What playable lvl adj +5 races are there? [Archive] - Wizards Community

What playable lvl adj +5 races are there? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Thoom
04-05-07, 11:05 AM Curious
WinterPsionic
04-05-07, 11:46 AM Just about anything not a template assuming you mean actual level adjustment and not just the "Level Adjustment" mentioned in the article(ie. LA + HD=Total Adjustment)
Argaud
04-05-07, 11:52 AM Ogre half-dragon.

+18 strength, natural flight, +9 NA, reach, good skills all around...

Few hit points, though, so watch out the first levels!
IbanezNinja
04-05-07, 11:52 AM none
Romtos
04-05-07, 12:21 PM Pixie Rogue, and add another +1 template on it.
Fallenangel359
04-05-07, 12:21 PM ghostly templates work, if you can get your mandibles on some +1 ghost touch gauntlets so you can actually manipulate objects on the material plane
Narris
04-05-07, 12:36 PM Athach
http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11991712&postcount=3

Bralani
http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11991798&postcount=4
Steely_Dan
04-05-07, 12:39 PM Pixie Rogue, and add another +1 template on it.

...Feral?
Thoom
04-05-07, 01:15 PM Just about anything not a template assuming you mean actual level adjustment and not just the "Level Adjustment" mentioned in the article(ie. LA + HD=Total Adjustment)

Yeah sorry it would be either a player race, template or LA +HD.
The_Shaman
04-05-07, 01:38 PM Well, the Lammasu and the Bralani eladrin look like they could be possible... The Lammasu brings in the inbuilt casting of a lvl 7 cleric, so it can compensate somewhat. Has anyone tried playing a drider btw? 6 HD, LA +4 and 6 levels of full caster don't sound that bad. OTOH, the aberration subtype has some drawbacks as well as strengths.

For a more martial class, I'm wondering about half-dragon centaurs/minotaurs or trolls. With their con, troll barbarians are probably quite something. Treants seem to be an interesting choice if you want to go for grappling, imo.
WinterPsionic
04-05-07, 02:45 PM A Were creature of just about any Dire or Large animal would be LA 5 and above...(A Natural Werewolf is ECL +5)
MagicMouth
04-05-07, 03:38 PM The Unholy Scion template from Heroes of Horror. I WANT.
smeagol_lied
04-05-07, 03:50 PM Nothing. With +5 LA, you lose 5 levels, so you lose 5 levels worth of hitpoints.
Argaud
04-05-07, 03:58 PM Pixie Rogue, and add another +1 template on it.
Mineral Warrior Pixie!
Khadmus
04-07-07, 07:47 AM mineral warrior: +4 con. 'Tis good. The Damage reduction doesn't hurt either.
Garonak
04-07-07, 09:00 AM Draconic Winged (MM2) Drow
Or Draconic Half Celestial/Fiend

Of course if you want to up it a bit:
Monster of Legends:
Fast Healing 5, Permanent Haste, +10 in str, con, +6 in dex, DR, Energy res, Immunities, Spell like abilities, +3 on all saves, breath weapon, and so on and so on
LA: +7
MM2
EternalWizard
04-09-07, 08:50 AM there is also the Coure Eladrin (tiny) from Book Of Exalted Deeds

-4 Str, +14 Dex, +2 Con, +2 Int, +4 Cha
Fly Speed 60 (perfect)
immunities and resistances
+4 Natural Armor and Magic Circle Against Evil always on
nice spell-like abilities and a really nice alternate form
bonus to hide and move silently

