What are some good zero to low level adjustment Anthromorphic Dog races? [Archive] - Wizards Community

What are some good zero to low level adjustment Anthromorphic Dog races? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Azar_of_Faerun
03-18-07, 02:41 AM Anyone have races they can recommend?
Rerecros
03-18-07, 02:43 AM Shifter (ECS)
cog_n_taz
03-18-07, 09:11 AM hound archon?:P
FrostWolf
03-18-07, 10:13 AM Gnoll (hyena)

And there are rules for making athrapamorphic* characters.

*(Word. Too. Big.... Brain. Melting...)
Romulus LoneWolf
03-18-07, 10:31 AM The Lupin. Their stats are in Dragon Magazine #325, p85, or in Best of Dragon.
Darth Sephiroth
03-18-07, 11:28 AM In one of the web enhansements to something on the site has a pretty nice one. Can't remember which one its in though
Fallenangel359
03-18-07, 12:26 PM could just be an anthropamorphic dog, from savage species
bobothechimp
03-18-07, 02:59 PM SS anthropomorphic races are some of the most broken, cheesiest things I have ever seen.

It's like a whole bag of cheeto's run over by a steamroller.
Angelflesh
03-18-07, 04:08 PM SS anthropomorphic races are some of the most broken, cheesiest things I have ever seen.

It's like a whole bag of cheeto's run over by a steamroller.

How are they cheesy?
bobothechimp
03-18-07, 05:09 PM First, they have absolutely no story or explanation for there existence. They're just there.

Second, have you looked at them? Look at the bonuses for their hit dice. Full BAB, good reflex and will saves, and insane ability score bonuses.
Johnny_Angel
03-18-07, 05:21 PM First, they have absolutely no story or explanation for there existence. They're just there.

Second, have you looked at them? Look at the bonuses for their hit dice. Full BAB, good reflex and will saves, and insane ability score bonuses.

Like it's any worse than the anthromorphic baleen whale...
Aminvelos
03-18-07, 05:26 PM Although it's not anthromorphic, it is a dog race. 0 LA Marruspawn, they have fire resistance and hearing so good they can hear a heart beat. Stuff like that.

Book-Sandstorm
bobothechimp
03-18-07, 05:44 PM Like it's any worse than the anthromorphic baleen whale...

I was talking about SS anthropomorphic races in general, not a specific race. The baleen whale is definitely the cheesiest of them all.
Neutronium_Dragon
03-18-07, 06:23 PM The probable reason why there's no reason for their existence is because that's going to vary from campaign to campaign. Maybe a druid sect created them (next stage up from Awakening). Maybe a wizard did. Maybe they evolved naturally, or were created by some animal god. Maybe they're humans who transformed through shapeshifting magic. And it's quite possible that there are multiple origins for the things in a given world (different ones created in different ways).

Putting down an "official" origin would just get in the way.
obrysii
03-18-07, 06:26 PM Hengeyokai (dog) would be an LA +0 race.
Angelflesh
03-18-07, 11:05 PM Second, have you looked at them? Look at the bonuses for their hit dice. Full BAB, good reflex and will saves, and insane ability score bonuses.

Full BAB and good reflex and will saves are traits of the Monstrous Humanoid type which all Anthropomorphic Animals have. So, what you are saying is Monstrous Humanoids are all cheddar cheese monsters that hit all the time, can dodge a bullet, and have unbreakable wills.

Do a little research next time on what you are talking about.
bobothechimp
03-18-07, 11:13 PM Can you read what I type? Monstrous humanoid is a good type, and that is part of the reason they are broken. The INSANE ABILITY SCORE BONUSES are the main reason.
Angelflesh
03-19-07, 12:22 AM And what type would you grant an Anthropomorphic Animal?
They seem pretty "monstrous" to me.
obrysii
03-19-07, 08:26 AM Do a little research next time on what you are talking about.

You know, you really don't have to be so angry at everyone all the time. Try not being so rude--it might help.
Seldriss
03-19-07, 09:26 AM I would recommend the Lupin.
You can find them in Dragon Compendium.
Very nice race, created originally on Mystara, but easy to adapt to any other world.
Despite their name, lupins are not necessary wolf-like (lupus = wolf in latin, loup = wolf in french), some have a fox appearance, some other a dog appearance.
And if you don't like their background history with/against werewolves, you (or your DM) can link them to gnolls instead, or even hound archons if you want something more planar, then becoming a little aasimarish ;)
Neutronium_Dragon
03-19-07, 10:00 AM Monstrous Humanoid is more of a not-too-bad type.

+1 BAB, d8 HD, two good saves, 2 skill points/level.

