effectiveness, there are much better things to do with a kobold. Like rogue, wizard/sorcerer, druid, or cleric. Things that are not heavily nerfed by -4 str and small size. If you want to play a highly effective character, you should play to your race's strengths, not their weaknesses. If you want to roleplay something interesting you should.. well.. try to meet some decent threshold of effectiveness so you contribute to your party's success and survival, but otherwise do what you like.

I am not certain about the whole warforged monk in composite ruling. I haven't seen the Unarmored Body feat since I don't own the book it is in, but I know it exists and that pushes me toward suspecting it is a requirement. In any case, it seems like there are better things to build with a warforged. I rather like the idea of a warforged juggernaut myself, as it pushes the warforged immunities to new hieghts (who wouldn't want to the party fighter to be immune to mind affecting abilities?)
Legdiwena
02-01-08, 03:49 PM What book is Unarmored Body in? Didn't see it in ECS.
Exposed_Wires
02-01-08, 05:00 PM What book is Unarmored Body in? Didn't see it in ECS.

Races of Eberron. It's really a fun book. It's worth buying.

Tons of neat stuff about changlings and warforged. Not so much neat stuff about kalashtar and shifters, but still makes them more attractive. The racial substitution levels are worth looking in to as well.

Also, reforged.
Legdiwena
02-01-08, 05:08 PM B&N doesn't have it, guess I need to hit the game store.
Neutronium_Dragon
02-01-08, 07:38 PM Unarmored Body definitely isn't intended as a monk requirement. It's there to allow arcane spellcasters to eliminate the ASF associated with the plating.
Sinfire Titan
02-01-08, 11:37 PM Unarmored Body definitely isn't intended as a monk requirement. It's there to allow arcane spellcasters to eliminate the ASF associated with the plating.

But Dragonborn does that better, while giving you a +2 Con.
blade265
02-02-08, 01:17 AM It's also in the 3.5 index lists from crystal keep (http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/index.php) in the feats index p108
Napoleon_the_Clown
02-03-08, 08:52 PM But Dragonborn does that better, while giving you a +2 Con.
Which is a total of +4 Con! :D
Sinfire Titan
02-04-08, 07:44 AM Which is a total of +4 Con! :D

+4 Con, for a -2 Dex, -2 Wis, and -2 Cha, while getting some very nice immunities? Effectively a +2 HP/HD, and a +2 to Fort/Concentration checks, with the added benefit of being a Construct with he Dragonblood Subtype. Hello Alter Self/Wild Shape!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
heavenisme 01-30-08, 07:32 AM	I have a friend playing a warforged, and he's been getting bitten by phase spiders. Is he immune to posion, and disease? Thanks
Jvance420 01-30-08, 08:00 AM	Races of Eberron pg 7 says: "Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, disease, nausea, fatigue, exhaustion, effects that cause the sickened condition, and energy drain" So I would say yes, unless phase spiders have something special going on that effects Warforged (or living constructs) specifically.
Rulebook 01-30-08, 12:57 PM	yeah, warforged are fun to smear with poisons and stuff.
Napoleon_the_Clown 01-30-08, 01:32 PM	Yes, Warforged are immune to poison and disease. As well as energy drain and a few other useful things. (Seriously, have your buddy get ahold of Life-Drinker and watch the DM get ****** and throw copious amounts of undead at you. Laugh as the undead's biggest advantage against the living is worthless against your buddy.) Warforged tactic #234: Slather the nastiest contact poison you can all over a Warforged and have him grapple people. Warforged tactic #125: Life-Drinker bestows negative levels on the wielder whenever it does so to an opponent. Warforged are immune to this. Keep in mind that most DMs don't throw stuff that's immune to energy drain at you unless those are already a popular attack among your party... (Discounting undead, but those aren't used as much in high level campaigns)
seventh_scroll 01-30-08, 01:39 PM	o_o Wow. Warforged seem pretty awesome, just based on the immunity list. Do they have a level adjustment, or any other way to balance them with the other standard races? Hehe. Is there an actual list of Warforged tactics? If there is, I'd really like a link.
Belkar 01-30-08, 01:45 PM	There is no LA for a warforged. Many poeple thusly think they're overpowered. On the negative side, though - they do recieve negatives to two ability scores, and a bonus to only one. Also - they only recieve 50% of benefit from any healing magic, and they do not heal naturally. So, resting does nothing to heal any damage - and a spell that heals 10 HP will only heal 5 for a warforged. This is why a whole class of "repair" spells exists for them (and other constructs).