All these for +5 LA and 2 Outsider HD
Kolbane_Ferretmaster
04-13-07, 09:45 AM Somewhere else on the boards someone mentioned a +5 L.A sylphs that was allegedly one of te most playable monster races...
OgreMonk
04-13-07, 09:51 AM Doesn't Mineral Warrior remove flight from the templated creature?
A grounded pixie would suck.....
YabaTheWhat
04-13-07, 10:36 AM Somewhere else on the boards someone mentioned a +5 L.A sylphs that was allegedly one of te most playable monster races... The sylph (MM2, updated to v3.5 in a PDF available on the Wizards main site) has 3 outsider hit dice and LA+5. It comes out with all the casting power and roughly the same hitpoints and overall benefits as a standard 7th-level sorcerer, plus flight, improved invisibility at will, spell resistance, and a 1/day summon monster VII. Taking additional sylph (outsider) hitdice raises its caster level as a sorcerer, making it better than taking sorcerer levels (until their racial HD cap out at 9, making them ECL 14). While numerous races with similar level adjustments are playable, few if any are playable as spellcasters.
runestar
04-13-07, 10:41 AM Technically, the rules do allow monster to advance in racial HD well beyond their stipulated advancement table guidelines. As such, it is not impossible for a sylph to just keep taking outsider HD according to your campaign needs, long after it has reach the supposed max of 9 racial HD.:)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Thoom 04-05-07, 11:05 AM	Curious
WinterPsionic 04-05-07, 11:46 AM	Just about anything not a template assuming you mean actual level adjustment and not just the "Level Adjustment" mentioned in the article(ie. LA + HD=Total Adjustment)
Argaud 04-05-07, 11:52 AM	Ogre half-dragon. +18 strength, natural flight, +9 NA, reach, good skills all around... Few hit points, though, so watch out the first levels!
IbanezNinja 04-05-07, 11:52 AM	none
Romtos 04-05-07, 12:21 PM	Pixie Rogue, and add another +1 template on it.
Fallenangel359 04-05-07, 12:21 PM	ghostly templates work, if you can get your mandibles on some +1 ghost touch gauntlets so you can actually manipulate objects on the material plane
Narris 04-05-07, 12:36 PM	Athach http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11991712&postcount=3 Bralani http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11991798&postcount=4
Steely_Dan 04-05-07, 12:39 PM	Pixie Rogue, and add another +1 template on it. ...Feral?
Thoom 04-05-07, 01:15 PM	Just about anything not a template assuming you mean actual level adjustment and not just the "Level Adjustment" mentioned in the article(ie. LA + HD=Total Adjustment) Yeah sorry it would be either a player race, template or LA +HD.
The_Shaman 04-05-07, 01:38 PM	Well, the Lammasu and the Bralani eladrin look like they could be possible... The Lammasu brings in the inbuilt casting of a lvl 7 cleric, so it can compensate somewhat. Has anyone tried playing a drider btw? 6 HD, LA +4 and 6 levels of full caster don't sound that bad. OTOH, the aberration subtype has some drawbacks as well as strengths. For a more martial class, I'm wondering about half-dragon centaurs/minotaurs or trolls. With their con, troll barbarians are probably quite something. Treants seem to be an interesting choice if you want to go for grappling, imo.
WinterPsionic 04-05-07, 02:45 PM	A Were creature of just about any Dire or Large animal would be LA 5 and above...(A Natural Werewolf is ECL +5)
MagicMouth 04-05-07, 03:38 PM	The Unholy Scion template from Heroes of Horror. I WANT.
smeagol_lied 04-05-07, 03:50 PM	Nothing. With +5 LA, you lose 5 levels, so you lose 5 levels worth of hitpoints.
Argaud 04-05-07, 03:58 PM	Pixie Rogue, and add another +1 template on it. Mineral Warrior Pixie!
Khadmus 04-07-07, 07:47 AM	mineral warrior: +4 con. 'Tis good. The Damage reduction doesn't hurt either.
Garonak 04-07-07, 09:00 AM	Draconic Winged (MM2) Drow Or Draconic Half Celestial/Fiend Of course if you want to up it a bit: Monster of Legends: Fast Healing 5, Permanent Haste, +10 in str, con, +6 in dex, DR, Energy res, Immunities, Spell like abilities, +3 on all saves, breath weapon, and so on and so on LA: +7 MM2
EternalWizard 04-09-07, 08:50 AM	there is also the Coure Eladrin (tiny) from Book Of Exalted Deeds -4 Str, +14 Dex, +2 Con, +2 Int, +4 Cha Fly Speed 60 (perfect) immunities and resistances +4 Natural Armor and Magic Circle Against Evil always on nice spell-like abilities and a really nice alternate form bonus to hide and move silently All these for +5 LA and 2 Outsider HD
Kolbane_Ferretmaster 04-13-07, 09:45 AM	Somewhere else on the boards someone mentioned a +5 L.A sylphs that was allegedly one of te most playable monster races...
OgreMonk 04-13-07, 09:51 AM	Doesn't Mineral Warrior remove flight from the templated creature? A grounded pixie would suck.....
YabaTheWhat 04-13-07, 10:36 AM	Somewhere else on the boards someone mentioned a +5 L.A sylphs that was allegedly one of te most playable monster races... The sylph (MM2, updated to v3.5 in a PDF available on the Wizards main site) has 3 outsider hit dice and LA+5. It comes out with all the casting power and roughly the same hitpoints and overall benefits as a standard 7th-level sorcerer, plus flight, improved invisibility at will, spell resistance, and a 1/day summon monster VII. Taking additional sylph (outsider) hitdice raises its caster level as a sorcerer, making it better than taking sorcerer levels (until their racial HD cap out at 9, making them ECL 14). While numerous races with similar level adjustments are playable, few if any are playable as spellcasters.
runestar 04-13-07, 10:41 AM	Technically, the rules do allow monster to advance in racial HD well beyond their stipulated advancement table guidelines. As such, it is not impossible for a sylph to just keep taking outsider HD according to your campaign needs, long after it has reach the supposed max of 9 racial HD.:)