Okay, the ranger gets +1 BAB, d8 HD, two good saves... but he gets 6 skill points/level.

Monstrous Humanoids get Darkvision. Otherwise they don't really get anything of consequence. (Anyone who doesn't have those proficiencies anyway probably isn't going to have much use for them.)

Rangers get a truckload of class features, plus spellcasting progression.

So Monstrous Humanoid is still vastly inferior to a PC class level.

It compares nicely to plain Humanoid as a type, but that's only because Humanoid is beaten by everything except levels in Commoner.

So those guys *should* be getting strong stat bonuses, because they're already playing catch-up just in terms of equalling out their racial hit dice with actual character class capabilities, and then most of them have level adjustments on top of that. (And this ignores the fact that, in the long term, fixed stat bonuses fade in power while high-end class abilities (which they're not getting because they're set back several levels by their ECL) grow in power.)

There are one or two bad ones, yes (like the whale). But most of them are pretty much fine as-is rather than being ridiculously overcosted as most ECLed races are.
Sunic_Flames
03-19-07, 05:24 PM Monstrous Humanoid is more of a not-too-bad type.

+1 BAB, d8 HD, two good saves, 2 skill points/level.

Okay, the ranger gets +1 BAB, d8 HD, two good saves... but he gets 6 skill points/level.

Monstrous Humanoids get Darkvision. Otherwise they don't really get anything of consequence. (Anyone who doesn't have those proficiencies anyway probably isn't going to have much use for them.)

Rangers get a truckload of class features, plus spellcasting progression.

So Monstrous Humanoid is still vastly inferior to a PC class level.

It compares nicely to plain Humanoid as a type, but that's only because Humanoid is beaten by everything except levels in Commoner.

So those guys *should* be getting strong stat bonuses, because they're already playing catch-up just in terms of equalling out their racial hit dice with actual character class capabilities, and then most of them have level adjustments on top of that. (And this ignores the fact that, in the long term, fixed stat bonuses fade in power while high-end class abilities (which they're not getting because they're set back several levels by their ECL) grow in power.)

There are one or two bad ones, yes (like the whale). But most of them are pretty much fine as-is rather than being ridiculously overcosted as most ECLed races are.