Napoleon_the_Clown 01-30-08, 01:59 PM	Hehe. Is there an actual list of Warforged tactics? If there is, I'd really like a link. Not to my knowledge there.
Sinfire Titan 01-30-08, 03:36 PM	There is no LA for a warforged. Many poeple thusly think they're overpowered. On the negative side, though - they do recieve negatives to two ability scores, and a bonus to only one. Also - they only recieve 50% of benefit from any healing magic, and they do not heal naturally. So, resting does nothing to heal any damage - and a spell that heals 10 HP will only heal 5 for a warforged. This is why a whole class of "repair" spells exists for them (and other constructs). Coupled with the fact that they have a built-in ASF chance, unless you spend a feat to get rid of it, or become Dragonborn. For some odd reason, I have a party of 7 people, and 5 of them are Warforged Dragonborns. Now that is just plain weird. I blame Archerpwr for it.
Obsidianjaerc 01-30-08, 03:44 PM	It's worth pointing out that in ECS the warforged also have to contend with stigmatism and social constraints. It's not built into their stat blocks, and as such, is both conjecture and not employed in games. Of course it also treads the Punishment Line, made so famous by paladins. Applied properly this can help the warforged (already high LA+0) have a more proper line of challenge. /ramble.
rjsilverthorn 01-30-08, 05:39 PM	Coupled with the fact that they have a built-in ASF chance, unless you spend a feat to get rid of it, or become Dragonborn. For some odd reason, I have a party of 7 people, and 5 of them are Warforged Dragonborns. Now that is just plain weird. I blame Archerpwr for it. Dragonborn...warforged? :confused:
Sinfire Titan 01-30-08, 05:52 PM	Dragonborn...warforged? :confused: Dragonborn is a template from Races of the Dragon that can be applied at any time to any non-evil living creature. Warforged qualify for the template, retain a lot of their immunities, and get some neat perks, along with dropping their Composite Plating without using a feat. Or, if you took Mithral or Adamantine Body, you keep that plating and still have some cool stuff to work with.
rjsilverthorn 01-30-08, 06:02 PM	Dragonborn is a template from Races of the Dragon that can be applied at any time to any non-evil living creature. Warforged qualify for the template, retain a lot of their immunities, and get some neat perks, along with dropping their Composite Plating without using a feat. Or, if you took Mithral or Adamantine Body, you keep that plating and still have some cool stuff to work with. Yeah, I'm familiar with the template, that was more a flavor "what" ? Don't mind me though, I'm just a bit of a purist when it comes races.
Legdiwena 01-30-08, 06:30 PM	It's worth pointing out that in ECS the warforged also have to contend with stigmatism and social constraints. It's not built into their stat blocks, and as such, is both conjecture and not employed in games. Of course it also treads the Punishment Line, made so famous by paladins. Applied properly this can help the warforged (already high LA+0) have a more proper line of challenge. /ramble. Punishment Line?
Sinfire Titan 01-30-08, 07:15 PM	Yeah, I'm familiar with the template, that was more a flavor "what" ? Don't mind me though, I'm just a bit of a purist when it comes races. Flavor-wise, well, it varies from each character to the next. One of the more popular versions is that Bahamut grants them a soul, usually used by a player who doesn't read the ECS splat very often or closely. I myself actually give it a reason, such as meeting a Dragonborn, and wanting to understand what it is like to change so drastically. I tend to play very intrigue-based Warforged, who are willing to look into virtually everything just to understand it. I play off of their little Wis/Cha penalty and make them ask questions a lot. Did that with Magic of Incarnum, with Vyth Vivex (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=33194), Incarnate Ordinator of Sharn. Did it with Tome of Magic, with Kurt Virhoch (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=31166), Binder and survivor of the Last War. Haven't tried it with the Dragonborn yet, but I may get around to it. Warforged are my favorite race, if only for the sheer flavor behind them.
Neutronium_Dragon 01-30-08, 07:47 PM	> It's worth pointing out that in ECS the warforged also have to contend with > stigmatism and social constraints. It's not built into their stat blocks, Unlike past editions, it is a guiding principle of 3E that (at least in official material) you do not try to "balance" mechanical advantages with roleplaying limitations - because it doesn't work. Roleplaying elements can certainly add color to gameplay, but their presence or absence makes no difference to the mechanics of a creature.
strenoth 01-31-08, 12:30 AM	'jug of Shapesand' Oh I read about the stuff, but I just had an image of a red-head kid with a huge jug of this sand that protected him and he used it to kill people.. I watch to much anime.
