Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Voldar_Mecorthio 03-20-07, 09:43 PM	Think about it: A random demon mates with a human slave in his tower of doom on the abyss. This child is forced to be a soldier, and mates with an elf the demonic army captured and gave him as a reward. That child (1/4 fiend) should be a tiefiing, if not then have the same "mate with a mortal on the Abyss" thing happen a few more times. In any case, the point is what happens when a tiefling is born on the outer planes? Tieflings are native outsiders, meaning they are native to the material plane. What happens when they aren't? By the rules, banishment would "banish" this grandson of a fiend to the material plane, even though he's never been there in his life. How would you say this works?
princeofcincinnati 03-20-07, 09:51 PM	tieflings, no matter where they are born are native outsiders due to thier mortal blood.
Thomar_of_Uointer 03-20-07, 11:05 PM	That's dealt with using the Extraplanar subtype. Even humans are extraplanar when they're not on the Prime. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#extraplanarSubtype Now, the exact definition of "home" plane is a bit iffy. That's really up to the DM, but in this case it's the abyss.
mythSSK 03-21-07, 08:11 AM	Think about it: A random demon mates with a human slave in his tower of doom on the abyss. This child is forced to be a soldier, and mates with an elf the demonic army captured and gave him as a reward. That child (1/4 fiend) should be a tiefiing, if not then have the same "mate with a mortal on the Abyss" thing happen a few more times. In any case, the point is what happens when a tiefling is born on the outer planes? Tieflings are native outsiders, meaning they are native to the material plane. What happens when they aren't? By the rules, banishment would "banish" this grandson of a fiend to the material plane, even though he's never been there in his life. How would you say this works?You're slightly misinterpretting the rules here, and it's not your fault, the Native subtpye is confusing. It should probably be called the Mortal subtype instead. --- Basically: You are considered a native to the plane you are born on. Regardless of type or subtype. Regardless of your parents types or subtypes. Outsiders with the Native subtype are not necessarily born on the Material Plane. They just function slightly differently to regular outsiders. The Native subtype does not mean native to the material plane. When you are on any plane but your home plane (the one you were born on), you have the Extraplanar subtype. --- Thus, a tiefling born in the Abyss is native to the Abyss, and his type is Outsider (Native) while there. He gains the Extraplanar subtype while on the Material Plane as normal.
Jackmojo 03-21-07, 10:50 AM	The relevant difference of the Native subtype is the dual nature of the individual (i.e. body/soul duality) which is what is required for normal raise dead type spells. Additionally of course since they're not true outsiders they need food and sleep. Jack
Dradjeel 03-21-07, 03:23 PM	Thus, a tiefling born in the Abyss is native to the Abyss, and his type is Outsider (Native) while there. He gains the Extraplanar subtype while on the Material Plane as normal. His type is Outsider (Native) everywhere he goes, the Extraplanar subtype is added to that when he leaves his home plane. You can't lose the Native subtype.
Jaxgaret 03-21-07, 05:35 PM	Thus, a tiefling born in the Abyss is native to the Abyss, and his type is Outsider (Native) while there. He gains the Extraplanar subtype while on the Material Plane as normal. His type is Outsider (Native) everywhere he goes, the Extraplanar subtype is added to that when he leaves his home plane. You can't lose the Native subtype. Dradjeel, are you serious? Reading comprehension > posting without thought
mythSSK 03-21-07, 06:46 PM	His type is Outsider (Native) everywhere he goes, the Extraplanar subtype is added to that when he leaves his home plane. You can't lose the Native subtype.I never implied he lost it.