I agree completely with the above, it's the main reason why I allow UA's LA burnoff rules along with LA 1 and LA 2 races. LAs are specifically designed to be inferior to class levels to favor the PHB races (and any other LA 0 race).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Azar_of_Faerun 03-18-07, 02:41 AM	Anyone have races they can recommend?
Rerecros 03-18-07, 02:43 AM	Shifter (ECS)
cog_n_taz 03-18-07, 09:11 AM	hound archon?:P
FrostWolf 03-18-07, 10:13 AM	Gnoll (hyena) And there are rules for making athrapamorphic* characters. *(Word. Too. Big.... Brain. Melting...)
Romulus LoneWolf 03-18-07, 10:31 AM	The Lupin. Their stats are in Dragon Magazine #325, p85, or in Best of Dragon.
Darth Sephiroth 03-18-07, 11:28 AM	In one of the web enhansements to something on the site has a pretty nice one. Can't remember which one its in though
Fallenangel359 03-18-07, 12:26 PM	could just be an anthropamorphic dog, from savage species
bobothechimp 03-18-07, 02:59 PM	SS anthropomorphic races are some of the most broken, cheesiest things I have ever seen. It's like a whole bag of cheeto's run over by a steamroller.
Angelflesh 03-18-07, 04:08 PM	SS anthropomorphic races are some of the most broken, cheesiest things I have ever seen. It's like a whole bag of cheeto's run over by a steamroller. How are they cheesy?
bobothechimp 03-18-07, 05:09 PM	First, they have absolutely no story or explanation for there existence. They're just there. Second, have you looked at them? Look at the bonuses for their hit dice. Full BAB, good reflex and will saves, and insane ability score bonuses.
Johnny_Angel 03-18-07, 05:21 PM	First, they have absolutely no story or explanation for there existence. They're just there. Second, have you looked at them? Look at the bonuses for their hit dice. Full BAB, good reflex and will saves, and insane ability score bonuses. Like it's any worse than the anthromorphic baleen whale...
Aminvelos 03-18-07, 05:26 PM	Although it's not anthromorphic, it is a dog race. 0 LA Marruspawn, they have fire resistance and hearing so good they can hear a heart beat. Stuff like that. Book-Sandstorm
bobothechimp 03-18-07, 05:44 PM	Like it's any worse than the anthromorphic baleen whale... I was talking about SS anthropomorphic races in general, not a specific race. The baleen whale is definitely the cheesiest of them all.
Neutronium_Dragon 03-18-07, 06:23 PM	The probable reason why there's no reason for their existence is because that's going to vary from campaign to campaign. Maybe a druid sect created them (next stage up from Awakening). Maybe a wizard did. Maybe they evolved naturally, or were created by some animal god. Maybe they're humans who transformed through shapeshifting magic. And it's quite possible that there are multiple origins for the things in a given world (different ones created in different ways). Putting down an "official" origin would just get in the way.
obrysii 03-18-07, 06:26 PM	Hengeyokai (dog) would be an LA +0 race.
Angelflesh 03-18-07, 11:05 PM	Second, have you looked at them? Look at the bonuses for their hit dice. Full BAB, good reflex and will saves, and insane ability score bonuses. Full BAB and good reflex and will saves are traits of the Monstrous Humanoid type which all Anthropomorphic Animals have. So, what you are saying is Monstrous Humanoids are all cheddar cheese monsters that hit all the time, can dodge a bullet, and have unbreakable wills. Do a little research next time on what you are talking about.
bobothechimp 03-18-07, 11:13 PM	Can you read what I type? Monstrous humanoid is a good type, and that is part of the reason they are broken. The INSANE ABILITY SCORE BONUSES are the main reason.
Angelflesh 03-19-07, 12:22 AM	And what type would you grant an Anthropomorphic Animal? They seem pretty "monstrous" to me.
obrysii 03-19-07, 08:26 AM	Do a little research next time on what you are talking about. You know, you really don't have to be so angry at everyone all the time. Try not being so rude--it might help.
Seldriss 03-19-07, 09:26 AM	I would recommend the Lupin. You can find them in Dragon Compendium. Very nice race, created originally on Mystara, but easy to adapt to any other world. Despite their name, lupins are not necessary wolf-like (lupus = wolf in latin, loup = wolf in french), some have a fox appearance, some other a dog appearance. And if you don't like their background history with/against werewolves, you (or your DM) can link them to gnolls instead, or even hound archons if you want something more planar, then becoming a little aasimarish ;)
Neutronium_Dragon 03-19-07, 10:00 AM	Monstrous Humanoid is more of a not-too-bad type. +1 BAB, d8 HD, two good saves, 2 skill points/level. Okay, the ranger gets +1 BAB, d8 HD, two good saves... but he gets 6 skill points/level. Monstrous Humanoids get Darkvision. Otherwise they don't really get anything of consequence. (Anyone who doesn't have those proficiencies anyway probably isn't going to have much use for them.) Rangers get a truckload of class features, plus spellcasting progression. So Monstrous Humanoid is still vastly inferior to a PC class level. It compares nicely to plain Humanoid as a type, but that's only because Humanoid is beaten by everything except levels in Commoner. So those guys should be getting strong stat bonuses, because they're already playing catch-up just in terms of equalling out their racial hit dice with actual character class capabilities, and then most of them have level adjustments on top of that. (And this ignores the fact that, in the long term, fixed stat bonuses fade in power while high-end class abilities (which they're not getting because they're set back several levels by their ECL) grow in power.) There are one or two bad ones, yes (like the whale). But most of them are pretty much fine as-is rather than being ridiculously overcosted as most ECLed races are.
Sunic_Flames 03-19-07, 05:24 PM	Monstrous Humanoid is more of a not-too-bad type. +1 BAB, d8 HD, two good saves, 2 skill points/level. Okay, the ranger gets +1 BAB, d8 HD, two good saves... but he gets 6 skill points/level. Monstrous Humanoids get Darkvision. Otherwise they don't really get anything of consequence. (Anyone who doesn't have those proficiencies anyway probably isn't going to have much use for them.) Rangers get a truckload of class features, plus spellcasting progression. So Monstrous Humanoid is still vastly inferior to a PC class level. It compares nicely to plain Humanoid as a type, but that's only because Humanoid is beaten by everything except levels in Commoner. So those guys should be getting strong stat bonuses, because they're already playing catch-up just in terms of equalling out their racial hit dice with actual character class capabilities, and then most of them have level adjustments on top of that. (And this ignores the fact that, in the long term, fixed stat bonuses fade in power while high-end class abilities (which they're not getting because they're set back several levels by their ECL) grow in power.) There are one or two bad ones, yes (like the whale). But most of them are pretty much fine as-is rather than being ridiculously overcosted as most ECLed races are. I agree completely with the above, it's the main reason why I allow UA's LA burnoff rules along with LA 1 and LA 2 races. LAs are specifically designed to be inferior to class levels to favor the PHB races (and any other LA 0 race).