Sinfire Titan 01-31-08, 12:57 AM	'jug of Shapesand' Oh I read about the stuff, but I just had an image of a red-head kid with a huge jug of this sand that protected him and he used it to kill people.. I watch to much anime. Shapesand was out before Naruto was printed in English, thank you. The stuff is possibly the one item adventurers kit. It can duplicate any non-magical, non-consumable item, like Rope, a weapon, or even a ladder. Useful, if you know how to use it. Sadly, none of my 'Forged characters can use it to it's max, because of thier Wis penalty, but Drake (Warblade) can really do stuff with it thanks to Weapon Aptitude and EWP (Longaxe). One minute I have an axe with a reach, the next minute I have a freaking double-scimitar, and in an hour I am proficient with it. Tricky, versatile, and fun to do! If a bit impractical, due to time constraints.
tenguroEd 01-31-08, 01:21 AM	Yes, Warforged are immune to poison and disease. As well as energy drain and a few other useful things. (Seriously, have your buddy get ahold of Life-Drinker and watch the DM get ****** and throw copious amounts of undead at you. Laugh as the undead's biggest advantage against the living is worthless against your buddy.) Warforged tactic #234: Slather the nastiest contact poison you can all over a Warforged and have him grapple people. Warforged tactic #125: Life-Drinker bestows negative levels on the wielder whenever it does so to an opponent. Warforged are immune to this. Keep in mind that most DMs don't throw stuff that's immune to energy drain at you unless those are already a popular attack among your party... (Discounting undead, but those aren't used as much in high level campaigns) where or what is life-drinker?
Sinfire Titan 01-31-08, 03:21 AM	where or what is life-drinker? It is a PrC from the Book of Vile Darkness, which, RAW, is completely overpowered, and in the ranks of PrCs like Radiant Servant of Pelor and Chameleon.
Napoleon_the_Clown 01-31-08, 06:18 AM	The one I was referring to is the weapon in the DMG. It's a battleaxe that bestows 2 negative levels on anything it damages (provided it isn't immune, of course) and bestows one negative level on the user whenever it does damage to an enemy. It's SRD, check it out. Good way to make your DM mad.
FrostWolf 01-31-08, 02:31 PM	Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed? Thank you in advanced.
Sinfire Titan 01-31-08, 02:49 PM	Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed? Thank you in advanced. The Unarmored Body feat fixes this confusion. You have to either lose a feat slot, or change race to Dragonborn. One is crappy, the other is pretty decent, and both are viable.
Legdiwena 01-31-08, 02:49 PM	I looked through the ECS, I didn't see feat to have no composite plating.
FrostWolf 01-31-08, 02:57 PM	Well That just craps all over that idea. Thanks anyways. Wait one moment. Monk says that it looses abilities when in Any ARMOR. But composite Plating isn't an armor. It's like armor, very close to armor, But nowhere is it called armor. They go out of their way to avoid calling it armor, even. Hmm... It grants an Armor Class, but then again, so to Bracers of armor and potions of Mage Armor. I have theories about why it's worded the way it is, but I'll have to study some crop circles and read The Cather In The Rye in Klingon backwards a few times first...
Istaran 01-31-08, 08:12 PM	Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed? Thank you in advanced. Like a kobold barbarian?
Obsidianjaerc 01-31-08, 11:04 PM	The Punishment Line is what seperates creating a challeng for a character based on one of their fundamental aspects and setting up excessive or impossible situations around such an aspect. For paladin's that's their Code. For warforged in my example it would be their race. @ND: I not only know that, but agree with it. Which makes it even more of a shame that that spin was given by KB as one of the reasons for warforged's mechanical strength. @Legdiwneda: It's one of the Warforged's Racial Traits. @Istaran: Those can be quite deadly, wdespite your first impression.
Captain_Kobold 02-01-08, 12:33 AM	Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed? No, Warforged monks work fine with their standard Composite plating. Both the Mithril and Adamantine body feats state that the character is considered to be wearing armour, but the composite plating does not. It therefore will not interfere with any of the Monk's abilities. Unarmoured body is in Races of Eberron. Its generally used to give an Arcane spellcaster warforged no spell failure chance.
Napoleon_the_Clown 02-01-08, 02:56 AM	Umm... I have a warforged related question. How does a Warforged Monk work? Will the plating have to be removed? Thank you in advanced. Nope, the FAQ even explicity states that the Composite Plating won't prevent you from using Monk abilities or Druid abilities. The only time it's treated as armor is for effects that reduce ASF, such as the Bard's ability. Otherwise it's basically just a permenant Mage Armor that only gives a +2. Though you can indeed enchant it, if desired. Warforged can actually do well as Monks, due to the Battle Fist component. Being considered one size category larger when determining unarmed strike damage can get nice. And the penalty to Wisdom isn't something that'll kill the character's effectiveness. The AC will end up about the same, provided all other variables are the same (prior to racial adjustments, of course).
Neutronium_Dragon 02-01-08, 03:31 AM	Note that it's only the default composite plating which doesn't count as armor. If you take something like Adamantine Body, that does count as (heavy) armor and will cause a problem for a druid or monk.
Bopple 02-01-08, 04:24 AM	While warforged's immunities are nice, it uses up a feat for armor, if you are a infantry or an archer. Compared to human, you lose 2 feats, which might mean you would be 6 lvls behind the build or the functionalities you want. Half-amount healing is also annoying, especially because Lesser Vigor does not work. And I would assume Death Ward should be quite common in Eberron. It's so easy to use Life-Drinker for a warforged. Then others should be worried about Life-Drinker and cast Death Ward or carry DW items.
Belkar 02-01-08, 09:39 AM	Warforged Monks are both fantastic and redundant...lol... Kind of. On the negative side, many of the monk class features - warforged have as racial features from level one, such as poison and disease immunity. On the positive side, you get your composite plate (providing a +2 to AC that makes up for the -1 from the negative to Wis), the battlefist stuff, and the FAQ also states that the monk ability to heal himself works in full on a warforged monk.
Legdiwena 02-01-08, 11:16 AM	Warforged does help make up for what you lose if you go into Chaos Monk instead of Monk. You retain immunity to poison/disease due to race, just lose tongue of sun and moon and the SR.
Istaran 02-01-08, 03:17 PM	I was actually looking at making a kobold barbarian as an LG cohort at one point. It was going to have max'd dex, uncanny dodge, shield spec/shield ward, small size to have a 'flat-footed' touch AC only barely rivalled by monks. But for actual effectiveness, there are much better things to do with a kobold. Like rogue, wizard/sorcerer, druid, or cleric. Things that are not heavily nerfed by -4 str and small size. If you want to play a highly effective character, you should play to your race's strengths, not their weaknesses. If you want to roleplay something interesting you should.. well.. try to meet some decent threshold of effectiveness so you contribute to your party's success and survival, but otherwise do what you like. I am not certain about the whole warforged monk in composite ruling. I haven't seen the Unarmored Body feat since I don't own the book it is in, but I know it exists and that pushes me toward suspecting it is a requirement. In any case, it seems like there are better things to build with a warforged. I rather like the idea of a warforged juggernaut myself, as it pushes the warforged immunities to new hieghts (who wouldn't want to the party fighter to be immune to mind affecting abilities?)
Legdiwena 02-01-08, 03:49 PM	What book is Unarmored Body in? Didn't see it in ECS.
Exposed_Wires 02-01-08, 05:00 PM	What book is Unarmored Body in? Didn't see it in ECS. Races of Eberron. It's really a fun book. It's worth buying. Tons of neat stuff about changlings and warforged. Not so much neat stuff about kalashtar and shifters, but still makes them more attractive. The racial substitution levels are worth looking in to as well. Also, reforged.
Legdiwena 02-01-08, 05:08 PM	B&N doesn't have it, guess I need to hit the game store.
Neutronium_Dragon 02-01-08, 07:38 PM	Unarmored Body definitely isn't intended as a monk requirement. It's there to allow arcane spellcasters to eliminate the ASF associated with the plating.
Sinfire Titan 02-01-08, 11:37 PM	Unarmored Body definitely isn't intended as a monk requirement. It's there to allow arcane spellcasters to eliminate the ASF associated with the plating. But Dragonborn does that better, while giving you a +2 Con.
blade265 02-02-08, 01:17 AM	It's also in the 3.5 index lists from crystal keep (http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/index.php) in the feats index p108
Napoleon_the_Clown 02-03-08, 08:52 PM	But Dragonborn does that better, while giving you a +2 Con. Which is a total of +4 Con! :D
Sinfire Titan 02-04-08, 07:44 AM	Which is a total of +4 Con! :D +4 Con, for a -2 Dex, -2 Wis, and -2 Cha, while getting some very nice immunities? Effectively a +2 HP/HD, and a +2 to Fort/Concentration checks, with the added benefit of being a Construct with he Dragonblood Subtype. Hello Alter Self/Wild Shape!